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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 13, 2024 3:09:17 GMT -5
i think we should have it be like the baseball hall of fame where nobody ever makes it in and those who used chairs/interference in the 90s are boycotted off the ballot
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Post by repomark on Jan 13, 2024 3:26:57 GMT -5
They should really have rule like the NFL HOF has where you have to be retired for five years before you are eligible. But like no one retires in wrestling,even HBK came back. If they went by the 5 year rule that NFL,NBA,NHL etc do you would be electing almost nothing but Pensioners and Deceased Wrestlers. Yes many wrestlers channel their inner funk and unretire at least once - but that doesn’t mean such a rule (or similar) can’t be implemented in principle. A one off comeback match wouldn’t invalidate their HOF status. The problem they have is they have inducted too many big names over a short period of time, leaving them with fewer headline acts for future HOFs. Inducting “pensioners and deceased wrestlers” in many ways is exactly what the HOF should be to an extent - but now they have backed themselves into a corner by feeling like they have to do it infront of a live audience every year and need to have someone inducted that will draw each time. This leaves them thinking they have to induct more recent (or even current) stars. Fewer inductions each year is another change that would help them.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jan 13, 2024 5:11:32 GMT -5
But like no one retires in wrestling,even HBK came back. If they went by the 5 year rule that NFL,NBA,NHL etc do you would be electing almost nothing but Pensioners and Deceased Wrestlers. Yes many wrestlers channel their inner funk and unretire at least once - but that doesn’t mean such a rule (or similar) can’t be implemented in principle. A one off comeback match wouldn’t invalidate their HOF status. The problem they have is they have inducted too many big over a short period of time, leaving them with fewer headline acts for future HOFs. Inducting “pensioners and deceased wrestlers” in many ways is exactly what the HOF should be to an extent - but now they have backed themselves into a corner by feeling like they have to do it infront of a live audience every year and need to have someone inducted that will draw each time. This leaves them thinking they have to induct more recent (or even current) stars. Fewer inductions each year is another change that would help them. Why? The primary objective of the HOF is to sell tickets and get people to watch the induction ceremony on the Network. It's not backing themselves into a corner, it's the purpose of why they want to do it in the first place.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Jan 13, 2024 20:37:04 GMT -5
They've blown through their list of headline inductees that the current fanbase would respond to. They absolutely blew their wad during the 2010s, with huge classes of big names. I expect to start seeing more active wrestlers being inducted going forward.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 13, 2024 23:38:03 GMT -5
The idea of the Hall of Fame being a marker that your career is over was kind of already dead with Edge prominent on the roster at the same time anyway and they probably needed a headliner on short notice which Rey worked perfectly for. Don't see the issue with it, especially since sooooo much of Rey's identity as a character at this point is how much he's inspired the next generation of luchadors. Like, I could see where it'd be weird if they inducted Seth tomorrow, but Rey's been around so long and has a character such that he works perfectly. Yeah, one of the big smoothing factors really is that Rey was setting trends and changing stuff in the 1990s. There's people alive wrestling right now who weren't alive not just when Rey began wrestling, but after Rey had already changed the game. He is the elder statesman right now to a degree that doesn't make it seem like some of "Him? Why him?" thing because he's not so much an active wrestler as an active legend
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Post by 4real on Jan 13, 2024 23:45:02 GMT -5
It’s the question Dom asks himself every day.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 14, 2024 0:06:49 GMT -5
He had such a great career that they decided to waive the waiting period.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2024 16:21:08 GMT -5
Actually, Rey turning out to be a deadbeat dad is what finally qualified him for the HoF, previously most guys had to have committed horrible crimes and/or die to get in
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 14, 2024 22:55:48 GMT -5
Yes many wrestlers channel their inner funk and unretire at least once - but that doesn’t mean such a rule (or similar) can’t be implemented in principle. A one off comeback match wouldn’t invalidate their HOF status. The problem they have is they have inducted too many big over a short period of time, leaving them with fewer headline acts for future HOFs. Inducting “pensioners and deceased wrestlers” in many ways is exactly what the HOF should be to an extent - but now they have backed themselves into a corner by feeling like they have to do it infront of a live audience every year and need to have someone inducted that will draw each time. This leaves them thinking they have to induct more recent (or even current) stars. Fewer inductions each year is another change that would help them. Why? The primary objective of the HOF is to sell tickets and get people to watch the induction ceremony on the Network. It's not backing themselves into a corner, it's the purpose of why they want to do it in the first place. Is it that big a deal that it is now tied to Smackdown?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 14, 2024 23:04:09 GMT -5
Great wrestlers rarely completely retire until they're 30+ years into their career so I think any Hall of Fame in this industry needs to consider active talent.
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Post by Soultastic on Jan 14, 2024 23:45:13 GMT -5
They'd induct Giovanni Vinci tomorrow if they felt it'd be good for a hot angle.
I don't think the HoF is entirely meaningless, but it is a publicity stunt and a storyline device before anything else.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 15, 2024 2:48:58 GMT -5
I agree, we should protest this Hall of Fame. Just give me the address it's located at and I will be there.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jan 15, 2024 7:05:41 GMT -5
he wouldn't let wwe sign his triplets Dom, Tom & Nick (never seen in the same place at the same time strangely.) unless he was inducted into the Hall of Fame that year, weirdly he also insisted on they eye pop angle happening as part of the deal.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 15, 2024 7:23:24 GMT -5
Due to a sudden allergy attack I read this as "Why is Riley in the HOF?" and thought to myself "that doesn't sound very PG".
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 15, 2024 9:35:34 GMT -5
Why? The primary objective of the HOF is to sell tickets and get people to watch the induction ceremony on the Network. It's not backing themselves into a corner, it's the purpose of why they want to do it in the first place. Is it that big a deal that it is now tied to Smackdown? Primarily due to Smackdown moving to Fridays and Mania being 2 nights. That leaves them with no day to do it unless they moved it all the way to Thursday night.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 15, 2024 9:53:57 GMT -5
Great wrestlers rarely completely retire until they're 30+ years into their career so I think any Hall of Fame in this industry needs to consider active talent. Yeah, I think TNA's and Wrestling Observer's HoF's both have active talent.
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Post by City Duck on Jan 15, 2024 10:01:05 GMT -5
You absolutely can't pass on something as perfect as Dom walking out on one of the biggest nights of Rey's career one day before their Mania match. Like just thinking about an alt reality where they didn't do that makes me sad.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 15, 2024 10:25:11 GMT -5
He deserves it. Rey, Liger, and the Four Pillars are the biggest influences in the indy/WWE style we see today. I dont mind that he's in as an active competitor.
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Post by government mule on Jan 15, 2024 10:32:28 GMT -5
I don't see why it really matters. If the WWE want to acknowledge someone for their contribution to the company/industry no matter how small or if they're still active, then what's the harm?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 15, 2024 10:38:11 GMT -5
As others have said, it's both a marketing opportunity and a way to give people their flowers. It's always weird when there are big arguments about rules and what should be the standard for inductions when the "committee" has always been one dude making the final call with, like, zero campaigning. There are other HOFs that actually have those things if you want that.
Having said that, Rey is very much in the category of "If he doesn't go in the HOF, it's not in any way respectable" because he's arguably one of the most influential luchadores since El Santo and I don't say that lightly.
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