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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 17, 2024 22:27:17 GMT -5
Even in Texas, a lot of companies have quit testing for weed. It being legal in more than half the states, combined with companies usually doing business in more than one location, has led to them deciding it isn't worth the legal smoke. Heh.
Increased social acceptance of marijuana is probably a big part of it.
Feel like if you're using steroids and can't find a doctor willing to give you a medical reason at this point you aren't trying.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 17, 2024 23:01:16 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who thought Knight got suspended with the title of this thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if Knight himself atleast took TRT, even Cena back in the day had to be on something. I wonder how everyone got suspended in the late 2000s. I know it was after Benoit and all that but wouldn’t they have had prescriptions?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 18, 2024 4:47:03 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who thought Knight got suspended with the title of this thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if Knight himself atleast took TRT, even Cena back in the day had to be on something. I wonder how everyone got suspended in the late 2000s. I know it was after Benoit and all that but wouldn’t they have had prescriptions? Even with a prescription they were probably way over the limit. A doctor can only legally prescribe so much. Most likely they had several doctors all giving them stuff.
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Post by callmekc on Jan 18, 2024 5:25:24 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be surprised if Knight himself atleast took TRT, even Cena back in the day had to be on something. I wonder how everyone got suspended in the late 2000s. I know it was after Benoit and all that but wouldn’t they have had prescriptions? Even with a prescription they were probably way over the limit. A doctor can only legally prescribe so much. Most likely they had several doctors all giving them stuff. the wellness policy has a limit for T that is considerably above the USADA or WADA standards. If you fall between the WADA and WWE limits you get followed up and investigated by the medical director. Presumably those who failed either got their TUE (Therapeutic Usage Exemption) rejected or expired, or they were doing it without prescription. Either way they failed to exploit some massive ass loopholes.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Jan 18, 2024 5:31:37 GMT -5
WWE testing is a bit of a joke. There are like maybe 6 guys who are not using some sort of PED, steroids, or hormone replacement therapy. In this day and age all the buff dudes probably have prescriptions. Plenty of shady doctors out there willing to prescribe some trt if you ask nice enough, and by that I mean pay them enough. The truth is you can't be as big, muscular, and lean as these guys without any sort of external drug use. This also goes for all those 40-something year old actors getting ripped in a few months to play superheroes. Its especially true for every high level world-class athlete. I don't really care that people use stuff to get buff. What really bothers me is the lying about it. I was a kid once, and dumb enough to think that training prayers and vitamins was enough. I was also an actual athlete trained my butt off and learned that the human body just don't work the way these fitness grifters would like you to believe. Diet and exercise is a good thing, and you can improve your body, but not to the levels being promoted. Media and influencers have warped perception of reality. It's very telling that the most buff guys in WWE are in their late 30s or early to mid 40s. I think its less seen as 'become big' and more so as 'Peter Pan juice' these days. Perhaps less prevalent in AEW due to their smaller (in body size) roster but Brian Cage is 40 in a few weeks so not unheard of. I guess we will find out in 10-15 years or so if staying young was worth it. The guy who plays Reacher in the Prime series of the same name is 41 and Lex Luger style ripped. I hope they get to adapt the books Without Fail and Gone Tomorrow before he has to take a long break to recover from the juice.
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Post by Hunch back of Notredomus on Jan 18, 2024 7:08:27 GMT -5
WWE testing is a bit of a joke. There are like maybe 6 guys who are not using some sort of PED, steroids, or hormone replacement therapy. In this day and age all the buff dudes probably have prescriptions. Plenty of shady doctors out there willing to prescribe some trt if you ask nice enough, and by that I mean pay them enough. The truth is you can't be as big, muscular, and lean as these guys without any sort of external drug use. This also goes for all those 40-something year old actors getting ripped in a few months to play superheroes. It’s especially true for every high level world-class athlete. I don't really care that people use stuff to get buff. What really bothers me is the lying about it. I was a kid once, and dumb enough to think that training prayers and vitamins was enough. I was also an actual athlete trained my butt off and learned that the human body just don't work the way these fitness grifters would like you to believe. Diet and exercise is a good thing, and you can improve your body, but not to the levels being promoted. Media and influencers have warped perception of reality. It's very telling that the most buff guys in WWE are in their late 30s or early to mid 40s. I think its less seen as 'become big' and more so as 'Peter Pan juice' these days. Perhaps less prevalent in AEW due to their smaller (in body size) roster but Brian Cage is 40 in a few weeks so not unheard of. I guess we will find out in 10-15 years or so if staying young was worth it. The guy who plays Reacher in the Prime series of the same name is 41 and Lex Luger style ripped. I hope they get to adapt the books Without Fail and Gone Tomorrow before he has to take a long break to recover from the juice. Right. Daddy Ass also. Ass daddy, daddy ass juice whatever his name is.
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 18, 2024 14:23:21 GMT -5
It feels like noone has been suspended in years for wellness charges. These tests are the easiest thing in the world to beat. You either get a medical note or you take another substance. There is a reason Lance Armstrong never tested positive. Majority of people who test positive generally do so because they buy an over the counter supplement they just assume is allowed. If you're over 40, it's fairly easy to get a doctor to prescribe you with HGH or testosterone. There are anti-aging clinics that do it and since men typically see their natural testosterone production decline after 40, so there is a legitimate medical purpose to use those supplements that would be hard to regulate in a non-competitive entertainment form like the WWE. Personally, I think the WWE should focus these tests to identify people who may have addictions and find pathways to help them. Steroid use does have a medical purpose and its not like the WWE is a competitive sport. If people are taking supplements under the supervision of a doctor, who cares.
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 18, 2024 14:28:39 GMT -5
If guys wanna take a light steroid cycle or if they wanna get TRT I’m pretty okay with that. As long as they aren’t going full Davey Boy Smith with things then whatever. I mean, I’m 37 and I’ve felt a significant slowdown in my body lately, if I had a doctor I’d be inquiring about T supplements. Rey Mysterio uses Stem Cell injections that are technically banned by the IOC, yet the medical research shows its a miracle drug with little negative side effects that helps repair muscles. Also, its fairly common for doctors to prescribe things like HGH and testosterone to men over 40 now. There is a legit medical purpose as men see their testosterone production stop or massively slow down by 40. The entire conversation with supplement use needs to open up. There is a ton of data showing these supplements can do a lot of good. The whole backlash in the 80's came from Olympians using steroids that were meant for race horses and instead of regulating new drugs, the US government just threw steroids into the "hard drug" category in the 80's during the "Just Say No" propaganda campaign
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 18, 2024 14:30:44 GMT -5
Even in Texas, a lot of companies have quit testing for weed. It being legal in more than half the states, combined with companies usually doing business in more than one location, has led to them deciding it isn't worth the legal smoke. Heh. Increased social acceptance of marijuana is probably a big part of it. Feel like if you're using steroids and can't find a doctor willing to give you a medical reason at this point you aren't trying. Maybe because I am Canadian and was working in the US, I found it so shocking so many companies wanted to drug test me when I lived there. Unless you have a particular job in Canada, its not legal to do that here. Americans are some of my fav people, but good lord your government is one of the weirdest in the world.
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Post by Hunch back of Notredomus on Jan 18, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -5
Even in Texas, a lot of companies have quit testing for weed. It being legal in more than half the states, combined with companies usually doing business in more than one location, has led to them deciding it isn't worth the legal smoke. Heh. Increased social acceptance of marijuana is probably a big part of it. Feel like if you're using steroids and can't find a doctor willing to give you a medical reason at this point you aren't trying. Maybe because I am Canadian and was working in the US, I found it so shocking so many companies wanted to drug test me when I lived there. Unless you have a particular job in Canada, its not legal to do that here. Americans are some of my fav people, but good lord your government is one of the weirdest in the world. You are correct.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 18, 2024 14:48:49 GMT -5
The WWE test for presence of substances but not amount, and if you have a prescription for a month's supply of painkillers and you're taking 40 a day, you will pass as long as you have the paperwork filed. If a friendly doctor will prescribe HGH or steroids, then it's open season for abuse and it's all above board as far as the company is concerned, unless the media notice then they'll either suspend you to make an example, or change the rules so doesn't count if you're a former world champion who's on their third strike.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 16:01:23 GMT -5
Even in Texas, a lot of companies have quit testing for weed. It being legal in more than half the states, combined with companies usually doing business in more than one location, has led to them deciding it isn't worth the legal smoke. Heh. Increased social acceptance of marijuana is probably a big part of it. Feel like if you're using steroids and can't find a doctor willing to give you a medical reason at this point you aren't trying. Going a bit off topic, but one thing to note is that for some countries, when weed was legalized, it spiked in popularity in a few years and afterwards bottoms to below average before legalization. Some say it is the forbidden fruit that people are really getting high on .
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Post by DichEvans on Jan 18, 2024 16:38:05 GMT -5
Even in Texas, a lot of companies have quit testing for weed. It being legal in more than half the states, combined with companies usually doing business in more than one location, has led to them deciding it isn't worth the legal smoke. Heh. Increased social acceptance of marijuana is probably a big part of it. Feel like if you're using steroids and can't find a doctor willing to give you a medical reason at this point you aren't trying. Going a bit off topic, but one thing to note is that for some countries, when weed was legalized, it spiked in popularity in a few years and afterwards bottoms to below average before legalization. Some say it is the forbidden fruit that people are really getting high on . Lived in Holland. This is 100% true. It's been passively legal for about 30 years and this current generation thinks smoking weed is passe. At their core, humans are attracted to doing things they are not supposed to do.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 19, 2024 3:07:14 GMT -5
I heard Otis almost got suspended after testing positive for JR's Barbecue sauce.
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Post by Hunch back of Notredomus on Jan 19, 2024 6:27:54 GMT -5
I heard Otis almost got suspended after testing positive for JR's Barbecue sauce. Bro 😂😂😂
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 19, 2024 6:30:49 GMT -5
I mean, being cold about it all, part of the problem with so many of the 80s/90s guys dying young from steroid-related issues was the low-grade junk they put in themselves, by the barrel-full as well.
Always felt this was more about the prescription and regulation. They can pretend it's about being clean as a whistle, but no. It's about the regulation.
Getting your stuff from a shady doctor or trying to 'beat the test' is more likely to get you flagged. You don't have to beat the test.
Still all worth it anyway, for the general check up. MVP being the most prominent one but others as well.
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