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Post by dbsot on Apr 11, 2024 12:33:58 GMT -5
If Mercedes is going to stay as a face, she is going to need to find a different promo style. Her mannerism and speech come off too fake (even by wrestling standards). She talks like a PR team is standing behind the camera with a gun. I know she is great at branding and all that, but wrestling fans want some level of real vulnerability and authenticity. On the other hand, if she goes heel, then by all means keep going. Her promos have a hint of condescension, so lean into that. I saw someone mention it took edge some time to get used to the non wwe style ways of doing promos. I wonder if something similar is at play for her It could be, but she actually had an Omega-esque style that she used in Japan. If she goes heel, I would like to see her use that again.
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Post by HIM on Apr 11, 2024 12:40:03 GMT -5
She just might not be great at talking because even during the Thunderdome era she wasn't good. Besides that she was working with great talkers like Becky and she still couldn't do well. It's cool, she doesn't need to be cutting S+ promos to be dope. But she's been doing this at a prime level for over 10 years now. If she ain't get it yet then we might be seeing her ceiling in it.
After thinking about it, it might be her character. She's been the same character since her NXT days. Maybe if she switched characters she'd switch her promo style up.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 11, 2024 12:47:43 GMT -5
She just might not be great at talking because even during the Thunderdome era she wasn't good. Besides that she was working with great talkers like Becky and she still couldn't do well. It's cool, she doesn't need to be cutting S+ promos to be dope. But she's been doing this at a prime level for over 10 years now. If she ain't get yet then we might be seeing her ceiling in it. After thinking about it, it might be her character. She's been the same character since her NXT days. Maybe if she switched characters she'd switch her promo style up. She was at her best character and promo wise when she and Bayley were burying......I mean....."carrying" the division during the pandemic era
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 11, 2024 13:07:31 GMT -5
I saw someone mention it took edge some time to get used to the non wwe style ways of doing promos. I wonder if something similar is at play for her It could be, but she actually had an Omega-esque style that she used in Japan. If she goes heel, I would like to see her use that again. I'm having severe trouble hearing Mercedes doing a Norio Wakamoto impression like Kenny did.
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Post by HIM on Apr 11, 2024 13:10:44 GMT -5
She just might not be great at talking because even during the Thunderdome era she wasn't good. Besides that she was working with great talkers like Becky and she still couldn't do well. It's cool, she doesn't need to be cutting S+ promos to be dope. But she's been doing this at a prime level for over 10 years now. If she ain't get yet then we might be seeing her ceiling in it. After thinking about it, it might be her character. She's been the same character since her NXT days. Maybe if she switched characters she'd switch her promo style up. She was at her best character and promo wise when she and Bayley were burying......I mean....."carrying" the division during the pandemic era That's exactly what I was thinking of when I thought of her being her most different in character and promos. The Thunderdome Era was the most fun unique time for a lot of wrestlers, her included.
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markymark
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Post by markymark on Apr 11, 2024 13:18:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 11, 2024 14:58:44 GMT -5
After thinking about it, it might be her character. She's been the same character since her NXT days. Maybe if she switched characters she'd switch her promo style up. I think it's a combination of this and her being a pretty one-dimensional performer. She's good enough at what she does, but she's practically the female Dolph Ziggler.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 11, 2024 15:01:48 GMT -5
After thinking about it, it might be her character. She's been the same character since her NXT days. Maybe if she switched characters she'd switch her promo style up. I think it's a combination of this and her being a pretty one-dimensional performer. She's good enough at what she does, but she's practically the female Dolph Ziggler. And it might even be worse than that because Ziggler at least had periods like the 2016 Miz feud where he was pushed to the limit and demonstrated layers about himself and broader feelings about his career. Mone lacks even that particular highlight with her character or promos.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 11, 2024 15:12:26 GMT -5
I think kind of another issue hanging over this whole thing is, like... She kind of isn't a good enough wrestler to be worthy of this much build? Like she's definitely very good, had some great matches for sure, but she's hardly someone where every match she has is going to blow you away. It's kind of hard to sit through months on end of bad promos when you know there's a very real chance that the end result is going to be, "Yeah, that match was fine."
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 11, 2024 15:25:34 GMT -5
And it might even be worse than that because Ziggler at least had periods like the 2016 Miz feud where he was pushed to the limit and demonstrated layers about himself and broader feelings about his career. Mone lacks even that particular highlight with her character or promos. I think kind of another issue hanging over this whole thing is, like... She kind of isn't a good enough wrestler to be worthy of this much build? Like she's definitely very good, had some great matches for sure, but she's hardly someone where every match she has is going to blow you away. It's kind of hard to sit through months on end of bad promos when you know there's a very real chance that the end result is going to be, "Yeah, that match was fine." If ever there was somebody who needed a Matt Cardona-style post-WWE glow-up its Mercedes. At one point she had the potential to be one of the best female wrestlers in the world, but plateaued early and has been content to stay at that level while those coming up with her and after her found new levels and passed her by.
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Post by jb80 on Apr 11, 2024 15:33:54 GMT -5
Has Pepperman started work yet?
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 11, 2024 16:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by J is Justice on Apr 11, 2024 16:47:24 GMT -5
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 11, 2024 17:09:09 GMT -5
I don't know if she will, but it's not impossible for Mercedes to improve as a talker. Toni also used to be a pretty bad promo and now she's pretty damn entertaining. But I think Mercedes will end up being fine as long as she can still deliver in the ring.
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Post by markymark on Apr 11, 2024 17:54:52 GMT -5
Has Pepperman started work yet?
There has been more non title stuff in the division with Rosa/Deonna and Mina/Mariah for example(teasing Anna doing an Stardom excursion), I mean thus far Mercedes best contribution has been Pepperman
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 12, 2024 6:51:41 GMT -5
I think kind of another issue hanging over this whole thing is, like... She kind of isn't a good enough wrestler to be worthy of this much build? Like she's definitely very good, had some great matches for sure, but she's hardly someone where every match she has is going to blow you away. It's kind of hard to sit through months on end of bad promos when you know there's a very real chance that the end result is going to be, "Yeah, that match was fine." And all this is before her big ankle injury. There is no frame of reference for how she’ll be after that, because her first match after that injury will be her next match.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 12, 2024 7:13:07 GMT -5
I wouldve thought when she debuted she'd be close to getting clear. I guess I was wrong. Even at her apex her promos were her weakest game and I don't think it's the WWEs over scripting either, she just has bad delivery and needs to work on it.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 12, 2024 8:20:01 GMT -5
It's just taking a while to get there, but I think she'll be fine when she gets in the ring.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 12, 2024 9:47:19 GMT -5
I get the CM Punk “advertise it but not really wink wink” introduction in Boston, but I kinda question Tony debuting her months before she’s able to wrestle when she doesn’t have Punk’s promo abilities to keep people interested in her when she’s not physically able to do the one thing she’s good at: wrestling.
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 12, 2024 11:56:24 GMT -5
I get the CM Punk “advertise it but not really wink wink” introduction in Boston, but I kinda question Tony debuting her months before she’s able to wrestle when she doesn’t have Punk’s promo abilities to keep people interested in her when she’s not physically able to do the one thing she’s good at: wrestling. Since she had apparently signed on back in January, I'm wondering if they could've just kept her off TV and built the anticipation even more once she got fully healthy. All they really needed to do was have the royal rumble pass and by then, everyone else would realize she wasn't going back there.
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