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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 16, 2024 21:55:58 GMT -5
I'm asking this from pure ignorance because I know so little about these Mexican federations but why exactly is it that every time I see talks about their partnerships, they're insane or petty as all f***? CMLL is almost 100 years old. AAA is nearing 34 years old, and was formed when Konnan, AAA's founder, and most of the young talent walked out on CMLL and basically left just the older veterans behind, putting CMLL in serious dire straits for a time, and CMLL has neither forgiven nor forgotten that. It's basically like if the WWF and WCW fought for decades and decades, and the bitter feelings and anger that'd crystalize from that.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 16, 2024 22:00:42 GMT -5
I'm asking this from pure ignorance because I know so little about these Mexican federations but why exactly is it that every time I see talks about their partnerships, they're insane or petty as all f***? CMLL is almost 100 years old. AAA is nearing 34 years old, and was formed when Konnan, AAA's founder, and most of the young talent walked out on CMLL and basically left just the older veterans behind, putting CMLL in serious dire straits for a time, and CMLL has neither forgiven nor forgotten that. It's basically like if the WWF and WCW fought for decades and decades, and the bitter feelings and anger that'd crystalize from that. I guess the equivalent would be kinda like if WCW really leaned into being the modern incarnation of the NWA past 1993 or so and never forgave Vince McMahon betraying the territories.
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Post by 06vwgti on Feb 16, 2024 22:02:57 GMT -5
Thank God TK doesn't listen to some posters here. Akayama vs Danielson is a kickass match "Bryan Danielson getting all his dream matches in for his last year of full-time wrestling" is a hell of a thing going on. Just let the man keep having kickass matches with whoever he wants until he goes part-time. I roll my eyes on some random groups on Fecesbook saying Danielson is working for a second rate promotion against a bunch of "no names"
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Post by 06vwgti on Feb 16, 2024 22:04:21 GMT -5
I'm asking this from pure ignorance because I know so little about these Mexican federations but why exactly is it that every time I see talks about their partnerships, they're insane or petty as all f***? CMLL is almost 100 years old. AAA is nearing 34 years old, and was formed when Konnan, AAA's founder, and most of the young talent walked out on CMLL and basically left just the older veterans behind, putting CMLL in serious dire straits for a time, and CMLL has neither forgiven nor forgotten that. It's basically like if the WWF and WCW fought for decades and decades, and the bitter feelings and anger that'd crystalize from that. Yet it feels whatever split happens in Japan, thing's don't seem to get as crazy as what happens in Mexico.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 16, 2024 22:32:58 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa is at the CMLL show tonight as AEW's special representative:
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Post by markymark on Feb 16, 2024 22:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 16, 2024 23:10:48 GMT -5
Do we get Stephanie Vaquor in AEW off this? Or any of the other CMLL girls? Rosa's in action this week, I feel like it's setting her up for someone on the CMLL roster to showcase
La Amapola or La Comandante would be insane lol
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 16, 2024 23:13:15 GMT -5
Idk what the f*** is going on with Dave but ever since he's started skewing more negative towards AEW, it feels like he's lost a lot of people willing to actually source him correct information and he is getting screwed for it Hope those extra hate clicks were worth it dude? That’s quite a leap of logic there, not really supported by anything.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 16, 2024 23:32:16 GMT -5
Idk what the f*** is going on with Dave but ever since he's started skewing more negative towards AEW, it feels like he's lost a lot of people willing to actually source him correct information and he is getting screwed for it Hope those extra hate clicks were worth it dude? That’s quite a leap of logic there, not really supported by anything. There's no leap in logic, Dave hasn't been an AEW Cheerleader by any means but he's been very needlessly negative and making false equivalencies for a few months now and it really feels like he's being fed bullshit more and more The rapid fire reports that keep getting debunked aren't coincidental and it's not even AEW related. Something's up with him. Genuinely feels like someone told him to f*** off somewhere.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 16, 2024 23:45:10 GMT -5
That’s quite a leap of logic there, not really supported by anything. There's no leap in logic, Dave hasn't been an AEW Cheerleader by any means but he's been very needlessly negative and making false equivalencies for a few months now and it really feels like he's being fed bullshit more and more The rapid fire reports that keep getting debunked aren't coincidental and it's not even AEW related. Something's up with him. Genuinely feels like someone told him to f*** off somewhere. It’s a leap of logic to say that any false reports he makes are in any way related to him being slightly negative on AEW business metrics (he usually talks glowingly about the product itself, especially the match quality). Correlation does not equal causation. Plus the AEW thing that may be wrong here is almost definitely fed by Konnan to him too which again would in no way be related to him talking negative about AEW.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 17, 2024 0:03:44 GMT -5
So the source was Konnan.....
OH BOY I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT KONNAN WANTED TO MAKE CMLL LOOK LIKE THE ASSHOLES Seriously, Dave should have thought for a single second before running a story about the CMLL-AEW relation with Konnan as his source. Couldn't possibly be any interests in making himself look as good as possible
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 0:12:48 GMT -5
There's no leap in logic, Dave hasn't been an AEW Cheerleader by any means but he's been very needlessly negative and making false equivalencies for a few months now and it really feels like he's being fed bullshit more and more The rapid fire reports that keep getting debunked aren't coincidental and it's not even AEW related. Something's up with him. Genuinely feels like someone told him to f*** off somewhere. It’s a leap of logic to say that any false reports he makes are in any way related to him being slightly negative on AEW business metrics (he usually talks glowingly about the product itself, especially the match quality). Correlation does not equal causation. Plus the AEW thing that may be wrong here is almost definitely fed by Konnan to him too which again would in no way be related to him talking negative about AEW. I'm saying him being weirdly obtuse about criticisms could chase sources away, it's happened to other guys and I wouldn't be shocked if it happened here. I wasn't confirming it to be the case but I wouldn't be shocked because he's been really like, aggressive lately.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 17, 2024 16:53:03 GMT -5
I really do just want to get back to this; Meltzer should know that Konnan is an unreliable source about anything relating to CMLL and now AEW, he should have known that this was obvious bullshit that he should have triple checked before leaking because now all of the trolls are talking about AEW not allowing any Mexicans on the show unless they're CMLL aligned.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 17, 2024 16:56:37 GMT -5
It's crazy how pretty much every person in the know about Lucha could see right through that report, but Dave couldn't.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2024 18:00:01 GMT -5
Wondering how you can simultaneously go "I'm a journalism" and publish shit you got from Konnan.
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Post by Facetious on Feb 17, 2024 18:46:04 GMT -5
Wondering how you can simultaneously go "I'm a journalism" and publish shit you got from Konnan. Konnan could tell me the earth is round and I'd doubt him.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2024 18:58:01 GMT -5
Wondering how you can simultaneously go "I'm a journalism" and publish shit you got from Konnan. Konnan could tell me the earth is round and I'd doubt him. If Konnan told me there was a snake out front to watch out for, I'd be in an emergency room 20 minutes later asking why nobody told me about the snake while clutching the giant venom-filled lump in my neck.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 17, 2024 19:30:34 GMT -5
If I had the time, I'd search through the forum for all of the other questionable news stories that had come from Konnan. I know there's been several.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 17, 2024 20:22:45 GMT -5
Even if Konnan didn't have a history of lying off his ass, why would you listen to the guy heavily involved in a company's biggest competitor (in a rivalry that "blood feud" might be considered too tame a description) for hot scoops? That'd be like asking Eric Bischoff about WWF deals in 1997. Not exactly the most knowledgeable or objective source. Even if he was talking to AAA or other Mexican wrestlers featured in AEW, he's obviously going to spin it to make CMLL look as bad as humanly possible.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 18, 2024 10:41:06 GMT -5
So apparently the CMLL and no other Mexican wrestlers thing is true, and they can’t wrestle on the same show, according to Alvarez (and VOW pointed out that if you just change Dave’s report from “appear” to “wrestle” then both he and SRS can be right.
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