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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 13, 2023 19:23:42 GMT -5
If this DOES turn out OK in the end, all it’s gonna do for me is make me wonder how the hell the AEW run went so wrong. That place seemed tailor-made for him to do his thing, and it really came off like that early on, and then it just all went to shit. It was a combo of factors, Punk himself the biggest culprit to blame, but a lot of it was Tony Khan’s odd way of not nipping shit in the bud before it pops of and wanting to mash his cool toys together while trying to please everybody. Also it’s possible what he wanted and what AEW is just was never gonna fit in the long run.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Dec 13, 2023 19:24:47 GMT -5
Punk is great until he faces adversity. See his first six months or so in AEW. When he faces adversity he throws a tantrum. The real test of whether he has changed or not will be how he reacts when things don’t go his way for the first time. Maybe it’ll be a booking decision he hates, a rookie not looking up from his phone during one of Punk’s pep talks, being in the ring with someone who doesn’t work to Punk’s liking, someone finding the CM Dad routine with the nxt women creepy, being on the receiving end of backstage politics or something else entirely.
It might happen tomorrow or one year from now but his big test is when adversity comes knocking as it always does.
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Post by grungesmurf on Dec 13, 2023 19:24:57 GMT -5
Thank you Punk! Thank you Punk!! Thank you Punk!!!
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Post by jm on Dec 13, 2023 19:57:27 GMT -5
My issue with it is the comments like, “Guess the NXT wrestlers are more mature and willing to learn than AEW wrestlers.” There’s a difference between Hangman in 2022 and an Olympian they’re training from scratch. I’ve got issues with Punk being fired in disgrace and getting a heroes welcome and now people are acting like didn’t f*** up and it wasn’t any fault of his. Too much time on the internet today my friends. I need to delete Reddit I think. Redditors have been so annoying about this lol, it seems like every SC thread I check nowadays has a post that's like this I've pretty much unfollowed every single wrestling page on FB I was following. The unhinged derangment of Punk stans pretty much drove me off of every FB wrestling page I was following. I couldn't take it anymore. 2023 has become the year where wrestling discourse has hit rock bottom.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 13, 2023 20:34:53 GMT -5
I remember when his first several months in AEW were happiness, ice cream bars, and shouting out Britt Baker enough times that it led to her getting her own version of the AEW Four Pillars t-shirt. Everything was nice and positive there and Punk seemed genuinely happy until it all started falling apart.
I genuinely hope it sticks this time and for longer but I don't blame anyone for expecting it not to.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 13, 2023 20:45:42 GMT -5
That bump for Punk and Seth reminds me of rating breakdowns from like a decade ago with the huge fluctuations. It would be like "The Miz v Dolph Ziggler lost 680,000 viewers, Big Show v Sheamus gained 440,000 viewers, Melina v Alicia Fox lost 960,000 viewers (even with Ariane switching all her TVs on) and John Cena v Triple H gained 1.1 million." And none of it would ne considered particularly notable compared to today when you can get called a draw or an anti-draw for gaining/losing like 30k viewers which is basically a statistical insignificance in Nielsen terms. I can’t imagine Miz/Ziggler losing that many viewers, let alone Show/Sheamus gaining viewers.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 13, 2023 22:12:38 GMT -5
I know CM Punk hasn't won the United State title yet.
So if he's done hanging around the world title scene and for some reason Logan Paul still has the strap.
Sign me up for a Logan and CM Punk promo battle.
And unlike other wrestlers Punk is up against the mic, I think no matter what he says to Paul, all the fans will be on Punk's side on this one.
This seems to be the only potential promo battle where if Punk buries Paul the fans will all be behind Punk on that one. Should be a fun feud if it happens.
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Post by Perd on Dec 13, 2023 22:44:17 GMT -5
If that media scrum never happens, Punk would probably still be in AEW. The situation with Colt is obviously still a very sore subject. And the scrum saw that situation reared its head in a really public way. In a way that made the operation seem amateurish. And it obviously didn’t sit well with a lot of his co-workers. His return was a ticking timebomb. There was no putting the worms back in the can.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 14, 2023 0:14:09 GMT -5
My issue with it is the comments like, “Guess the NXT wrestlers are more mature and willing to learn than AEW wrestlers.” There’s a difference between Hangman in 2022 and an Olympian they’re training from scratch. I’ve got issues with Punk being fired in disgrace and getting a heroes welcome and now people are acting like didn’t f*** up and it wasn’t any fault of his. Too much time on the internet today my friends. I need to delete Reddit I think. A lot of people come from WWE to AEW, Punk included, and treat it like it's NXT. It's the smaller time place, so many rookies and people who haven't 'made it', so they need to learn and be taught and respect their elders. Punk is going to get the validation he wants from a ton of people who have never touched a major indie before that he wasn't going to get form people who'd been years on the road already and even worked Wrestle Kingdom before. I hate how we're only two weeks in and already the entire situation is being stripped of like all f***ing context and difference. Even when we've had reports saying that Punk decided he was the real star and wasn't going to bow to 'lesser talents' and he didn't respect AEW because they weren't WWE. People are going to take all that off to the side and just act like it's an inherent flaw in AEW and AEW alone that it happened, and completely absolve him of everything unless he blows it in WWE too.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 14, 2023 0:49:15 GMT -5
If this DOES turn out OK in the end, all it’s gonna do for me is make me wonder how the hell the AEW run went so wrong. That place seemed tailor-made for him to do his thing, and it really came off like that early on, and then it just all went to shit. It started off great there as well, but all went to shit because of Punk and him feeling untouchable. People are right that a little bit of blame lies at Tony's feet for not nipping it in the bud and not putting his foot down. But, what's gonna happen when Punk faces adversity in WWE? If he thought Hangman was too stiff, what's gonna happen if he goes against Gunther? What's gonna happen if somebody is more interested in playing Mario Kart at a live event instead of watching every match? He got mad at Jericho and Edge for watching a hockey game, what's gonna happen if he has to team with Cody and Jey against the Judgement Day, and they all do a fast run through and go take care of other stuff because they could do the match in their sleep? But it doesn't matter what happens in WWE, it doesn't change the fact that TK was 100% right to fire Punk.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 14, 2023 1:07:47 GMT -5
If this DOES turn out OK in the end, all it’s gonna do for me is make me wonder how the hell the AEW run went so wrong. That place seemed tailor-made for him to do his thing, and it really came off like that early on, and then it just all went to shit. In Jerichos first book he talked about how he was initially hated the in the WWF locker room. He was telling people “this is how we did it in WCW”. While he was trying to be helpful it came across as condescending to the locker room, including many guys who had been fired by WCW. Reports say that Punk referenced how it was in WWE to people in AEW. The Elite built AEW from the ground up. Built everything by going against mainstream. They all have a ton of experience and success. To them and guys like Mox and Danielson I can see how it would come across poorly. In NXT he is surrounded by people trying to make it where he had been. They want that advice. Totally different circumstance that fits what he wants to do. Edit: not sure if this is how Punk thinks but there are some who believe WWE is the pinnacle of pro wrestling. They can’t conceive people wanting to be in AEW over WWE nor can they understand that not everyone wants that style of wrestling. I’ve seen criticism of AEW saying the problem is that Punk was trying to take them to the next level while The Elites style has a ceiling. My problem with that thinking is that not everyone wants that. It’s like bands who are content at their level and enjoy being creative. It doesn’t mean you aren’t a success.
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Post by Fade on Dec 14, 2023 1:33:38 GMT -5
I know CM Punk hasn't won the United State title yet. So if he's done hanging around the world title scene and for some reason Logan Paul still has the strap. Sign me up for a Logan and CM Punk promo battle. And unlike other wrestlers Punk is up against the mic, I think no matter what he says to Paul, all the fans will be on Punk's side on this one. This seems to be the only potential promo battle where if Punk buries Paul the fans will all be behind Punk on that one. Should be a fun feud if it happens. Call me crazy but I think paul-punk is the closest you’ll get in the WWE to the AEW-MJF-feud.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 14, 2023 4:21:39 GMT -5
I know CM Punk hasn't won the United State title yet. So if he's done hanging around the world title scene and for some reason Logan Paul still has the strap. Sign me up for a Logan and CM Punk promo battle. And unlike other wrestlers Punk is up against the mic, I think no matter what he says to Paul, all the fans will be on Punk's side on this one. This seems to be the only potential promo battle where if Punk buries Paul the fans will all be behind Punk on that one. Should be a fun feud if it happens. Call me crazy but I think paul-punk is the closest you’ll get in the WWE to the AEW-MJF-feud. Damn we must've gotten completely different things out of the MJF feud because I ca'nt see that at all
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 14, 2023 4:35:43 GMT -5
2023 has become the year where wrestling discourse has hit rock bottom.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2023 9:34:21 GMT -5
Meltzer doubled down on their being a meeting between WBD and WWE, and then Mike Johnson just confirmed the details (they met on Monday).
This was what Meltzer said:
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 14, 2023 9:43:12 GMT -5
What's with all this "CM Punk is taking over NXT from HBK!" talk that Cultaholic keeps pushing?
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Post by khali on Dec 14, 2023 9:58:37 GMT -5
In reality I don’t think WBD could possibly have the money to get Raw with how deep in the red they are and the NBA out there.
But this is still concerning.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 14, 2023 10:16:08 GMT -5
What's with all this "CM Punk is taking over NXT from HBK!" talk that Cultaholic keeps pushing? Ibou at WrestlePurists, who is close to Punk or his buddies, was hearing that is Punk's long term goal. He's usually right about stuff related to the guy, which is why you see folks pushing it.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 14, 2023 10:40:38 GMT -5
What's with all this "CM Punk is taking over NXT from HBK!" talk that Cultaholic keeps pushing? Ibou at WrestlePurists, who is close to Punk or his buddies, was hearing that is Punk's long term goal. He's usually right about stuff related to the guy, which is why you see folks pushing it. Punk seems so unsuitable for that role. The odd class, or individually helping certain people sure but not any overarching responsibilities. He doesn't have the right temperament.
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Post by Fade on Dec 14, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I think paul-punk is the closest you’ll get in the WWE to the AEW-MJF-feud. Damn we must've gotten completely different things out of the MJF feud because I ca'nt see that at all Young guy that kind of mirrors Phil. Phil’s an old asshole, Paul’s a young douche. Both controversial. Both pretty great on the stick.
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