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Post by khali on Dec 20, 2023 22:41:40 GMT -5
Still trust Punk more than the Young Bucks and their crew. When do I need to trust any of these people with anything?
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Post by Fade on Dec 20, 2023 22:50:12 GMT -5
Still trust Punk more than the Young Bucks and their crew. When do I need to trust any of these people with anything? This shit’s exhausting man. From all angles. People bring so tribalistic on either side doesn’t help. Starting to get why some just watch the products on tv
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Post by jm on Dec 20, 2023 23:11:08 GMT -5
Oh no... Mr. Women's Rights Punk publicly staning for the guy that has made numerous racist and sexist attacks towards many women. If hypocrisy were a movie screen, Punk is IMAX. Edit: And I just remembered that Punk now has the same lawyer as Cornette. So Punk and Cornette are connected at the hip now. Punk's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Post by jm on Dec 20, 2023 23:19:44 GMT -5
Still trust Punk more than the Young Bucks and their crew. If you trust Punk to act like a petulant child when he doesn't get his way and get into numerous fights with coworkers more than The Elite, then you are right on the money with that assessment.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Dec 20, 2023 23:42:24 GMT -5
Still trust Punk more than the Young Bucks and their crew. Trust any of the people on your television with...
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Post by john84 on Dec 20, 2023 23:43:14 GMT -5
Punk's history of falling out with co-workers wherever he goes has a lot of similarities with my eldest sister. And I don't trust my eldest sister.
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Post by DichEvans on Dec 21, 2023 0:12:21 GMT -5
I really implore people to not obsess with someone they don't like. It will just deteriorate your mental health
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 21, 2023 1:02:20 GMT -5
There goes my last bit of fandom I had for Punk. Used to be one of my favorites. Aligned himself with the person I find to be the biggest cancer/contributor to the toxic culture in wrestling is the last straw. Oddly enough through this whole thing I’ve gained a ton of respect for Cody. Always respected how he left AEW and looking back I have tremendous respect for him and how he handled everything. I really implore people to not obsess with someone they don't like. It will just deteriorate your mental health Not obsessing but along those lines. Was following along because I was a huge fan and hoping for a happy finish to the story. Knowing the fan base who will be more engaged with him now it’s clear I’ll just stay away from any and all things Punk going forward.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 21, 2023 2:02:50 GMT -5
I don’t know if trust Punk more than the Young Bucks on their behavior in WWE.
Just logistically, the Bucks seem unlikely to mess up in that regard.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 21, 2023 10:11:36 GMT -5
My two cents:
I feel like it's easier to make judgment calls on who to support and who not to support based on public actions as opposed to making calls based on their presumed friends.
That's why I totally understand people who don't want to support Punk after Brawl Out. It was a shitty move and even leaving the physical altercation out, his actual words at the press conference did damage. I'm of the mindset that people can change depending on their environment. I liked Punk's stuff in AEW on-screen and as long as he doesn't start causing problems that impact the characters I enjoy watching in WWE, I presume I'll like his WWE stuff. I get why people are just done with him though.
Where I feel like things get weird for me personally, though, is making conclusions on someone's character based on their friends or associates. Yes, it looks like Punk may be friendly with Cornette in that he agrees with his some of his viewpoints on wrestling. He got Ace Steel in touch with Cornette's lawyer, who also seems to have done some good outside of the wrestling world. He's also said he thinks Cornette was a great wrestling mind back in the day. There's been nothing to suggest that Punk's sitting around with him screaming "RIHHHOOOO" and bashing trans kids after making very public displays of support. If that's how we judge folks, then we'd have a very small list of wrestlers to enjoy on a weekly basis.
Just to be clear, I'm not judging people who like Punk less because of the stuff with Cornette. I'm more just trying to put words to a thought I've had when reading this thread and coming to a conclusion on my own personal thoughts on the matter.
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Post by raymondo316 on Dec 21, 2023 10:23:24 GMT -5
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Post by SneakMan on Dec 21, 2023 12:03:47 GMT -5
My two cents: I feel like it's easier to make judgment calls on who to support and who not to support based on public actions as opposed to making calls based on their presumed friends. That's why I totally understand why people who don't want to support Punk after Brawl Out. It was a shitty move and even leaving the physical altercation out, his actual words at the press conference did damage. I'm of the mindset that people can change depending on their environment. I liked Punk's stuff in AEW on-screen and as long as he doesn't start causing problems that impact the characters I enjoy watching in WWE, I presume I'll like his WWE stuff. I get why people are just done with him though. Where I feel like things get weird for me personally, though, is making conclusions on someone's character based on their friends or associates. Yes, it looks like Punk may be friendly with Cornette in that he agrees with his some of his viewpoints on wrestling. He got Ace Steel in touch with Cornette's lawyer, who also seems to have done some good outside of the wrestling world. He's also said he thinks Cornette was a great wrestling mind back in the day. There's been nothing to suggest that Punk's sitting around with him screaming "RIHHHOOOO" and bashing trans kids after making very public displays of support. If that's how we judge folks, then we'd have a very small list of wrestlers to enjoy on a weekly basis. Just to be clear, I'm not judging people who like Punk less because of the stuff with Cornette. I'm more just trying to put words to a thought I've had when reading this thread and coming to a conclusion on my own personal thoughts on the matter. If you (using a general “you” here, not you specifically) are friends with any sort of -phobe or -ist, you’re implicitly condoning their views even if you don’t personally agree with them. You’re basically saying “yes this person is bigoted but their bigotry isn’t enough to dissuade me from being friends with them.” And that, in turn, means your allyship isn’t worth shit.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2023 12:07:38 GMT -5
I still don't really get the "trust" thing.
We're not working in the ring with them, there's nothing for us to have to trust.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 21, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -5
My two cents: I feel like it's easier to make judgment calls on who to support and who not to support based on public actions as opposed to making calls based on their presumed friends. That's why I totally understand why people who don't want to support Punk after Brawl Out. It was a shitty move and even leaving the physical altercation out, his actual words at the press conference did damage. I'm of the mindset that people can change depending on their environment. I liked Punk's stuff in AEW on-screen and as long as he doesn't start causing problems that impact the characters I enjoy watching in WWE, I presume I'll like his WWE stuff. I get why people are just done with him though. Where I feel like things get weird for me personally, though, is making conclusions on someone's character based on their friends or associates. Yes, it looks like Punk may be friendly with Cornette in that he agrees with his some of his viewpoints on wrestling. He got Ace Steel in touch with Cornette's lawyer, who also seems to have done some good outside of the wrestling world. He's also said he thinks Cornette was a great wrestling mind back in the day. There's been nothing to suggest that Punk's sitting around with him screaming "RIHHHOOOO" and bashing trans kids after making very public displays of support. If that's how we judge folks, then we'd have a very small list of wrestlers to enjoy on a weekly basis. Just to be clear, I'm not judging people who like Punk less because of the stuff with Cornette. I'm more just trying to put words to a thought I've had when reading this thread and coming to a conclusion on my own personal thoughts on the matter. If you (using a general “you” here, not you specifically) are friends with any sort of -phobe or -ist, you’re implicitly condoning their views even if you don’t personally agree with them. You’re basically saying “yes this person is bigoted but their bigotry isn’t enough to dissuade me from being friends with them.” And that, in turn, means your allyship isn’t worth shit. Do we know that him and Cornette are “friends” or just that he used a lawyer that also happens to have represented Cornette?
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Post by Fade on Dec 21, 2023 12:42:02 GMT -5
If you (using a general “you” here, not you specifically) are friends with any sort of -phobe or -ist, you’re implicitly condoning their views even if you don’t personally agree with them. You’re basically saying “yes this person is bigoted but their bigotry isn’t enough to dissuade me from being friends with them.” And that, in turn, means your allyship isn’t worth shit. Do we know that him and Cornette are “friends” or just that he used a lawyer that also happens to have represented Cornette? People online are throwing the elite’s friendship with Marty right back at the other side. I really don’t get how people obsess either way. These people play pretend fight. I know it can effect the one way looks at these performers but again, it’s exhausting.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 21, 2023 12:55:02 GMT -5
My thoughts now that I've cooled down from yesterday (I was fuming when I saw that post)
-Giving any kind of positive posting to Cornette in any way in 2023/almost 2024 f***ing SUUUUUUUCKS and shame on Punk for it, it's not the first time he's done this so I shouldn't be surprised but good god it makes me so mad
-FTR Gun even gave the limpest "well we don't agree with EVERYTHING cornette says" defense when they got called for their corny love, which Punk has never bothered to do
-Going "WELL WHAT ABOUT THE ELITE/OTHER WRESTLER, WTESTLERS ARE ALL BAD U KNO" is stupid whataboutism
-I'm trying not to like *obsess* over this but it's not like these are hidden things from his private life, these are posts dude blasts out on his big insta with 1 million followers
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Post by HIM on Dec 21, 2023 13:21:29 GMT -5
If it ain't New Day, Adam Cole or Kenny Omega I don't trust em. I'm only saying this based off their out of the ring gaming side. Cole for example, I'm in that twitch chat each time he streams and he's great to talk to.
At the end of the day these people are entertainers. I treat 99% of em like I do Leonardo Dicaprio.
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Post by Stu on Dec 21, 2023 13:22:46 GMT -5
Lot of you really seem to take things personally. How about taking a breather for a moment and avoid sending this thread into a direction that'll get it locked.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 21, 2023 16:15:33 GMT -5
My two cents: I feel like it's easier to make judgment calls on who to support and who not to support based on public actions as opposed to making calls based on their presumed friends. That's why I totally understand people who don't want to support Punk after Brawl Out. It was a shitty move and even leaving the physical altercation out, his actual words at the press conference did damage. I'm of the mindset that people can change depending on their environment. I liked Punk's stuff in AEW on-screen and as long as he doesn't start causing problems that impact the characters I enjoy watching in WWE, I presume I'll like his WWE stuff. I get why people are just done with him though. Where I feel like things get weird for me personally, though, is making conclusions on someone's character based on their friends or associates. Yes, it looks like Punk may be friendly with Cornette in that he agrees with his some of his viewpoints on wrestling. He got Ace Steel in touch with Cornette's lawyer, who also seems to have done some good outside of the wrestling world. He's also said he thinks Cornette was a great wrestling mind back in the day. There's been nothing to suggest that Punk's sitting around with him screaming "RIHHHOOOO" and bashing trans kids after making very public displays of support. If that's how we judge folks, then we'd have a very small list of wrestlers to enjoy on a weekly basis. Just to be clear, I'm not judging people who like Punk less because of the stuff with Cornette. I'm more just trying to put words to a thought I've had when reading this thread and coming to a conclusion on my own personal thoughts on the matter. It's more than it's one more to the pile of hipocresy. Says he fights for changes ,but throw the guys that actually fought for change ,and increased the quality of work for wrestlers under the bus. Uses a shirt pro SAG strikers but bans the guy that was there every day with the strikers from his show,on the same day. Says WWE is toxic and cancer ,happily goes back " home". Says he wants to be a locker room leader but well..his record speaks. Will happily stand in front of a trans kids sign and buy women Starbucks card but then support the biggest transphobic and sexist in the business,in a prominent position at least One of those is an outlier , this is a pattern, which is why with many he lost the benefit of the doubt. It's more to point out the dude has never ever stood by anything he said and is more than gladly to make everything worse for his sakem
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 21, 2023 17:08:36 GMT -5
Is that Kevin Spacey as his lawyer?
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