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Post by A Little Doo Doo on May 17, 2024 21:26:15 GMT -5
The finish was classic Super-Bianca booking. So who knows if they changed it or not? They do that crap all the time with Bianca. Tiff had better win MITB then. If she doesn’t, then I call BS. The issue is, she needs a really big WIN on the MR. She still doesn’t have that. It was kinda ridiculous, even for Bianca (who I'm a fan of!)
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Post by asuka007 on May 17, 2024 21:38:31 GMT -5
The way the Jade vs. Nia match went made Tiff losing even dumber in retrospect.
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Post by john84 on May 17, 2024 21:46:33 GMT -5
The finish was classic Super-Bianca booking. So who knows if they changed it or not? They do that crap all the time with Bianca. Tiff had better win MITB then. If she doesn’t, then I call BS. The issue is, she needs a really big WIN on the MR. She still doesn’t have that. It was kinda ridiculous, even for Bianca (who I'm a fan of!) Yeah it was a weird finish to the match, great match otherwise. But, hey ho I suppose.
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Post by J is Justice on May 17, 2024 21:50:35 GMT -5
I was pleasently surprised Bianca won.
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Post by asuka007 on May 17, 2024 21:51:18 GMT -5
They had a golden opportunity to protect Bianca in a loss. But apparently Tiffany cannot be her Even when she’s on one leg and Tiffany cheated.
She gets beaten up for 10 minutes and then just wins.
They could have avoided having to do the stupid DQ later on as well.
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Post by papagiorgio on May 18, 2024 3:03:07 GMT -5
The people mad at Tiffany are going to love it when Nia wins the whole tournament.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 18, 2024 4:06:23 GMT -5
The people mad at Tiffany are going to love it when Nia wins the hole tournament. Fixed.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on May 18, 2024 6:29:17 GMT -5
This page has turned more into a general thread than a dedicated fan thread, and some of her fans are currently conflicted, so this post probably won't go down well It would have been interesting to know if the winner was changed late following that IG story. I was sure the knee injury was set up last week as an excuse for Tiffany to get the W, but as it is, it doesn't really do Candice or Tiff any favours. If they wanted an injury angle to cover up an eventual Bianca loss then Tiff/Nia could have just attacked her before the semi final match next week - I hope Bianca's not going to come through the entire tournament and win on one leg. Despite the knee optics, it was still a really good match, definitely Tiffany's best (and longest) on Smackdown thus far, and her winning might have been a look they wanted to avoid under the circumstances, so somewhat understandable, but I can't help but feel that she's been cooled down a fair bit, and not as 'hot' as she was a couple of months ago. Coming out of Elimination Chamber and having the (US) crowd over Naomi on March 1st, and getting the win kind of made her feel like 'the one', a special talent, someone to possibly build the division around, still undefeated (on Smackdown), popular, getting a lot of focus (she had like 5 matches on Smackdown in 6 weeks), but those 5 weeks off TV around Mania hasn't helped at all, nor has Jade coming up during that period and instantly getting on all the promotional material and the real push, and then being relegated to the house show last week (even before the controversy) wasn't a good sign of her perceived importance, and she's not won on TV since March 8th, which is crazy. Plus little things like not being in the K/QOTR commercial last Monday, her and DCRTL's Lyon Smackdown entrance being randomly bundled in either side of the 4 faces etc. It's obviously still very early days, and an eventual face turn probably will change things, but I am kind of getting Carmella vibes with her, like someone who will get a decent amount of TV time, may get the odd accolade and win a MITB/title, but will generally be more portrayed as sneaky, kind of joke figure, rather than an actual prodigious talent. It will be interesting to see how the QOTR plays out on Smackdown next week, and possibly on Saturday as well. If she's not on the PLE, it would have probably been better her not having to go over to Saudi, but they've obviously got a live Smackdown show to run there, and many were over for Smackdown in France who weren't on Backlash, so she probably will be there, and I think over the two days, they will set up Bianca/Jade vs Tiff/Nia for Clash at the Castle, but I'm just not sure how they will go about that.
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Post by J is Justice on May 18, 2024 6:47:25 GMT -5
I think Tiffany was originally supposed to win. That Jade/Na match was too weird, lol.
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on May 18, 2024 6:57:07 GMT -5
This is why I have some sympathy for Tiffy fans and why I have been so elated to get Dmg Cntrl away from SD because of the world beaters booking and just how insanely protected they are.
Would have been one thing had Tiffy been caught in a quick sneaky pin that caught her off guard but instead Bianca on 1 leg gets all her shit in plus her finisher lol.
Someone laid out a stat it was something like Bianca hasn't been pinned clean since Charlotte in NXT which if I got that right is in f***ing sane.
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Post by mistery on May 18, 2024 8:26:04 GMT -5
This is why I have some sympathy for Tiffy fans and why I have been so elated to get Dmg Cntrl away from SD because of the world beaters booking and just how insanely protected they are. Would have been one thing had Tiffy been caught in a quick sneaky pin that caught her off guard but instead Bianca on 1 leg gets all her shit in plus her finisher lol. Someone laid out a stat it was something like Bianca hasn't been pinned clean since Charlotte in NXT which if I got that right is in f***ing sane. I mean no, not really. Last time Bianca was pinned clean I think was during the pandemic era, or at Summerslam against Becky when she returned. As for Tiffany, people are finally starting to put two and two together in that Bianca pretty much just superwomans everything and it kills their heat. I do think Tiffany is basically a lock to get the MITB case though.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 18, 2024 9:18:33 GMT -5
Tiffany will be fine, she’s the cream of the crop. She’s only been up for a cup of coffee in the big time at this point. The cream always rises to the top.
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Post by asuka007 on May 18, 2024 9:52:27 GMT -5
I remember those reports that came out awhile back that said that WWE was caught off guard by how quickly Tiffany had gotten over. And her booking sure makes it seem like that is the case. It feels like they did not expect her to get this over this soon, so they don’t really now what to do with her right now.
Heck she has not won a match on TV since MARCH (after a hot start). They need to give her a firm direction soon imo.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on May 18, 2024 10:07:11 GMT -5
Tiffany will be fine, she’s the cream of the crop. She’s only been up for a cup of coffee in the big time at this point. The cream always rises to the top. I think her booking and opportunities have generally been decent for a new person on the main roster, but I do think Jade, also only up for a cup of coffee, being on the same show hasn't done her any favours, and her positioning has worsened these past couple of months as a result. A couple of months ago it was looking like 'new Charlotte', but now it's looking more like 'next Carmella'.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on May 18, 2024 10:12:50 GMT -5
I remember those reports that came out awhile back that said that WWE was caught off guard by how quickly Tiffany had gotten over. And her booking sure makes it seem like that is the case. It feels like they did not expect her to get this over this soon, so they don’t really now what to do with her right now. Heck she has not won a match on TV since MARCH (after a hot start). They need to give her a firm direction soon imo. The weird thing is, they had her finish 4th in the Rumble when still officially in NXT, had her initially go 5-0 on Smackdown and qualify for the Elimination Chamber only 3 weeks after being called up, all whilst getting lukewarm reactions, so they were trying to make her stand out - yet the moment she gets a reaction, she can barely win. It's March 8th since her last TV win, so that sounds worse, as it could have been March 29th with your passage, 10 weeks and counting - she probably won't be on the Saudi Smackdown show outside potential interference, so we'll be in June in no time.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 18, 2024 10:26:08 GMT -5
I remember those reports that came out awhile back that said that WWE was caught off guard by how quickly Tiffany had gotten over. And her booking sure makes it seem like that is the case. It feels like they did not expect her to get this over this soon, so they don’t really now what to do with her right now. Heck she has not won a match on TV since MARCH (after a hot start). They need to give her a firm direction soon imo. The weird thing is, they had her finish 4th in the Rumble when still officially in NXT, had her initially go 5-0 on Smackdown and qualify for the Elimination Chamber only 3 weeks after being called up, all whilst getting lukewarm reactions, so they were trying to make her stand out - yet the moment she gets a reaction, she can barely win. It's March 8th since her last TV win, so that sounds worse, as it could have been March 29th with your passage, 10 weeks and counting - she probably won't be on the Saudi Smackdown show outside potential interference, so we'll be in June in no time. Sure she hasn’t won since March 8th, but she’s really only lost 2 singles matches since then- against Naomi and against Bianca. She’ll be fine.
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Post by asuka007 on May 18, 2024 11:01:36 GMT -5
I remember those reports that came out awhile back that said that WWE was caught off guard by how quickly Tiffany had gotten over. And her booking sure makes it seem like that is the case. It feels like they did not expect her to get this over this soon, so they don’t really now what to do with her right now. Heck she has not won a match on TV since MARCH (after a hot start). They need to give her a firm direction soon imo. The weird thing is, they had her finish 4th in the Rumble when still officially in NXT, had her initially go 5-0 on Smackdown and qualify for the Elimination Chamber only 3 weeks after being called up, all whilst getting lukewarm reactions, so they were trying to make her stand out - yet the moment she gets a reaction, she can barely win. It's March 8th since her last TV win, so that sounds worse, as it could have been March 29th with your passage, 10 weeks and counting - she probably won't be on the Saudi Smackdown show outside potential interference, so we'll be in June in no time. They also gave her NOTHING to do on a two night Mania (but Jade, who had done far less on the MR at that point, did get a Mania match) and this was after her fantastic performance in the Chamber match. She is over NOW. So arbitrarily waiting for some random amount of time is just stupid imo. I’ve never agreed with that philosophy.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on May 18, 2024 11:16:35 GMT -5
The weird thing is, they had her finish 4th in the Rumble when still officially in NXT, had her initially go 5-0 on Smackdown and qualify for the Elimination Chamber only 3 weeks after being called up, all whilst getting lukewarm reactions, so they were trying to make her stand out - yet the moment she gets a reaction, she can barely win. It's March 8th since her last TV win, so that sounds worse, as it could have been March 29th with your passage, 10 weeks and counting - she probably won't be on the Saudi Smackdown show outside potential interference, so we'll be in June in no time. They also gave her NOTHING to do on a two night Mania (but Jade, who had done far less on the MR at that point, did get a Mania match) and this was after her fantastic performance in the Chamber match. She is over NOW. So arbitrarily waiting for some random amount of time is just stupid imo. I’ve never agreed with that philosophy. Yep, I actually thought they were going to roll out Trish or Mickie to ensure she would be on the card coming out of Elimination Chamber and keep the momentum while was shit hot, but they basically responded by keeping her off TV for 5 weeks, and she's definitely been cooled down significantly since then as a result, and it probably will get worse the more she is not winning, and being overlooked in comparison to others. Tiffany Missed Wrestlemania Has never been on any main roster PLE poster Restricted to a house show R1 match in the QotR tournament Was actually removed from the 'Superstars' banner on the website 2 weeks after being called up Never been a 'featured superstar' on the Smackdown ticket page on the website Hasn't won in her last 5 TV matches stretching back to March 8th Jade Made Wrestlemania Wins basically every match, and any loss she suffers will be a case of 'how are they possibly going to have her lose' On every PLE poster Added to the 'Superstars' banner the same day Tiffany was removed Often deemed the main attraction when on the tickets section for Smackdown First Smackdown draft pick and apparently a 'once in a lifetime, generational talent' Then the entrances in Lyon Smackdown - they have Bayley and Naomi come out first, get the 4 irrelevant heels out randomly in the middle, so we can then go back and get more spotlight on Jade and Bianca by coming out last, all over the place and random as hell. She was looking like the actual chosen one in early March, but she's looking like just another women on the roster at the moment. Tiffany is so much better in the ring, younger, seemingly sells more merch, gets good reviews from critics and writers, yet the presentation has definitely been contrasting. If Jade gets a 'she didn't actually look too bad there' then it's high praise, and we couldn't possibly have Jade vs Bianca on free TV this early, but it's no problem at all having Tiffany winning on a House Show which nobody sees to set up a Bianca match on free TV.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 18, 2024 11:45:53 GMT -5
They also gave her NOTHING to do on a two night Mania (but Jade, who had done far less on the MR at that point, did get a Mania match) and this was after her fantastic performance in the Chamber match. She is over NOW. So arbitrarily waiting for some random amount of time is just stupid imo. I’ve never agreed with that philosophy. Yep, I actually thought they were going to roll out Trish or Mickie to ensure she would be on the card coming out of Elimination Chamber and keep the momentum while was shit hot, but they basically responded by keeping her off TV for 5 weeks, and she's definitely been cooled down significantly since then as a result, and it probably will get worse the more she is not winning, and being overlooked in comparison to others. Tiffany Missed Wrestlemania Has never been on any main roster PLE poster Restricted to a house show R1 match in the QotR tournament Was actually removed from the 'Superstars' banner on the website 2 weeks after being called up Never been a 'featured superstar' on the Smackdown ticket page on the website Hasn't won in her last 5 TV matches stretching back to March 8th Jade Made Wrestlemania Wins basically every match, and any loss she suffers will be a case of 'how are they possibly going to have her lose' On every PLE poster Added to the 'Superstars' banner the same day Tiffany was removed Often deemed the main attraction when on the tickets section for Smackdown First Smackdown draft pick and apparently a 'once in a lifetime, generational talent' Then the entrances in Lyon Smackdown - they have Bayley and Naomi come out first, get the 4 irrelevant heels out randomly in the middle, so we can then go back and get more spotlight on Jade and Bianca by coming out last, all over the place and random as hell. She was looking like the actual chosen one in early March, but she's looking like just another women on the roster at the moment. Tiffany is so much better in the ring, younger, seemingly sells more merch, gets good reviews from critics and writers, yet the presentation has definitely been contrasting. If Jade gets a 'she didn't actually look too bad there' then it's high praise, and we couldn't possibly have Jade vs Bianca on free TV this early, but it's no problem at all having Tiffany winning on a House Show which nobody sees to set up a Bianca match on free TV. They’re way more invested in Jade and have a far shorter window of time to push her than they do Tiffany. Jade doesn’t seem like a wrestling lifer and is 31. Tiffany is 25. Also, one is a face and one is a heel. They’re not pushing one over the other, as they’re in different spots entirely.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on May 18, 2024 12:00:56 GMT -5
Yep, I actually thought they were going to roll out Trish or Mickie to ensure she would be on the card coming out of Elimination Chamber and keep the momentum while was shit hot, but they basically responded by keeping her off TV for 5 weeks, and she's definitely been cooled down significantly since then as a result, and it probably will get worse the more she is not winning, and being overlooked in comparison to others. Tiffany Missed Wrestlemania Has never been on any main roster PLE poster Restricted to a house show R1 match in the QotR tournament Was actually removed from the 'Superstars' banner on the website 2 weeks after being called up Never been a 'featured superstar' on the Smackdown ticket page on the website Hasn't won in her last 5 TV matches stretching back to March 8th Jade Made Wrestlemania Wins basically every match, and any loss she suffers will be a case of 'how are they possibly going to have her lose' On every PLE poster Added to the 'Superstars' banner the same day Tiffany was removed Often deemed the main attraction when on the tickets section for Smackdown First Smackdown draft pick and apparently a 'once in a lifetime, generational talent' Then the entrances in Lyon Smackdown - they have Bayley and Naomi come out first, get the 4 irrelevant heels out randomly in the middle, so we can then go back and get more spotlight on Jade and Bianca by coming out last, all over the place and random as hell. She was looking like the actual chosen one in early March, but she's looking like just another women on the roster at the moment. Tiffany is so much better in the ring, younger, seemingly sells more merch, gets good reviews from critics and writers, yet the presentation has definitely been contrasting. If Jade gets a 'she didn't actually look too bad there' then it's high praise, and we couldn't possibly have Jade vs Bianca on free TV this early, but it's no problem at all having Tiffany winning on a House Show which nobody sees to set up a Bianca match on free TV. They’re way more invested in Jade and have a far shorter window of time to push her than they do Tiffany. Jade doesn’t seem like a wrestling lifer and is 31. Tiffany is 25. Also, one is a face and one is a heel. They’re not pushing one over the other, as they’re in different spots entirely. I'm just saying her booking and perceived importance has notable taken a down turn in the past couple of months, that house show relegation last week being a prime example. She very much just seems just another body at the moment, and not particularly special, and from what I have seen on social media and just general perception, and that she barely watched wrestling until she was 19, I'd be quite surprised if Tiffany is still in the business herself post 30, but that would obviously be down to her, and in theory, she could still be here for 10-12+ years plus.
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