neilc
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Post by neilc on Dec 5, 2023 12:13:34 GMT -5
I remember the controversy when Gunther and Kaiser got their current names, but I'm shocked that VKM never went all in. You've got a German, and an Italian in Vinci. Why not add Nakamura or Tozawa and form.....the Axis?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 5, 2023 12:50:53 GMT -5
Someone already tried to do that with Heidenreich as an unfrozen Nazi and Kenzo Suzuki as Hirohito. The former offended Vince so much he stormed out of the room and the latter was dropped pretty much immediately when someone reminded WWE how much money they make in Japan and that Hirohito is still a revered figure in a lot of Japanese society.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Dec 5, 2023 12:51:18 GMT -5
He booked Eric Bischoff making out with his wife and daughter. So, why not go 3-for-3 with Shane?
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Post by WatchersDigitalNetwork on Dec 5, 2023 13:28:28 GMT -5
Probably better than the Ninja crap Tozawa was stuck in.
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 5, 2023 16:18:49 GMT -5
I'm shocked neither Vince ever had a First Blood match between two women and had someone dump one of the competitor's purses out to reveal they had pads or tampons, and for the ref to call for the bell.
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Post by Legion on Dec 5, 2023 16:43:48 GMT -5
Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of.
But never a Nazi.
Except JBL that one time in Germany...
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Post by Venti on Dec 5, 2023 17:06:12 GMT -5
Considering Vince's reputation for being topical and with the times, and never using outdated references(sarcasm) WW2 references would be right in his wheelhouse.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Dec 5, 2023 17:37:14 GMT -5
Hirohito is still a revered figure in a lot of Japanese society. It’s not so much that Hirohito himself is revered as it is the title of Emperor. The episode of the Simpsons where the family goes to Japan was never dubbed into Japanese (so it’s not on the JP DVD or the JP version of Disney+) and that was entirely because of Homer throwing the Emperor out of a sumo ring.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 5, 2023 23:31:34 GMT -5
Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Vince Sr. had Waldo Von Erich though.
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Dukect
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Post by Dukect on Dec 5, 2023 23:45:51 GMT -5
I remember the controversy when Gunther and Kaiser got their current names, but I'm shocked that VKM never went all in. You've got a German, and an Italian in Vinci. Why not add Nakamura or Tozawa and form.....the Axis? If that would have happened I would have not just stop watching WWE would have stopped watching wrestling period
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Post by Fade on Dec 6, 2023 0:09:51 GMT -5
“How you gonna book a f***ing Nazi?” - Pat Patterson probably
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 6, 2023 0:12:48 GMT -5
Vince took over in what, 1984? It's not like Nazi's were fresh material. He had Soviets and Iranians in the 80's and Slaughter sympathizing with Iraq in 1990 because guess what.....everyone always acts like Vince was 50 years behind the times since birth..
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 6, 2023 7:03:40 GMT -5
Hirohito is still a revered figure in a lot of Japanese society. It’s not so much that Hirohito himself is revered as it is the title of Emperor. The episode of the Simpsons where the family goes to Japan was never dubbed into Japanese (so it’s not on the JP DVD or the JP version of Disney+) and that was entirely because of Homer throwing the Emperor out of a sumo ring. Aah gotcha. I'd heard it the other way but that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clarifying!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 6, 2023 7:04:37 GMT -5
Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Vince Sr. had Waldo Von Erich though. That's Vince Sr. though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 6, 2023 9:48:09 GMT -5
Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Gunther/Walter was always very against Imperium being viewed as a Nazi group.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 6, 2023 10:31:39 GMT -5
He booked Eric Bischoff making out with his wife and daughter. So, why not go 3-for-3 with Shane? The fanfic none of us needed, but all of us deserved I'm shocked neither Vince ever had a First Blood match between two women and had someone dump one of the competitor's purses out to reveal they had pads or tampons, and for the ref to call for the bell. Because that's both gross and kind of clever, rather than just gross Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Except JBL that one time in Germany... And despite hiring several literal nazis!
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Dec 6, 2023 10:37:48 GMT -5
Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Gunther/Walter was always very against Imperium being viewed as a Nazi group. Vince, for all his faults, seems to be 100% anti-Nazi. And that’s great. But all the people around him? Not so sure. To this day I am almost totally confident that whoever came up with the name “Gunther Stark” knew exactly what they were doing and were trying to sneak it in there. Know the worst part? Remember when Swagger was doing that over-the-top “REAL AMERICAN AMERICAN” bit and getting large babyface reactions? Very well may have happened again with an actual Nazi persona.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2023 10:52:15 GMT -5
Gunther/Walter was always very against Imperium being viewed as a Nazi group. Vince, for all his faults, seems to be 100% anti-Nazi. And that’s great. But all the people around him? Not so sure. To this day I am almost totally confident that whoever came up with the name “Gunther Stark” knew exactly what they were doing and were trying to sneak it in there. Maybe, maybe not. While I want to believe "Of course WWE is that stupid and evil!", that'd be approaching the level of "People hide behind 420 being a weed thing when they really get off on reciting Hitler's birthday!".
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Dec 6, 2023 11:39:52 GMT -5
I'm shocked neither Vince ever had a First Blood match between two women and had someone dump one of the competitor's purses out to reveal they had pads or tampons, and for the ref to call for the bell. That's more Russo than McMahon. Vince has never had a Nazi gimmick. He had evil Russians, evil Japanese people, evil Iraqis, evil Arabs, heck any evil generic foreign gimmicks you could think of. But never a Nazi. Gunther/Walter was always very against Imperium being viewed as a Nazi group. When trying to get non-wrestling friends to watch them I describe them as "Imagine if a circus toughman and his mates had mad nostalgia for the Holy Roman Empire". They're not Nazi at all, but between the music, the name, the fancy column graphics and their general vibe and emphasis on things being sacred they don't half feel like the type who attend historical re-enactments on the down low.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 7, 2023 8:22:42 GMT -5
Someone already tried to do that with Heidenreich as an unfrozen Nazi and Kenzo Suzuki as Hirohito. The former offended Vince so much he stormed out of the room and the latter was dropped pretty much immediately when someone reminded WWE how much money they make in Japan and that Hirohito is still a revered figure in a lot of Japanese society. How bad must an idea be if VINCE F'N MCMAHON is offended?
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