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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 19, 2023 3:20:45 GMT -5
I think Edge was Cena’s Frieza, while Punk felt more like his Vegeta. Both were great but I think I liked the Punk feud better
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2023 3:24:16 GMT -5
Edge, without question. Cena vs Edge should have headlined Wrestlemania 22, the two had huge amounts of chemistry and even without the WM match that the two should have had, it's still one of the greatest feuds of all time and didn't have a bunch of 4th wall breaking bullcrap that Punk/Cena had.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Dec 19, 2023 3:24:30 GMT -5
punk's feud has what I consider to be one of the best WWE matches of all time, if not the very best completely. edge however was a much better foil overall and for a longer period of time, classic hero v. villain
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 19, 2023 4:26:33 GMT -5
It's Edge and it's not even close. Edge was Cena's greatest rival, and Edge's greatest rival is Cena.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 19, 2023 6:16:40 GMT -5
The Cena/Punk match is ****** to me even though I don’t rate matches that often, but Edge was a way more appropriate character foil for John.
Punk was more of a bitter Kawada style rival to Cena’s Misawa whereas Edge was a flat out comic book villain.
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Post by Soultastic on Dec 19, 2023 6:41:58 GMT -5
Edge and the fact that they never got a one on one Mania match is criminal.
Damn you, Beeg Show.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2023 6:48:13 GMT -5
Edge and the fact that they never got a one on one Mania match is criminal. Damn you, Beeg Show. Blame Trips, WM22 Should have been Edge taking on Cena at 'mania.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 19, 2023 14:12:18 GMT -5
Edge and the fact that they never got a one on one Mania match is criminal. Damn you, Beeg Show. Blame Trips, WM22 Should have been Edge taking on Cena at 'mania. Honestly, I think HHH vs Cena was the right move. It was a passing of the torch from the previous “Guy” to the next “Guy”. Mania 25 however should of been Cena vs Edge one on one, have no idea why they added the f***ing Big Show lol
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Post by Fade on Dec 19, 2023 14:21:41 GMT -5
Blame Trips, WM22 Should have been Edge taking on Cena at 'mania. Honestly, I think HHH vs Cena was the right move. It was a passing of the torch from the previous “Guy” to the next “Guy”. Mania 25 however should of been Cena vs Edge one on one, have no idea why they added the f***ing Big Show lol They probably felt it’d been done too much. Seemed like it was a similar tactic with Randy/rey/angle and hhh/cena/orton as a way to make it “bigger”. Anyway, Punk/Cena for me.
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Post by tirtefaa on Dec 19, 2023 14:32:06 GMT -5
Short term feud - Punk
Long term rival - Edge
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 19, 2023 17:32:14 GMT -5
Blame Trips, WM22 Should have been Edge taking on Cena at 'mania. Honestly, I think HHH vs Cena was the right move. It was a passing of the torch from the previous “Guy” to the next “Guy”. Edge was white hot after his cash in on Cena, dude was pulling the biggest ratings that Raw had seen in years and while Trips and Cena had chemistry, it couldn't hold a candle to what Edge and Cena had.
And considering that WWE had done Batista vs Trips the year before, it wasn't a "pass the torch" moment, especially when Trips had been the top heel for several years and Cena was a new top face.
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Post by clc on Dec 19, 2023 17:49:44 GMT -5
I think of Orton as Cena's arch nemesis.
Punk was probably the better more memorable feud compared to Edge.
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Post by thegreatnodnarb on Dec 19, 2023 20:10:51 GMT -5
I feel like Punk's rivalry wasn't really with Cena but more with the WWE and it only really lasted from Money in the Bank to Summerslam before he got pivoted off to Nash and Triple H. All his later matches with Cena never felt like real feuds either.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 19, 2023 22:34:48 GMT -5
I feel like Punk's rivalry wasn't really with Cena but more with the WWE and it only really lasted from Money in the Bank to Summerslam before he got pivoted off to Nash and Triple H. All his later matches with Cena never felt like real feuds either. In 2011 it was Punk vs the system (which Cena was the forefront of), in 2012 it was heel Punk who just manipulated the fans into becoming a star (sound familiar) vs Cena who kept his values.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 20, 2023 10:37:40 GMT -5
The rivalry I think Edge was better. But I think the individual peaks of the Punk rivalry were better.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 20, 2023 11:18:38 GMT -5
Punk is to Cena what I think Rock and Austin are to each other. In that they had such iconic matches like WMX7 or MITB 11 a lot of people will have it as their favorite but in terms of actual rivalry I don't think it's their number one.
Austin-Rock in 99 was more about Austin v Vince. The PPV goes off the air with Austin standing over Vince, Rock was just the heel he had to beat to upstage his real target. In 2001 it had the dumb Vince making Debra manage Rock stuff and was more about Austin needing to get the title back after returning from his broken neck, it wasn't particularly about Rock. In 2003 Austin spent most of the build feuding with Bischoff and Rock spent most of his energy on comedy concerts or segments with Hurricane.
Austin-Rock never felt like as much of a personal rivalry as Rock-HHH or Austin-Bret. Just like I don't think it felt like Cena-Punk hated each other the way Cena-Edge did. Punk actually says so in his most famous promo. "I don't even dislike you, John." Compared to Edge who had that one promo ahead of their final big match in 2009 when he's enraged and like, "I HATE you, John. I hate everything about you. I hate your fans. I hate your shirts, your hats, etc."
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 20, 2023 12:12:55 GMT -5
Punk is like Cena's 3rd-5th rival honestly.
Edge and Orton for sure are over Punk. Lesnar, Miz and maybe the Rock are next on the list. And that's ignoring all his good early work with Big Show and HHH. And I kinda forgot about his stuff with AJ but I'd put Punk over that.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 20, 2023 12:18:22 GMT -5
It's definitely Edge.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 20, 2023 13:25:25 GMT -5
Punk vs Cena had the best match, but the overall rivalry with Edge was much better. Punk's feud with Cena felt more like he was feuding against the WWE with Cena as its proxy.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 20, 2023 16:05:15 GMT -5
Austin-Rock never felt like as much of a personal rivalry as Rock-HHH or Austin-Bret. Just like I don't think it felt like Cena-Punk hated each other the way Cena-Edge did. Punk actually says so in his most famous promo. "I don't even dislike you, John." Compared to Edge who had that one promo ahead of their final big match in 2009 when he's enraged and like, "I HATE you, John. I hate everything about you. I hate your fans. I hate your shirts, your hats, etc." Batista - Cena in 2010 felt far more personal too, with Batista trying to run John over and Cena putting Big Dave in a wheelchair. JBL - Cena too, with that bloodsoaked I Quit match, and Cena taking on the Wyatt Family in 2014. Even Dolph Ziggler vs Cena felt more personal than the Punk - Cena feud of 2012-13.
For Punk, his feud with Jeff Hardy felt like the definative feud than the one with Cena.
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