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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 27, 2023 5:32:57 GMT -5
I mean besides being straight up hyperbole, you really REALLY can’t compare AEW to late 90s/2000 WCW at all. That shit had Hulk Hogan, Goldberg, Nash, DDP and that was some hot ass nonsense tv. I mean, it's true because no one in AEW is over like Hogan, Goldberg, Nash or DDP ever was. Cody split from WWE and said, "I'm gonna prove I can get over without WWE." He did. Now he's back and about to win their world title. I don't even like Cody, I think he's a mid-card act at his very best, but he's gonna main event WrestleMania regardless of my opinion. Punk said, "I came to AEW because of the respect they showed Brodie Lee and that impressed me" Now, both those guys split AEW and are likely to main event WrestleMania, which is still the upper echelon of wrestling, no matter what you say. From like 1950 to 1991, the Soviet Union used to say, "Yeah, so and so won the Stanley Cup, but we won the World Championship of Hockey, so that's what matters" But everyone knows the Stanley Cup is what matters in hockey. WrestleMania is what lets you know what's up in wrestling. Don’t forget that Jade Cargill, one of AEW’s Home grown talents and clearly a pet project of Tony’s, decided the grass was greener. She may very well have taken a pay cut to work a busier schedule, but she saw WWE as able to take her where AEW couldn’t.
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Post by wankah on Nov 27, 2023 5:34:47 GMT -5
But if Miz would get into a hockey fight, he'd probably be just ducking and covering with no emotions running high.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Nov 27, 2023 5:36:07 GMT -5
If AEW was truly like WCW in this analogy then they would have not fired Punk after scuffling with Jack Perry but also rechristen Collision into: CM Punk Presents: COLLISION (A CM Punk Production.) and bought him a new pony.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 27, 2023 5:37:47 GMT -5
The AEW Punk shirts just saw a jump in sales which I think its kinda funny.
I wonder what sort of deal they have that they are still allowed to sell it.
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Post by jm on Nov 27, 2023 5:40:24 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that WWE was reduced to signing an aging AEW reject like Punk because they couldn't get any of the big stars like Jay White nor Hangman nor Omega nor The Bucks nor especially Ospreay.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 27, 2023 5:44:16 GMT -5
Probably because that would be a rather wacky way of looking at it.
WWE did it because they could, not because they were desperate. Punk needs them a lot more than they need Punk, and if he causes problems again, they can just can him, go "Oh well" and easily carry on.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 27, 2023 6:03:38 GMT -5
I mean, it's true because no one in AEW is over like Hogan, Goldberg, Nash or DDP ever was. Cody split from WWE and said, "I'm gonna prove I can get over without WWE." He did. Now he's back and about to win their world title. I don't even like Cody, I think he's a mid-card act at his very best, but he's gonna main event WrestleMania regardless of my opinion. Punk said, "I came to AEW because of the respect they showed Brodie Lee and that impressed me" Now, both those guys split AEW and are likely to main event WrestleMania, which is still the upper echelon of wrestling, no matter what you say. From like 1950 to 1991, the Soviet Union used to say, "Yeah, so and so won the Stanley Cup, but we won the World Championship of Hockey, so that's what matters" But everyone knows the Stanley Cup is what matters in hockey. WrestleMania is what lets you know what's up in wrestling. Don’t forget that Jade Cargill, one of AEW’s Home grown talents and clearly a pet project of Tony’s, decided the grass was greener. She may very well have taken a pay cut to work a busier schedule, but she saw WWE as able to take her where AEW couldn’t. She adamantly did not take a pay cut. She was offered so much money by WWE that she basically stopped hearing offers from Tony entirely, which likely means they went "We'll offer you a giant pile of money if you sign right now instead of going back for a counter-offer", which WWE did lots of back when AEW was starting up. And once we start getting into ideas that WWE can outspend everyone else but somehow use that to say something about WWE's merits, we run into some very dangerous shit that sounds right out of WWE's revisionism over the '80s.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Nov 27, 2023 6:05:53 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it being discussed, but when Punk showed up at Raw earlier this year, didn't he and Miz bury the hatchet? well haus of wrestling claimed they did, but they framed it in a "everyone backstage fell to their knees crying at the thought of the return of the prodigal once in a millennium talent and all around great guy who never loses his temper at anything and they instantly forgave him of any hypothetical sins he ever may commit" way
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Post by wankah on Nov 27, 2023 6:19:49 GMT -5
Hausman, the true investigative journalist of pro wrestling.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 27, 2023 7:08:56 GMT -5
The AEW Punk shirts just saw a jump in sales which I think its kinda funny. I wonder what sort of deal they have that they are still allowed to sell it. Probably a deal where stuff made of them before going to another company is cool. Like TNA using Punk to promote their video library. They'll be taken down in time.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 27, 2023 7:16:03 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it being discussed, but when Punk showed up at Raw earlier this year, didn't he and Miz bury the hatchet? That's what was said, Miz was probably like "Yeah, whatever", since this whole shit between them seemed very one sided. Punk talked shit on him multiple times, and the worst thing Miz did was a stupid harmless joke. Miz has had a Hall of Fame career, main evented Wrestlemania, worked with multiple celebrities, is a very trusted guy in WWE, has lots of friends, is married to Maryse, has a family, and gets to live a dream life (always at celebrity all star festivities). He ain't got time for a petty real life feud. Oh, their feud, if you wanna call it that, had big time "Look at that bitch over there eating crackers" vibes to it.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Nov 27, 2023 7:23:23 GMT -5
Quite. The match Punk interrupted featured a guy with a DWI to his name and someone previously accused of physical abuse by a former partner. And it was all happening in WWE. So there's really no room for moralising here. Jey's at least a good five years removed from any incidents (y'know, compared to Punk's three months, or exactly one day of work) and pretty much everyone here also loathes JD McDonagh, so I'm not sure what point you think you're making. That the pearl clutching 'so you don't care about assault' is totally asinine when talking about consuming any sport or entertainment product. Watching WWE at all requires overlooking far worse than scuffles between pro wrestlers.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 27, 2023 7:41:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that WWE was reduced to signing an aging AEW reject like Punk because they couldn't get any of the big stars like Jay White nor Hangman nor Omega nor The Bucks nor especially Ospreay. Nah, see, signing Edge meant that AEW is now a "retirement home", while bringing back Orton and Punk means WWE is "the place to be"! ...What do you mean, "we're just uncritically parroting something a source within WWE was trying to spread around as a narrative", that's not very brother-like of you, dude! And yeah, the whole "THIS is what matters in wrestling!" stuff as if wrestling is anything like actual pro sports in determining quality is something straight out of 1986.
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Post by grungesmurf on Nov 27, 2023 7:57:17 GMT -5
Welcome back Punker!!🤗
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Post by stevescorpio on Nov 27, 2023 7:58:17 GMT -5
I personally have no desire to see him on my TV screen again. He ruined all the goodwill he had in the two years he was in AEW.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 27, 2023 7:59:07 GMT -5
The AEW Punk shirts just saw a jump in sales which I think its kinda funny. I wonder what sort of deal they have that they are still allowed to sell it. Probably a deal where stuff made of them before going to another company is cool. Like TNA using Punk to promote their video library. They'll be taken down in time. They’re probably just selling through remaining stock. If you go look at the Best in the World AEW ringer, it’s almost gone in most sizes.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 27, 2023 8:00:27 GMT -5
Don’t forget that Jade Cargill, one of AEW’s Home grown talents and clearly a pet project of Tony’s, decided the grass was greener. She may very well have taken a pay cut to work a busier schedule, but she saw WWE as able to take her where AEW couldn’t. She adamantly did not take a pay cut. She was offered so much money by WWE that she basically stopped hearing offers from Tony entirely, which likely means they went "We'll offer you a giant pile of money if you sign right now instead of going back for a counter-offer", which WWE did lots of back when AEW was starting up. And once we start getting into ideas that WWE can outspend everyone else but somehow use that to say something about WWE's merits, we run into some very dangerous shit that sounds right out of WWE's revisionism over the '80s. Everyone knows WWE can outpay AEW 10x ,not sure why people want to try a different narrative of taking pay cuts. Even if someone prefers WWE,they are not taking a paycute to work there
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 27, 2023 8:01:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that WWE was reduced to signing an aging AEW reject like Punk because they couldn't get any of the big stars like Jay White nor Hangman nor Omega nor The Bucks nor especially Ospreay. Nah, see, signing Edge meant that AEW is now a "retirement home", while bringing back Orton and Punk means WWE is "the place to be"! ...What do you mean, "we're just uncritically parroting something a source within WWE was trying to spread around as a narrative", that's not very brother-like of you, dude! And yeah, the whole "THIS is what matters in wrestling!" stuff as if wrestling is anything like actual pro sports in determining quality is something straight out of 1986. The tribalism is just silly. Copeland is doing good stuff in AEW. People may not like him but I suspect we’ll get good stuff out of Punk. It’s just a good time to like this shit.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 27, 2023 8:05:48 GMT -5
She adamantly did not take a pay cut. She was offered so much money by WWE that she basically stopped hearing offers from Tony entirely, which likely means they went "We'll offer you a giant pile of money if you sign right now instead of going back for a counter-offer", which WWE did lots of back when AEW was starting up. And once we start getting into ideas that WWE can outspend everyone else but somehow use that to say something about WWE's merits, we run into some very dangerous shit that sounds right out of WWE's revisionism over the '80s. Everyone knows WWE can outpay AEW 10x ,not sure why people want to try a different narrative of taking pay cuts. Even if someone prefers WWE,they are not taking a paycute to work there People always go ‘well TK is a billionaire he should be able to pay whatever he wants’ and it’s like, TK is not spending a billion dollars of his money on one singular person like what is the logic dude
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Post by cornettesracket on Nov 27, 2023 8:15:20 GMT -5
What I’ve found most fascinating about this whole thing is that according to Dave Meltzer, Vince wasn’t in the loop on punk returning. That to me is a big deal and shows HHH and nick khan are running the show.
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