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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 3, 2024 21:17:32 GMT -5
Know why I said that Swerve Strickland needs a Buck Strickland gimmick?
Because we need to calm our nerves in this topic. With a hot toddy.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 3, 2024 21:18:49 GMT -5
The TBS title has never adhered to the ranking systems. Only the main titles do. The secondary titles are normally open challenge. Jade went through so many people without records. It's always been this way yet it'll be a problem now that the rankings exist yet again because there has to be seven thousand things wrong with the ranking system, and apparently, if you point out this logic, you "eat every nugget of AEW shit and smile" Real fun energy in this board right now, as I said... I don't mind the ranking system but yeah, people really take it more seriously than it's meant to. Trying to put an ounce of real world logic into a wrestling ranking system is a recipe for disaster. There are titles in AEW that can be challenged by unranked people and there are titles that someone needs to be in the top 5 in order to challenge. Easy peasy.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 3, 2024 21:19:27 GMT -5
Good, because people complain incessantly about them and every minute detail about their existence, so maybe they should just go away Really fun idea taken way too seriously tbh They just told you that someone with no matches can name themselves top contender after telling you rankings matter again. your anger at people that aren’t Tony is misplaced as usual. Be mad at his nonsense. Not at people for holding it to the smallest standard of logic. People who don’t eat every nugget of shit from AEW with a smile on their face. Many of whom USED to buy tickets and watch the shows. Why post here if you don't enjoy them anymore? Sorry, just holding you to the smallest standard of logic.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2024 21:20:42 GMT -5
It's always been this way yet it'll be a problem now that the rankings exist yet again because there has to be seven thousand things wrong with the ranking system, and apparently, if you point out this logic, you "eat every nugget of AEW shit and smile" Real fun energy in this board right now, as I said... I don't mind the ranking system but yeah, people really take it more seriously than it's meant to. Trying to put an ounce of real world logic into a wrestling ranking system is a recipe for disaster. There are titles in AEW that can be challenged by unranked people and there are titles that someone needs to be in the top 5 in order to challenge. Easy peasy. The ranking system has always been there for the world titles, it predated the TNT and International Belts. They go off of more open challenge rules and always have, it's just aggravating that people see this as another reason to expunge the rankings when this was established day one.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 3, 2024 21:32:58 GMT -5
I just can't get upset that someone with the resume of Mercedes Mone may get an immediate title shot for the secondary women's title in the company. Especially when it's likely to be Willow who she has a ton of history with.
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Apr 3, 2024 21:35:04 GMT -5
for all we know part of her contract with signing in kayfabe is a title shot of her choosing, who honestly cares. i just want her wrestling asap, for her sake
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Post by HIM on Apr 3, 2024 21:54:36 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the rankings are here 6 months from now because it's obvious that TK can't do it well. Mercedes hasn't even wrestled a match yet. At most we can have them say her contract allows her to jump the line but we know it'll happen again with someone else and it'll keep happening.
Just get rid of this shit man. Take the L, admit it's not good and we can move on. We just want entertainment, not some "ok this is realism guys" shit.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2024 0:11:02 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the rankings are here 6 months from now because it's obvious that TK can't do it well. Mercedes hasn't even wrestled a match yet. At most we can have them say her contract allows her to jump the line but we know it'll happen again with someone else and it'll keep happening. Just get rid of this shit man. Take the L, admit it's not good and we can move on. We just want entertainment, not some "ok this is realism guys" shit. Dude can you at least read the last few posts at the very least before you condemn the rankings and say "Take the L" and say it doesn't make any sense? Where people have stated the TNT and TBS belts have NEVER followed the ranking system rules, that it's for the world titles, and these belts have always had the open challenges, with or without the system, it's always been their gimmick? Like idk if it's just me but I feel like the amount of anger at these rankings is just so ridiculously overblown, it's why I'm also in favor of abolishing them at this point, as it's really brought out some of the worst in some people just by the mere fact they've existed and it hasn't even been four months with what four releases of results?? It's like the rankings personally insulted their family or something, and they'll ignore any counterargument that's been said about otherwise just to say "No just f*** these", the discourse is rough, I was really excited to see these come back because they make AEW stand out but it's not worth it at this point if it's just gonna turn into a mock session every time we get an update and someone's in a spot they apparently shouldn't be or gets a title shot they apparently shouldn't get... it's rough man, and AEW discussion is rough enough lately lol
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Post by HIM on Apr 4, 2024 2:16:35 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the rankings are here 6 months from now because it's obvious that TK can't do it well. Mercedes hasn't even wrestled a match yet. At most we can have them say her contract allows her to jump the line but we know it'll happen again with someone else and it'll keep happening. Just get rid of this shit man. Take the L, admit it's not good and we can move on. We just want entertainment, not some "ok this is realism guys" shit. Dude can you at least read the last few posts at the very least before you condemn the rankings and say "Take the L" and say it doesn't make any sense? Where people have stated the TNT and TBS belts have NEVER followed the ranking system rules, that it's for the world titles, and these belts have always had the open challenges, with or without the system, it's always been their gimmick? Like idk if it's just me but I feel like the amount of anger at these rankings is just so ridiculously overblown, it's why I'm also in favor of abolishing them at this point, as it's really brought out some of the worst in some people just by the mere fact they've existed and it hasn't even been four months with what four releases of results?? It's like the rankings personally insulted their family or something, and they'll ignore any counterargument that's been said about otherwise just to say "No just f*** these", the discourse is rough, I was really excited to see these come back because they make AEW stand out but it's not worth it at this point if it's just gonna turn into a mock session every time we get an update and someone's in a spot they apparently shouldn't be or gets a title shot they apparently shouldn't get... it's rough man, and AEW discussion is rough enough lately lol Bruh I've read every post in this thread since this thread was created, I even posted one of the first pages saying "good luck AEW" because I wanted the ranking system to work. Even before I posted a few hours ago I read previous posts, came to my own opinion and then made a comment. I'm just not feeling it. Like, you and a lot of others are defending this hard when I and others just don't like the ranking system as a whole. You're free to have your own opinion but me? I don't like it so I'm going to voice my opinion on that and nothing so far is making me change it. It shouldn't be something we have to have page long discussions on if someone's rank is correct nor should it be anything people go to bat for because it's something that can be tossed aside and the product will not drastically change. I say get rid of it, move on and give us something else.
Lastly, nah, this ranking discourse is not one of the worst things we've had on this forum let alone the AEW subforum. The "Main Event Racial" thread is some of the worst because we were talking about race there and people didn't get it, the "AEW Women's Division" was worse because we're talking about women and how they're booked which was controversial. The CM Punk stuff, the Brawl Out stuff, even the stuff around Brandi's booking has been worse.
We're just talking about ranks here. Dudes shouldn't be getting mad about anyone disliking or liking something as silly as a ranking system. Either you like it or you don't.
I just don't like it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2024 2:52:04 GMT -5
Dude can you at least read the last few posts at the very least before you condemn the rankings and say "Take the L" and say it doesn't make any sense? Where people have stated the TNT and TBS belts have NEVER followed the ranking system rules, that it's for the world titles, and these belts have always had the open challenges, with or without the system, it's always been their gimmick? Like idk if it's just me but I feel like the amount of anger at these rankings is just so ridiculously overblown, it's why I'm also in favor of abolishing them at this point, as it's really brought out some of the worst in some people just by the mere fact they've existed and it hasn't even been four months with what four releases of results?? It's like the rankings personally insulted their family or something, and they'll ignore any counterargument that's been said about otherwise just to say "No just f*** these", the discourse is rough, I was really excited to see these come back because they make AEW stand out but it's not worth it at this point if it's just gonna turn into a mock session every time we get an update and someone's in a spot they apparently shouldn't be or gets a title shot they apparently shouldn't get... it's rough man, and AEW discussion is rough enough lately lol Bruh I've read every post in this thread since this thread was created, I even posted one of the first pages saying "good luck AEW" because I wanted the ranking system to work. Even before I posted a few hours ago I read previous posts, came to my own opinion and then made a comment. I'm just not feeling it. Like, you and a lot of others are defending this hard when I and others just don't like the ranking system as a whole. You're free to have your own opinion but me? I don't like it so I'm going to voice my opinion on that and nothing so far is making me change it. It shouldn't be something we have to have page long discussions on if someone's rank is correct nor should it be anything people go to bat for because it's something that can be tossed aside and the product will not drastically change. I say get rid of it, move on and give us something else.
Lastly, nah, this ranking discourse is not one of the worst things we've had on this forum let alone the AEW subforum. The "Main Event Racial" thread is some of the worst because we were talking about race there and people didn't get it, the "AEW Women's Division" was worse because we're talking about women and how they're booked which was controversial. The CM Punk stuff, the Brawl Out stuff, even the stuff around Brandi's booking has been worse.
We're just talking about ranks here. Dudes shouldn't be getting mad about anyone disliking or liking something as silly as a ranking system. Either you like it or you don't.
I just don't like it.
I wasn't saying this was the worst for the record, I'm just saying it's been rough. Trying to rank what AEW's discourse would be the worst discourse at any given time feels like at this point would be a complete nightmare. I also wasn't saying you didn't have to like it, was more like... the reasoning for some things has always made sense in context that some people are simply saying is bullshit or never made sense, that is where my counterarguments lie ultimately, if something didn't make sense or was never explained in any context, then yeah, but Mone challenging for the TBS title has always been within AEW's logic and context, Jade's TBS Title reign never went by rankings much like the TNT and INT title, they go by more open rules and not by ranks, and never really have, so it's not really Mone jumping a line or not adhearing to ranks, it's doing literally what Cardona did to Adam last week, but announcing it ahead of time that she got next I do agree that it's exhausting though, it's just something added onto the pile of AEW discourse that seems to explode for no reason out of the littlest kernels of information, and I'm shocked a ranking system has gotten people this frustrated this early into its re-existence, especially when it's not even a WEEKLY release. Felt like people gave up on it immediately, and again, I was excited for it, but now much like the ratings threads, I dread updates, because none of this feels like it's fun or optimal discussion it's just "What's AEW done wrong now?" without any word as to otherwise.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 4, 2024 3:14:39 GMT -5
Dude can you at least read the last few posts at the very least before you condemn the rankings and say "Take the L" and say it doesn't make any sense? Where people have stated the TNT and TBS belts have NEVER followed the ranking system rules, that it's for the world titles, and these belts have always had the open challenges, with or without the system, it's always been their gimmick? Like idk if it's just me but I feel like the amount of anger at these rankings is just so ridiculously overblown, it's why I'm also in favor of abolishing them at this point, as it's really brought out some of the worst in some people just by the mere fact they've existed and it hasn't even been four months with what four releases of results?? It's like the rankings personally insulted their family or something, and they'll ignore any counterargument that's been said about otherwise just to say "No just f*** these", the discourse is rough, I was really excited to see these come back because they make AEW stand out but it's not worth it at this point if it's just gonna turn into a mock session every time we get an update and someone's in a spot they apparently shouldn't be or gets a title shot they apparently shouldn't get... it's rough man, and AEW discussion is rough enough lately lol Bruh I've read every post in this thread since this thread was created, I even posted one of the first pages saying "good luck AEW" because I wanted the ranking system to work. Even before I posted a few hours ago I read previous posts, came to my own opinion and then made a comment. I'm just not feeling it. Like, you and a lot of others are defending this hard when I and others just don't like the ranking system as a whole. You're free to have your own opinion but me? I don't like it so I'm going to voice my opinion on that and nothing so far is making me change it. It shouldn't be something we have to have page long discussions on if someone's rank is correct nor should it be anything people go to bat for because it's something that can be tossed aside and the product will not drastically change. I say get rid of it, move on and give us something else.
Lastly, nah, this ranking discourse is not one of the worst things we've had on this forum let alone the AEW subforum. The "Main Event Racial" thread is some of the worst because we were talking about race there and people didn't get it, the "AEW Women's Division" was worse because we're talking about women and how they're booked which was controversial. The CM Punk stuff, the Brawl Out stuff, even the stuff around Brandi's booking has been worse.
We're just talking about ranks here. Dudes shouldn't be getting mad about anyone disliking or liking something as silly as a ranking system. Either you like it or you don't.
I just don't like it.
No one's mad at anyone for not liking the system, we're just providing context why it isn't applicable for this situation. The ranking system only applies to world titles (ie AEW World Heavyweight, AEW Women's, AEW tag and trios). The TNT/TBS/International titles have always worked off of an open challenge system and thus the rankings are not required for people challenging for them.
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Post by eJm on Apr 4, 2024 5:31:04 GMT -5
Why do people keep forgetting the TNT/TBS titles aren’t part of the rankings? It’s been established as a more open invite title literally since it was formed!
What are we even arguing about?
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Post by dreidemy on Apr 4, 2024 7:30:55 GMT -5
Why do people keep forgetting the TNT/TBS titles aren’t part of the rankings? It’s been established as a more open invite title literally since it was formed! What are we even arguing about? Its like people arguing on Twitter that the MONTLHY UPDATED Rankings aren't mentioned every week
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Post by HIM on Apr 4, 2024 10:25:02 GMT -5
Bruh I've read every post in this thread since this thread was created, I even posted one of the first pages saying "good luck AEW" because I wanted the ranking system to work. Even before I posted a few hours ago I read previous posts, came to my own opinion and then made a comment. I'm just not feeling it. Like, you and a lot of others are defending this hard when I and others just don't like the ranking system as a whole. You're free to have your own opinion but me? I don't like it so I'm going to voice my opinion on that and nothing so far is making me change it. It shouldn't be something we have to have page long discussions on if someone's rank is correct nor should it be anything people go to bat for because it's something that can be tossed aside and the product will not drastically change. I say get rid of it, move on and give us something else.
Lastly, nah, this ranking discourse is not one of the worst things we've had on this forum let alone the AEW subforum. The "Main Event Racial" thread is some of the worst because we were talking about race there and people didn't get it, the "AEW Women's Division" was worse because we're talking about women and how they're booked which was controversial. The CM Punk stuff, the Brawl Out stuff, even the stuff around Brandi's booking has been worse.
We're just talking about ranks here. Dudes shouldn't be getting mad about anyone disliking or liking something as silly as a ranking system. Either you like it or you don't.
I just don't like it.
I wasn't saying this was the worst for the record, I'm just saying it's been rough. Trying to rank what AEW's discourse would be the worst discourse at any given time feels like at this point would be a complete nightmare. I also wasn't saying you didn't have to like it, was more like... the reasoning for some things has always made sense in context that some people are simply saying is bullshit or never made sense, that is where my counterarguments lie ultimately, if something didn't make sense or was never explained in any context, then yeah, but Mone challenging for the TBS title has always been within AEW's logic and context, Jade's TBS Title reign never went by rankings much like the TNT and INT title, they go by more open rules and not by ranks, and never really have, so it's not really Mone jumping a line or not adhearing to ranks, it's doing literally what Cardona did to Adam last week, but announcing it ahead of time that she got next I do agree that it's exhausting though, it's just something added onto the pile of AEW discourse that seems to explode for no reason out of the littlest kernels of information, and I'm shocked a ranking system has gotten people this frustrated this early into its re-existence, especially when it's not even a WEEKLY release. Felt like people gave up on it immediately, and again, I was excited for it, but now much like the ratings threads, I dread updates, because none of this feels like it's fun or optimal discussion it's just "What's AEW done wrong now?" without any word as to otherwise. No one's mad at anyone for not liking the system, we're just providing context why it isn't applicable for this situation. The ranking system only applies to world titles (ie AEW World Heavyweight, AEW Women's, AEW tag and trios). The TNT/TBS/International titles have always worked off of an open challenge system and thus the rankings are not required for people challenging for them. Yall are missing what I'm saying.
I know why those midcard titles don't operate with the ranking system, it's been said numerous times by multiple people in this thread. My point is that I don't like how it's setup and think it could be done better. Anytime a situation happens where someone's next up for a midcard title we immediately have people questioning the ranking system itself due to how it's presented when it really shouldn't be this way. It should be a simple system to which 99% of people understand but it isn't and that's not good. Not only that, I don't think it should be a system to where certain titles are excluded from it, it should be all or none. It's half-assing and it looks like it's there to say "ok guys I'll really try to do this for those who like it but most of the programming won't involve it" and if that's the case then why do it? What are we really doing here? If that's the case then just don't do it because programming's more flexible without it.
It's not fun.
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Post by eJm on Apr 4, 2024 10:27:37 GMT -5
Like...you say that but a lot of what's been established about individual titles has been established on the shows themselves.
Should it be explained that way to newer viewers? Sure, but none of this is new to people who are watching week by week. So I honestly do not understand why there has to be something for the midcard titles when it comes down sometimes to what a champion feels like the story of their belt should be, in kayfabe.
So again, I have no idea what we're even arguing about.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 4, 2024 11:25:39 GMT -5
Like...you say that but a lot of what's been established about individual titles has been established on the shows themselves. Should it be explained that way to newer viewers? Sure, but none of this is new to people who are watching week by week. So I honestly do not understand why there has to be something for the midcard titles when it comes down sometimes to what a champion feels like the story of their belt should be, in kayfabe. So again, I have no idea what we're even arguing about. At this point the argument is pure semantics and personal preference at this point. It's really a few people who don't like the system because it doesn't make sense to them because of their own logics compared to the show's logics where everything makes more sense in context. I get it even if I don't agree with the stance. It's a monthly ranking system for the world titles, that pulls from monthly/year-long overalls and strength of performance overall. It excludes the midcard titles so as to make those defenses a bit more flexible and more frequent on the weekly shows, while making defenses for the world titles to be a bit more far and between. Maybe they should explain the intricacies a bit more in-depth but I guess they don't feel they need to because it's been like this for so long that they don't feel it's necessary.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 4, 2024 11:43:37 GMT -5
How would the rankings even work if they were for all of the belts? Does no.1 get a choice of world or TNT/TBS? Does no.2 get the shot at TBS/TNT? They have to operate in a different way for the other belts. Maybe putting all of the champs on the graphic is a bad idea and confuses the issue though. I think they should take the other champs off the graphic and do a separate champions roll call graphic each month
For me, the rankings are just one of many tools at Khan's disposal to book the show. I don't see them as the final and only answer to who gets a title shot - they're a story telling device like tournaments, winning streaks, and home invasions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 5, 2024 21:40:30 GMT -5
So Leyla Hisch just issued a challenge to Julia Hart for the TBS Title in her return to AEW TV for the first time in like two years and Julia Hart accepted
Is this where we also bitch about how the rankings don't make sense and are a plague upon society because the obvious canon set up for TBS and TNT belts that has always been there, is still logically continuing?? Or is it because it's just cool to say the rankings suck because they don't personally vibe with what you want in wrestling? Because it feels like if you just paid attention to AEW, you'd know the arguments and outcry for the last few pages have been complete BS lol
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Post by dbsot on Apr 22, 2024 14:46:06 GMT -5
Tony added some information on how the ranking system works. Basically, the rankings are only for the world titles (men/women), the tag titles and the trio titles. The TNT, Continental, International and TBS are all more open.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 22, 2024 15:07:26 GMT -5
Tony added some information on how the ranking system works. Basically, the rankings are only for the world titles (men/women), the tag titles and the trio titles. The TNT, Continental, International and TBS are all more open. The thing that was obvious from the get go but people still complained about it so he had to state it even more openly that it's the case At least we have video proof so people can stop going "BUT WHY DOES THIS PERSON GET A TNT TITLE SHOT, WHAT ABOUT MUH RANKINGS??"
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