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Post by 06vwgti on Nov 27, 2023 19:27:06 GMT -5
bro we brought up QT Marshall and he just f***ing quit TONY YOU'RE HERE NOW MAKE SWERVE CHAMPION YOU FOOL We're getting the nightmare factory entourage for Mania!
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Post by john84 on Nov 27, 2023 19:27:24 GMT -5
Bookmarking that to read later. I wasn't a member back then so it'll be interesting to read.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 27, 2023 19:36:42 GMT -5
Bookmarking that to read later. I wasn't a member back then so it'll be interesting to read. If you want a real wild ride, should see if the AOW podcast with Punk is still around. It broke the internet when that podcast was released.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 27, 2023 19:39:21 GMT -5
it has to be different, you can tell the voice is not the same when "eyesssssssssssss" hits Yeah, I truly wonder if they got Living Color back in the studio just to record this for Punk and WWE. If that's the case, this return had to planned out longer than the last week. No way WWE shells out for a remaster and keep it on the sidelines. No, I think it's the song's 35th anniversary re-recording and the band probably opted for using this master so there's less people they had to share royalties with.
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Post by prettynami on Nov 27, 2023 19:39:57 GMT -5
Hmmm... I stopped watching AEW when he showed up.... Does my intense dislike of him get me to stop watching NXT even though he will never appear on that just because....
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 27, 2023 19:41:10 GMT -5
Do they still have a lot of awful selling and no selling? No one sells in modern professional wrestling, they just don't. AEW works a faster pace than WWE does, I mean I'm sure if someone flipped on Puro they could go crazy about no selling and high spot kickouts etc. Selling? We still have Brock. 🥲
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Post by Fade on Nov 27, 2023 19:44:46 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? Book the absolute best product they can. They’re never going to beat WWE, but all it takes is a few hot angles/and or characters to get ablaze for the optics game to change. Similar to wwe w/ bloodline, sami etc
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 27, 2023 19:48:01 GMT -5
Hmmm... I stopped watching AEW when he showed up.... Does my intense dislike of him get me to stop watching NXT even though he will never appear on that just because.... They'll probably stick him on there next time they have to counter a Tuesday Dynamite, along with I'm guessing Cena, Austin and like a hologram of Bruno giving his endorsement to the next generation of talent.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 27, 2023 19:53:21 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? They don't have to "combat" anything. Guys leave, guys join, no one or two people is going to make or break a company. WWE has WrestleMania, AEW has All In. Is what it is.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 27, 2023 19:58:59 GMT -5
Just finished page 9 and what a surreal read. There's forum posters in there who used to post every day to the point where you feel like they're a regular part of your community and, therefore, life - but then they just leave in 2018 with no explanation. Also, holy shit at all the correct predictions. Nothing yet that's quite on the level of the guy on the old wrestlecrap forum in 2003 predicting the WWE Network in a streaming on-demand form being the company's eventual main focus, but yeah it's pretty wild.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 27, 2023 20:17:47 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? By this point, the stories are just perpetuating themselves. The WWE is white hot because the WE is white hot because the WWE is white hot. AEW is cold because it's cold. All the data-points supposedly leading people to these conclusions are actually cherry-picked or specifically interpreted based on what everyone already thinks. Imagine the general vibes of the two companies were reversed. Punk showing up in the WWE would be seen as a desperate, pathetic catering to a trainwreck; it'd be a victory to AEW. But as things stand, it's almost impossible to have ANYTHING happen to AEW and it feels like a victory. If it doesn't feel like a victory, we don't see it as a victory, so it becomes more evidence AEW's tumbling. Narratives fade and change, so AEW isn't necessarily doomed to have these vibes forever. But the general negativity of the fanbase is a huge part of the problem. A lot of it isn't their fault, with so many toxic anti-Elite anti-fans. But Tony does have a tendency to want to book to the types of fans who would have blue checkmarks, and keeping Punk employed so long was a huge own-goal in terms of souring his own fans. In terms of actual strategies, TK could actually think maybe about trying to grow his audience among the segment of the population where there's lots of room to grow: women. But apparently everyone who owns a wrestling company is, like, legally barred from doing that, so never mind.
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Post by jm on Nov 27, 2023 21:08:53 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? Come on now. AEW retained The Elite (I know you despise them, but bear with me), MJF by all indications; and signed Jay White and Will Ospreay. This bs narrative that all of a sudden WWE is the hot spot to be because of Punk is just that: bs. AEW has signed and kept big names this year. And who knows what will happen next year.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 27, 2023 21:24:03 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? Come on now. AEW retained The Elite (I know you despise them, but bear with me), MJF by all indications; and signed Jay White and Will Ospreay. This bs narrative that all of a sudden WWE is the hot spot to be because of Punk is just that: bs. AEW has signed and kept big names this year. And who knows what will happen next year. Honestly now that I think about it, they picked up Edge who for a good amount of time was #2 or 3 next to Cena for a good while and he had been with wwe for 25 years (on and off), and they will always be known as the company that brought Punk back to pro wrestling. AEW will be fine
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Nov 27, 2023 21:50:55 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? I think you're over reacting. AEW just has to do what they did to gain popularity in the first place: not be WWE Lite. Let the people that want out out, like Andrade, Buddy, Malakai and Danhausen. I also think weirdos that doom and gloom post about AEW need to calm down(pun for upcoming point intended). Like "LOL TK CANT SELL WEMBLEY OUT WITHOUT PUNK SO HES ONLY SETTING UP FOR 50,000 HAHAH", when #1 we are still almost a year out, and now it's come out that Taylor is doing more Eras shows and two are happening around the time of All In, and they've been asked to block off more areas so the stage conversion isn't difficult. Punk was fired from AEW, and all reporting has come out indicating the locker room was okay with it. So this isn't AEW's loss, it was Phil's. His biggest fan gave him the world and all he had to do was behave. But hey, he's got his bag in WWE working for people that will tut-tut his Abortion Shirts. Good for him, hope it lasts longer than three months for his sake.
People forget that when AEW started and was arguably at its hottest, it was the best of the indies, the best Gaijins, top luchadores like Penta and Fenix, etc.
The only real WWE guys in the beginning were Jericho (who is a legend and served the Terry Funk role), Moxley (just released from the WWE and plays a MASSIVELY different character than Dean Ambrose), and Cody (who'd been out of the WWE for quite a while).
To be blunt, I think AEW started to "lose its way", so to speak, when Tony started nabbing every "best of NXT" star that became available.
So, yeah, I agree with your assessment. AEW will be fine, they're just a little bloated right now and could stand to trim the fat and go back to what got them to the dance.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 27, 2023 21:59:16 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? By this point, the stories are just perpetuating themselves. The WWE is white hot because the WE is white hot because the WWE is white hot. AEW is cold because it's cold. All the data-points supposedly leading people to these conclusions are actually cherry-picked or specifically interpreted based on what everyone already thinks. Imagine the general vibes of the two companies were reversed. Punk showing up in the WWE would be seen as a desperate, pathetic catering to a trainwreck; it'd be a victory to AEW. But as things stand, it's almost impossible to have ANYTHING happen to AEW and it feels like a victory. If it doesn't feel like a victory, we don't see it as a victory, so it becomes more evidence AEW's tumbling. Narratives fade and change, so AEW isn't necessarily doomed to have these vibes forever. But the general negativity of the fanbase is a huge part of the problem. A lot of it isn't their fault, with so many toxic anti-Elite anti-fans. But Tony does have a tendency to want to book to the types of fans who would have blue checkmarks, and keeping Punk employed so long was a huge own-goal in terms of souring his own fans. In terms of actual strategies, TK could actually think maybe about trying to grow his audience among the segment of the population where there's lots of room to grow: women. But apparently everyone who owns a wrestling company is, like, legally barred from doing that, so never mind. I've been saying for awhile that I think a lot of people need to accept that talk of what makes a show "hot" or "cold" (beyond pure business metrics, obviously) just feels kind of pointless at this stage; said it in the AEW section, but there are things WWE's doing right now that AEW would likely get pilloried for (absentee champs, repetitive show structure/weekly main events, etc.)...but it's working for WWE, and that's just how it goes sometimes. Current WWE deserves credit for doing something Vince constantly failed at: they got multiple babyfaces over this year, and I think that's contributing a lot to their current hot streak, but it's not like they're having Cody, Sami, et. al. go out there and tear the house down every week/month or having them do much that's particularly fresh story or character-wise, either. But when you're hot, you're hot; all the talk of "this company should do THIS to get hot" seems silly, because, as an example, AEW can't replicate being a long-established company with a built-in "been watching this since childhood" potential fanbase like WWE, nor replicate how many long time or lapsed WWE fans were likely thrilled to see the show is better now than it was under Vince. Plus...yeah, it's pretty clear at this point that WWE is driving a nice chunk of the wrestling media narrative, and they want it out there that "LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING that AEW has a very weird smell and actually picks its nose when no one's looking."
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Nov 27, 2023 22:01:22 GMT -5
69?
Very nice….
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Post by lockedontarget on Nov 27, 2023 22:09:49 GMT -5
I know this is a WWE centered thread and idk if I can ask this, but my main question is... What can AEW even do to combat this at this point. Randy is back, Punk is back and we have Mania dead center in front of us. AEW really has no legs right now and they are punching way way WAY above their weight class. What do yall think? Just continue to be a good show and exist in its own terms instead of being obsessed with beating WWE. They were never going to beat WWE. That doesn’t mean they are or will be a failure. AEW is doing perfectly fine.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 27, 2023 22:38:22 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 27, 2023 23:03:14 GMT -5
Good short promo. Felt something like Bray did when he came back
He addressed the fans as Phil and then jumped into CM Punk mode to drive the promo home
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Nov 27, 2023 23:04:49 GMT -5
alright fellas and ladies, who kissed cm punk on the mouth backstage?
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