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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 11:00:37 GMT -5
This is very fair, and very true. AEW's roster bloated a little too quickly during the pandemic as it continued to sign a lot of the hottest indie and international talent, but also signed a large number of ex-WWE guys. Collision and Rampage mitigate that a little bit in my opinion, but, then, like this week, you'll get the "why is Takeshita wrestling on a show no one watches?!?!" criticism, so I sort of feel like AEW can't win for losing when it comes to that. That's exacerbated to infinity for the people like Ethan Page and Athena who are acts that AEW fans really want to see, but who are truly stuck on a show that almost no one watches. I've always said that it makes sense for AEW to just open its door right now and tell all of the disgruntled malcontents that they are welcome to leave if they choose to. Miro usually has awesome matches when he decides to come to work, but it really doesn't make any sense to have him sitting around being passive aggressive on Twitter for 2 months between them, for example. I'd say "the roster's just too big" is more of a brass tacks criticism that I can't really fault people for having; I can sit here and say it doesn't bother me much (but then, I'm also subscribed to Honor Club, so I have to remind myself often that most viewers aren't), but some folks do want to see a more consistent set of names week to week or episode to episode, and yeah, the period after the pandemic where they really wanted to plant their flag, at a time when WWE was releasing some major talent left and right, combined with Khan not cutting people before their contracts run out unless there's cause for termination, does mean you're talking a really massive number. 2024 may be a bit of a turnover year in that regard; a lot of 2021 contracts are likely expiring this year, and if they do eventually wind up having Ospreay, Mone, and even potentially Okada as the major signees of the near future, those are names that command a lot of attention, so choices will have to be made. I think alot of the problems could be fixed with a more streamlined roster. I enjoy the diversity a la WCW’s huge roster in the mid to late 90s but there’s something to be said for at least featuring the top stars consistently every week and fans knowing that’s what they’re going to see.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 26, 2024 11:38:49 GMT -5
I'd say "the roster's just too big" is more of a brass tacks criticism that I can't really fault people for having; I can sit here and say it doesn't bother me much (but then, I'm also subscribed to Honor Club, so I have to remind myself often that most viewers aren't), but some folks do want to see a more consistent set of names week to week or episode to episode, and yeah, the period after the pandemic where they really wanted to plant their flag, at a time when WWE was releasing some major talent left and right, combined with Khan not cutting people before their contracts run out unless there's cause for termination, does mean you're talking a really massive number. 2024 may be a bit of a turnover year in that regard; a lot of 2021 contracts are likely expiring this year, and if they do eventually wind up having Ospreay, Mone, and even potentially Okada as the major signees of the near future, those are names that command a lot of attention, so choices will have to be made. I think alot of the problems could be fixed with a more streamlined roster. I enjoy the diversity a la WCW’s huge roster in the mid to late 90s but there’s something to be said for at least featuring the top stars consistently every week and fans knowing that’s what they’re going to see. I mean, top stars are featured every week? Hangman is on a show every week in some way, Swerve definitely is, Samoa Joe is, FTR are, Orange Cassidy most definitely is, Toni Storm is, BCC are, Adam Copeland is, hell injured Adam Cole is. There are exceptions like if someone is busy that week, like in Japan or taking the week off, or if the wrestler is injured (like Omega). Otherwise the big stars are on tv every week right now. And they heavily advertise matches a week or days in advance, so you know what you're getting. I knew the Collision card a few days in advance before we went. So I'm not sure I get the complaint here.
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Post by raymondo316 on Jan 26, 2024 11:56:07 GMT -5
This might sound harsh, but the AEW roster’s too big. That’s one reason I feel that wrestlers like Konosuke Takeshita will have a hot period where they go over a main eventer like Kenny Omega and are just doing nothing for a while after that. WWE to be fair does have a brand split advantage, which is constantly broken as they see fit to push who they want but since TK (as far as I know) is the sole booker for both the All Elite and ROH products, he’ll understandably lose focus on certain people. I’d either cut some folks or spread around the creative brainstorming if I were in his position. Takeshita is a far bigger fumble than Wardlow, who most have wined about for years. Takeshita understands the in-ring and the character work at a level only the top men in the company do. Omega delivered another Hangman to Tony on a silver platter, a young guy that could help carry the company for another decade. And Tony did nothing with it. Never going to understand it. This is my main worry about Okada if he signs. Due to his English not being great, I can just imagine him being put with Don Callis, and he ends up stuck in that universe like Takeshita is.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 12:27:34 GMT -5
I think alot of the problems could be fixed with a more streamlined roster. I enjoy the diversity a la WCW’s huge roster in the mid to late 90s but there’s something to be said for at least featuring the top stars consistently every week and fans knowing that’s what they’re going to see. I mean, top stars are featured every week? Hangman is on a show every week in some way, Swerve definitely is, Samoa Joe is, FTR are, Orange Cassidy most definitely is, Toni Storm is, BCC are, Adam Copeland is, hell injured Adam Cole is. There are exceptions like if someone is busy that week, like in Japan or taking the week off, or if the wrestler is injured (like Omega). Otherwise the big stars are on tv every week right now. And they heavily advertise matches a week or days in advance, so you know what you're getting. I knew the Collision card a few days in advance before we went. So I'm not sure I get the complaint here. Right now on Dynamite I know they’ll feature Joe, Hangman, Swerve because that’s the top story right now. Same how they featured MJF and Cole every week when that was the top story. But then as you move throughout you’ll be hit or miss as to whether someone will be featured each week on Dynamite. Like where was Page before being featured more prominently in recent months? Just kind of floating around. Will Moxley be featured on Dynamite? Bryan? The Bucks? Jericho? Omega (when he was healthy)? Takeshita? Darby? The Acclaimed? It seems it’s very iffy whether you’ll see them featured each week (and a 30’second to a minute backstage promo is not featured when we’re talking about for the crowd in attendance).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 26, 2024 12:39:53 GMT -5
Takeshita is a far bigger fumble than Wardlow, who most have wined about for years. Takeshita understands the in-ring and the character work at a level only the top men in the company do. Omega delivered another Hangman to Tony on a silver platter, a young guy that could help carry the company for another decade. And Tony did nothing with it. Never going to understand it. This is my main worry about Okada if he signs. Due to his English not being great, I can just imagine him being put with Don Callis, and he ends up stuck in that universe like Takeshita is. The Callisverse is every bit as terrible as the Cody verse.
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Post by markymark on Jan 26, 2024 13:34:23 GMT -5
Takeshita is a far bigger fumble than Wardlow, who most have wined about for years. Takeshita understands the in-ring and the character work at a level only the top men in the company do. Omega delivered another Hangman to Tony on a silver platter, a young guy that could help carry the company for another decade. And Tony did nothing with it. Never going to understand it. This is my main worry about Okada if he signs. Due to his English not being great, I can just imagine him being put with Don Callis, and he ends up stuck in that universe like Takeshita is.
If thats the case then they will boot Take out of Callis family and Okada becomes Callis guy(of course they will have to retcon a lot of stuff that happened last year regarding Take/Kenny)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 26, 2024 14:17:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 26, 2024 15:14:55 GMT -5
Dave seems to be doing some sort of long-term avant-garde "the frogurt is also cursed" bit or something.
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Post by markymark on Jan 26, 2024 15:53:53 GMT -5
Their previous time they did 3655 and they still had Punk employed(going for the title)
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Post by bdon on Jan 26, 2024 17:22:58 GMT -5
I think alot of the problems could be fixed with a more streamlined roster. I enjoy the diversity a la WCW’s huge roster in the mid to late 90s but there’s something to be said for at least featuring the top stars consistently every week and fans knowing that’s what they’re going to see. I mean, top stars are featured every week? Hangman is on a show every week in some way, Swerve definitely is, Samoa Joe is, FTR are, Orange Cassidy most definitely is, Toni Storm is, BCC are, Adam Copeland is, hell injured Adam Cole is. There are exceptions like if someone is busy that week, like in Japan or taking the week off, or if the wrestler is injured (like Omega). Otherwise the big stars are on tv every week right now. And they heavily advertise matches a week or days in advance, so you know what you're getting. I knew the Collision card a few days in advance before we went. So I'm not sure I get the complaint here. Has that been the case of late? Sure. You aren’t getting the product hot by only doing something of recent note. “WHERE THE F*** IS HANGMAN!?” has been a common theme for far too much of the last 2.5 years. Again, y’all keep arguing this point as if it’s something we are saying they’re guilty of currently. It’s been a problem of the last 2.5 years. They (Tony) will have to prove this last 2 months isn’t just an anomaly.
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Post by markymark on Jan 26, 2024 17:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 26, 2024 17:32:57 GMT -5
Takeshita is a far bigger fumble than Wardlow, who most have wined about for years. Takeshita understands the in-ring and the character work at a level only the top men in the company do. Omega delivered another Hangman to Tony on a silver platter, a young guy that could help carry the company for another decade. And Tony did nothing with it. Never going to understand it. This is my main worry about Okada if he signs. Due to his English not being great, I can just imagine him being put with Don Callis, and he ends up stuck in that universe like Takeshita is. There's essentially zero chance that's going to happen. Takeshita is amazing; he also came largely unknown to the American audience. Okada's coming in, should he sign, under very different circumstances.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 26, 2024 17:57:49 GMT -5
You know the live crowd wants to SEE their top stars live, right? One of the complaints abo it WWE that I heard at another board were that you spend so much time watching the screen. This was a few years ago, so I don’t know if the WWE shows are still backstage heavy or not. No clue. I get where you're coming from. The first Collision I went to they announced that The Acclaimed would be there for a promo. Which took place backstage and I was very disappointed with that and so were others in the Arena. The recent Collision I went to they announced Adam Copeland would be there and my biggest fear was there would be a backstage segment and he wouldn't come out to the live crowd. For me if I go to a show and the wrestler I want to see the most is only in a backstage segment, It doesn't ruin the show for me,but I do leave the show a little disappointed. A lot of the fan favorites can come out at the end to speak to the crowd and send them home happy and idk if Acclaimed did but I know it can mediate some people who only show up on TV for backstage segments. I assume Acclaimed didn't that night but I just know that's a thing they like to do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 26, 2024 18:02:45 GMT -5
In the end this is actually what matters Unless stuff like this actively changes, AEW isn't going to really be impacted in any way or be in any sort of panic mode tbh, especially if the brand keeps growing at that pace.
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Post by raymondo316 on Jan 31, 2024 12:11:12 GMT -5
First 2 shows for March have been announced, back to back shows in Duluth Georgia is certainly a strange choice. That Collision taping on the Thursday is really going to struggle if they dont price this very cheap.
These back to back shows never seem to do well.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jan 31, 2024 16:35:37 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you measure the growth in the value of a brand that isn't publicly traded? That seems to be one of those things where anyone can say it but unless you have regular valuations of the business (unlikely) there's no way of proving it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 31, 2024 18:38:02 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you measure the growth in the value of a brand that isn't publicly traded? That seems to be one of those things where anyone can say it but unless you have regular valuations of the business (unlikely) there's no way of proving it. You can't. That's why this is all academic
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 31, 2024 18:42:30 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you measure the growth in the value of a brand that isn't publicly traded? That seems to be one of those things where anyone can say it but unless you have regular valuations of the business (unlikely) there's no way of proving it. You really can't and I think that's why the whole crowd thing is brought up a lot, some of it is that crowds could be better but there are numbers to them. Plus for those who need a visual indicator, sometimes you have that as well. It isn't like they're going to go out of business and I'm not going to downplay the company being in a lull but there's a reason why the crowds are mentioned often.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jan 31, 2024 18:56:30 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you measure the growth in the value of a brand that isn't publicly traded? That seems to be one of those things where anyone can say it but unless you have regular valuations of the business (unlikely) there's no way of proving it. I would think the longer they're in business, the more of a library of footage they're able to create the more it would be worth, but I know jack all about these things
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Post by Cyno on Jan 31, 2024 19:01:35 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you measure the growth in the value of a brand that isn't publicly traded? That seems to be one of those things where anyone can say it but unless you have regular valuations of the business (unlikely) there's no way of proving it. Educated guessing is the best we got unless AEW publicly discloses its financials.
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