The female babyfaces

[Totorob101]

Why are they so lame? Bar Becky and Bianca the face side is filled with losers and unlikable people while we all love Rhea,Damage Control,Piper and Chelsea and so on.
The likes of Shayna, Zoe and Ivy have no rapport with the fans and all need heel turning asap, Candace,Indi,Michin and Zelena are losers while Kayden and Katana are unlikable and not over. Even in Nxt the heel women are more popular then any of the faces. Do women simply make better villains or is it hard to make good faces these days?

[Deleted]

It is a combination of things and not any one thing IMO.

Like some may be just miscast in their role.

Heels tend have just a bit more freedom creatively.

WWE faces tend to be very stereotypical.

Just horrible booking in general...like Candice Le Rae can be amazing under dog wont die babyface but she does nothing but get used as squash fodder.

Bianca is and has always been IMO miscast ...she is clearly a heel mascarding as a babyface the entire EST schtick is a complete narcissistic gimmick.

[darbus alan]

I like a few of the face women in NXT like Lyra and Roxanne. I've also been really digging Jacy in her kinda face-ish role lately.

[CMWaters]

Dec 21, 2023 11:33:42 GMT -5 darbus alan said:

I like a few of the face women in NXT like Lyra and Roxanne. I've also been really digging Jacy in her kinda face-ish role lately.

I'd add Fallon Henley to that group too. Could see her being to WWE something like a newer era "Hardcore Country" Mickie James if/when called up to the main roster.

[seb851]

Dec 21, 2023 9:38:53 GMT -5 Totorob101 said:

Why are they so lame? Bar Becky and Bianca the face side is filled with losers and unlikable people while we all love Rhea,Damage Control,Piper and Chelsea and so on.
The likes of Shayna, Zoe and Ivy have no rapport with the fans and all need heel turning asap, Candace,Indi,Michin and Zelena are losers while Kayden and Katana are unlikable and not over. Even in Nxt the heel women are more popular then any of the faces. Do women simply make better villains or is it hard to make good faces these days?

Piper is no over
Green have zero reaction during a match

Katana and Kayen is unlikable and not ober? Sorry bozzo ? Is propably one rare call up nxt get some reaction ...

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I feel like faces get over and develop through a long arc as they work their way up the card and I feel like Rhea holding one title while the other one has either been Bianca (an established act at the top of the card) or a heel has made that hard for anyone trying to work their way up. It's why Lyra has been able to elevate herself a bit in NXT as she had some natural progression to where she is today.

[Mozenrath]

Bayley is probably going to be a good face, if only since it's been so goddamn long since they've let her do it.

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Dec 21, 2023 11:52:19 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Bayley is probably going to be a good face, if only since it's been so goddamn long since they've let her do it.

All of Dmg Cntrl are gonna be stellar babyfaces when they are allowed to turn because these are women the crowd wants to cheer.

KAIRI is literally the most babyface woman on this roster just waiting to actually be allowed to be a babyface again.

[clc]

Even Becky and Bianca are just heels that get cheered:
Becky is a bully. Her character is basically that she basically goes around picking fights. Even her feud right now is with Nia. She's mad Nia broke her nose when she lead an invasion to attack the Raw women. Nia is not exactly a face though, so people side with Becky.
Bianca is a Zapp Brannigan level narcissist. Or to use a real life person, she's Floyd Mayweather. If you knew someone that full of themselves in real life, you'd probably hate them. Earlier on in her main roster run, she did a promo about how growing up people did not believe in her...that was her best face promo ever, it made her endearing. Ever since, it's just "I'm the EST".

But it's that little edge that at least gives them character. It's why Batman is more popular than Superman.

I think Shayna has a bit of that too. She's got that little mean streak that could make her an interesting face. Shayna was let down by booking.
If booking continually tells you not to care about someone, you stop caring about them. With the women it's worse, because they barely get the opportunity to get themselves over. They don't get long segments, unless it involves the 4 prioritized women. The problem is the women's division is 4 people they care about, a mid card that consist solely of Asuka (and it looks like Nia is the new Raw mid carder), and the rest are jobbers to make the chosen 4 look good. If they are lucky, those jobbers get thrown together in a random tag team. If they are unlucky they sit in catering for weeks. Either way though, there's little chance for them to show anything.

[Friday Night SmackOwn]

Dec 21, 2023 11:52:19 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Bayley is probably going to be a good face, if only since it's been so goddamn long since they've let her do it.

I do hope they give her a true redemption arc and not just have her suddenly be a good girl.

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Dec 21, 2023 12:32:57 GMT -5 Friday Night SmackOwn said:

Dec 21, 2023 11:52:19 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Bayley is probably going to be a good face, if only since it's been so goddamn long since they've let her do it.

I do hope they give her a true redemption arc and not just have her suddenly be a good girl.

And this is my fear about turning her babyface.

Because it feels like WWE is just gonna have Dmg Cntrl turn on her but...why would anyone sympathize with her? she has been a shit head to like every woman on this roster for many years...she needs a long long redemption arc ..like when they turn on her no one should be coming to save her for months because she alienated everyone around her but WWE is absoloutley gonna rush it and someone like Bianca is just gonna be like...oh yea we hated eachother but see I hate them more and suddenly are friends which IMO would completely undermine a long term Bayley redemption arc.

Hell right now the rest of Dmg Cntrl would be the ones better turned babyfaces because Bayley has been the one claiming all of their success is because of her and still shit talking everyone including the fans.

[clc]

To turn Bayley face, Kai and the Joshis will have to beat her down so bad, that it's like inhumane to let it continue. (They'd have to set it up somehow where security can't stop them too. A tricky task, but not impossible)

If they can get Sahsha back, she's the ideal person to come rescue Bayley. Otherwise, Becky or Charlotte would do. Charlotte would work, because although she's often a heel, she's never been an "evil" character. Just arrogant. (I know she's out for now)

Here's a wildard character that could believably side with Bayley. Nikki Cross. Nikki is such a mentally erratic personality you can't make any sense of what goes on in her brain. Heck, she could dip into a phone booth, change and rescue Bayley as Nikki ASH, and it would not seem all that out of character. (The added joke of there being a phone booth around)

Or, you can have one of Damage CTRL side with Bayley, in a "We've gone too" far moment. Similar to Sami leaving the Bloodline.

[CMWaters]

Dec 21, 2023 14:02:34 GMT -5 clc said:

To turn Bayley face, Kai and the Joshis will have to beat her down so bad, that it's like inhumane to let it continue. (They'd have to set it up somehow where security can't stop them too. A tricky task, but not impossible)

If they can get Sahsha back, she's the ideal person to come rescue Bayley. Otherwise, Becky or Charlotte would do. Charlotte would work, because although she's often a heel, she's never been an "evil" character. Just arrogant. (I know she's out for now)

Here's a wildard character that could believably side with Bayley. Nikki Cross. Nikki is such a mentally erratic personality you can't make any sense of what goes on in her brain. Heck, she could dip into a phone booth, change and rescue Bayley as Nikki ASH, and it would not seem all that out of character. (The added joke of there being a phone booth around)

Or, you can have one of Damage CTRL side with Bayley, in a "We've gone too" far moment. Similar to Sami leaving the Bloodline.

Slight joke answer: Izzy comes out to save Bayley.

I mean, Dominik Mysterio's in-ring career came from helping his dad, why not Izzy's WWE career helping her hero?

[PKO]

Having a “good babyface” has been a problem pretty much since I started watching wrestling. It’s a balancing act between not wanting to be a lame goody-too-shoes and not having too much of an attitude/edge that you come off heelish. It’s much easier to be a successful heel, and a pattern in WWE for the past decade+ has been to build up a heel then turn them babyface by just taking away a few attributes.

But beyond that there is a huge divide in the women’s division, and the lower card ladies just haven’t been given anything for the fans to connect with. As a RAW viewer, have I been given any reason to care about Candice and Indi? No. As a Smackdown viewer do I see enough of Michin to be excited to see her? No. The key to success in wrestling is time and effort, and neither are being given to a lot of the women.

I actually think they’ve done a decent job with Katana and Kayden by just letting them go out there and show off some cool moves that make the fans pop. After enough exposure Raquel now gets good reactions from the crowd, and same with Shotzi who benefited from the story with Damage CTRL. They just need to spread that around a bit more.

[Mid-Carder]

They desperately need a women's mid card title more than they need two "world" titles. Someone like Liv Morgan has no business holding the same title as the likes of Becky, Ronda, Charlotte, Asuka, Sasha and Bianca and there's a reason she never main evented with it. But she could have had a good mid card title reign which would thus showcase other women who can't get a look in.

Candice Le Rae would have an amazing women's IC reign as a plucky baby face champion.

[KingPooper]

I think Roxanne Perez would be over like crazy, but being 22 years old theres no reason to call her up so soon.

[gl83]

Dec 21, 2023 12:40:10 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Dec 21, 2023 12:32:57 GMT -5 Friday Night SmackOwn said:

I do hope they give her a true redemption arc and not just have her suddenly be a good girl.

And this is my fear about turning her babyface.

Because it feels like WWE is just gonna have Dmg Cntrl turn on her but...why would anyone sympathize with her? she has been a shit head to like every woman on this roster for many years...she needs a long long redemption arc ..like when they turn on her no one should be coming to save her for months because she alienated everyone around her but WWE is absoloutley gonna rush it and someone like Bianca is just gonna be like...oh yea we hated eachother but see I hate them more and suddenly are friends which IMO would completely undermine a long term Bayley redemption arc.

Hell right now the rest of Dmg Cntrl would be the ones better turned babyfaces because Bayley has been the one claiming all of their success is because of her and still shit talking everyone including the fans.

It seemed like they were heading in that direction after Crown Jewel with how “out of the loop” and isolated Bayley was. They were doing a good job building sympathy with how alone and abandoned she was within the group. Then last week they had her out there talking and taking credit for taking out Charlotte, like the past 2 months never happened.

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Dec 22, 2023 12:31:40 GMT -5 gl83 said:

Dec 21, 2023 12:40:10 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

And this is my fear about turning her babyface.

Because it feels like WWE is just gonna have Dmg Cntrl turn on her but...why would anyone sympathize with her? she has been a shit head to like every woman on this roster for many years...she needs a long long redemption arc ..like when they turn on her no one should be coming to save her for months because she alienated everyone around her but WWE is absoloutley gonna rush it and someone like Bianca is just gonna be like...oh yea we hated eachother but see I hate them more and suddenly are friends which IMO would completely undermine a long term Bayley redemption arc.

Hell right now the rest of Dmg Cntrl would be the ones better turned babyfaces because Bayley has been the one claiming all of their success is because of her and still shit talking everyone including the fans.

It seemed like they were heading in that direction after Crown Jewel with how “out of the loop” and isolated Bayley was. They were doing a good job building sympathy with how alone and abandoned she was within the group. Then last week they had her out there talking and taking credit for taking out Charlotte, like the past 2 months never happened.

I have said it a few times and I am almost sure of it at this point there is some tug of war going on with this entire thing within creative because every few weeks it feels like we swing from an inevitable break up to them being completely united and the problems no longer exsist within the group and they double back down on Bayley being full blown obonoxious as hell heel who dervives no sympathy but then few weeks later it swings back the other way and all of a sudden it is....ohhh do they turn on her now and we have just been on this endless cycle.

Like I saw a theory that was interesting and it was about how maybe this isn't so much a Dmg Cntrl break up or the Joshi's Vs Bayley...but maybe more of a Dakota Vs Bayley feud brewing.

Bayley literally called Dakota the mastermind lastweek...so what if Dakota has been trying to get the Joshi's to turn on Bayley...but in the end they end up turning on Dakota instead.

[gl83]

Dec 22, 2023 12:45:28 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Dec 22, 2023 12:31:40 GMT -5 gl83 said:

It seemed like they were heading in that direction after Crown Jewel with how “out of the loop” and isolated Bayley was. They were doing a good job building sympathy with how alone and abandoned she was within the group. Then last week they had her out there talking and taking credit for taking out Charlotte, like the past 2 months never happened.

I have said it a few times and I am almost sure of it at this point there is some tug of war going on with this entire thing within creative because every few weeks it feels like we swing from an inevitable break up to them being completely united and the problems no longer exsist within the group and they double back down on Bayley being full blown obonoxious as hell heel who dervives no sympathy but then few weeks later it swings back the other way and all of a sudden it is....ohhh do they turn on her now and we have just been on this endless cycle.

Like I saw a theory that was interesting and it was about how maybe this isn't so much a Dmg Cntrl break up or the Joshi's Vs Bayley...but maybe more of a Dakota Vs Bayley feud brewing.

Bayley literally called Dakota the mastermind lastweek...so what if Dakota has been trying to get the Joshi's to turn on Bayley...but in the end they end up turning on Dakota instead.

Wouldn’t make sense since a couple weeks ago they were portraying Dakota as the only one who was sympathetic and concerned for Bayley, while IYO was acting all belligerent and pushing Bayley further away.

[lildude8218]

Natalya is the reason for everything. There's no time to explain!