4real
Wade Wilson
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Post by 4real on Jan 2, 2024 5:40:46 GMT -5
I still don’t think Raw and Smackdown or even the PPV’s are ‘can’t miss’ TV like it was in the Attitude era. I personally don’t get the same buzz even though I recognise WWE is doing well and things have greatly improved under HHH.
Part of that are 3 hour Raws and most of Smackdown feeling skippable apart from Bloodline stuff. I rarely watch the weekly shows live or even replays just check out highlights on YouTube. I get that that wasn’t as easy back in the attitude era though.
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wgdj
AC Slater
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Post by wgdj on Jan 2, 2024 8:44:51 GMT -5
It's not even close, and IMO as cool as the Attitude Era was, it was second to the Golden Era.
Business is great right now, no doubt, but the overall landscape is totally different.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 2, 2024 9:21:13 GMT -5
I’m genuinely curious as to what it would take to convince a number of Attitude era fans that wrestling isn’t in the doldrums right now.
Do Danhausen and Chad Gable have to show up at the Academy Awards or something?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 2, 2024 9:31:44 GMT -5
I've said this a billion times; wrestling's always been a niche. It was a circus side show turned into planned choreography turned into a extravaganza over time and that isn't going to appeal to everyone or even a majority of people. Wrestling's highest ratings are high but they're overshadowed by many, many things (MASH's finale was basically 3 1/2 The Main Events in viewership, and don't get me started on what Super Bowls do on a year by year basis). That's not going to change unless there's a massive cultural shift.
If you have wrestlers appearing on game shows and regional TV stations to promote events, that's something where these networks and companies consider them big enough to have on the shows to appeal to those niche audiences or to promote those events. RJ City had a team on Family Feud just last year, Xavier Woods was on Wheel of Fortune last year, Becky Lynch was the first wrestler on Celebrity Jeopardy (and maybe the last but anyway). I don't know what else is needed outside of, like, another wrestler hosting SNL or something to get it through that we're in a good time.
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Post by papagiorgio on Jan 2, 2024 9:32:35 GMT -5
My town sold out during the Attitude Era and Hulkamania era. Today, it gets the upper deck blacked out at tv tapings, so while it may be selling out some bigger cities and making more money due to increased ticket prices, it still has a ways to go.
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Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2024 13:02:45 GMT -5
I've said this a billion times; wrestling's always been a niche. It was a circus side show turned into planned choreography turned into a extravaganza over time and that isn't going to appeal to everyone or even a majority of people. Wrestling's highest ratings are high but they're overshadowed by many, many things (MASH's finale was basically 3 1/2 The Main Events in viewership, and don't get me started on what Super Bowls do on a year by year basis). That's not going to change unless there's a massive cultural shift. If you have wrestlers appearing on game shows and regional TV stations to promote events, that's something where these networks and companies consider them big enough to have on the shows to appeal to those niche audiences or to promote those events. RJ City had a team on Family Feud just last year, Xavier Woods was on Wheel of Fortune last year, Becky Lynch was the first wrestler on Celebrity Jeopardy (and maybe the last but anyway). I don't know what else is needed outside of, like, another wrestler hosting SNL or something to get it through that we're in a good time. Yes! Wrestling will never hit that peak again, for a number of reasons. That said, We're in a really, really GREAT place as fans right now. You have 2 viable companies who are both putting out really fun, albeit different products. The WWE is seeing success it hasn't seen in over 20 years. If you told any of us 10, 5 or hell, even 3 years ago coming off the pandemic what the wrestling landscape in 2024 looked like, we'd all do cartwheels.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2024 13:09:29 GMT -5
There will never be another time period quite like the Attitude era. The cultural zeitgeist is just too fragmented these days.
That said, WWE's in the best shape it's been since 2001-2002 and pro wrestling is the healthiest it's been since the Attitude Era. You can watch whatever you want, when you want. There's something for everyone and no one company has *all* the talent.
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salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 2, 2024 14:43:27 GMT -5
No, but I don't think it will ever reach those (Attitude/Rock & Wrestling) heights. I do think it is more accepted now as others have said and the business seems to be healthy but with how the world is now (so many other things to compete with), I just don't think it will ever be as hot like it was during the Attitude Era.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 2, 2024 17:19:02 GMT -5
I don't think so, but maybe it warrants some specific comparisons, even if they aren't apples-to-apples for a variety of reasons. Raw aired on TNN on January 1st, 2001. The 9 p.m. hour got a 4.3 rating ( approx. 5.836 million people?) and the 10 p.m. hour got a 4.7 rating ( approx. 6.162 million people?). Overall, this 2-hour episode got a 4.53 rating. The results for the show: I'm curious to see how last night's episode of Raw between 9 and 11 p.m. would fare in comparison to a show on the same date from 23 years ago. Maybe it's also worth taking a look at the January 1 episodes of Raw from 2007 (K-Fed) and 2018 (Roman Reigns vs. Samoa Joe).
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 3, 2024 3:33:55 GMT -5
I don't know, have any of the women tied Mark Henry up, covered him in whipped cream then clamped a vice onto his balls?
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Post by skip217 on Jan 3, 2024 7:16:13 GMT -5
From an Australian perspective it was insane being in high school during the attitude era, students would do crotch chops everywhere even in front of the teachers lol. The words “suck it” “nwo” “dx” etc would be graffitied on school desks, walls, you name it. This was at a time when Cable tv was relatively still new in Australia, if you had it people would come over to watch raw, nitro etc.
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Post by callmekc on Jan 3, 2024 8:28:06 GMT -5
Depends on your taste, but I don't think this is a controversial take. We're comparing Roman Reigns to Steve Austin. Steve is not an ugly man, by any stretch but Roman? That is an extremely handsome man. Plus there's a lot more diversity of body types in the E now than there was in the AE both in the male and the female roster.
Oh, you meant in terms of pop culture and being in a boom era? Don't be silly. WWE is relevant and it has it's well established niche, and that is fine. It is good and the quality is high. It is booming but it is not the zeitgeist.
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Magnus the Magnificent
King Koopa
didn't want one.
I could write a book about what you don't know!
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 3, 2024 9:06:57 GMT -5
Financially maybe?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 3, 2024 9:14:28 GMT -5
To be fair, WWE's financially dwarfed the Attitude Era for at least a decade.
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