Fade
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Post by Fade on Feb 24, 2024 0:54:04 GMT -5
Yo remember that exploitive sunny thing he did?
I like Paul as a performer but as a person, he’s carny incarnate.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 24, 2024 4:27:36 GMT -5
Honestly, Bischoff seems like the least scummy out of the three.
Even without the recent allegations it's been clear that Vince has a lot of personal skeletons, on top of cut throat tactics for building up the WWF in the 80s.
Bischoff pulled no punches in trying to beat the WWF in the 90s, with some controversial decisions, but seems clean otherwise. I think he's guilty of trying to rewrite history here and there in his podcasts, but honestly, most of these guys do to an extent.
Heyman was a selfish conman, throwing multiple individuals, and eventually his whole company under the bus in order to personally benefit. There's a whole bunch of stories and accusations about him screwing over people. A lot seem to forgive him because he has a 'great mind for the business' or 'he is a killer promo'. I think both these are true to an extent, but not enough to balance out what he's done to people over the years.
I'm in no way saying what he's done is anywhere close to the horrible shit Vince has done, but I do think Heyman still has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Andew9001 on Feb 24, 2024 5:28:34 GMT -5
He certainly fell upwards. Got fired from WCW, took ECW to its highest highs and then bankrupted the company, his family and himself, was immediately hired by the WWF, eventuallywas taken off the creative team twice and was fired. He then got brought back because of Brock and he's had a cushy job ever since.
He's told a seemingly never ending amount of lies, screwed over not just the wrestlers out of money but office staff and outside contractors including production and video game companies. Yet despite all this people just seem to adore him.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Feb 24, 2024 9:42:55 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what the criteria is.
Paul Heyman helped tons of guys who would’ve never made it, by being awesome at marketing and having an eye for the times. Those guys are still enjoying a semblance of relevance almost 30 years after ECW closed. However, he did all that and then didn’t pay guys.. left them on a sinking ship, so.
Bischoff had ideas and concepts that while short lived, led to WCW being above the WWF in almost all metrics for a considerable period of time. I don’t think there’s much screwy going on with him except for the Flair legal troubles/lawsuit whatever that was.. and maybe him being hellbent on legitimately putting WWF out of business at one point (which would’ve been horrible for the business). He made it possible for guys to get TONS of money and gave them easy schedules cause he knew how valuable they were. He also overpaid people but.. good for those guys right, Lanny?
One of the few times where I think Bischoff might be painted in a more positive light.
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Post by Aceorton on Feb 24, 2024 15:19:55 GMT -5
I was a loyal WWF guy who despised Bischoff in the '90s, so it's insane to be nodding here now in agreement that he's by far the most respectable of the three.
McMahon was off the rails 15-20 years ago (look up some off his mainstream media interviews). Stories were coming to light even before then of horrendous things he'd done and said. The recent allegations/lawsuit just legitimize the aura of derangement, contempt and utter narcissism that he's been giving off for a long, long time.
Heyman is still great on the mic in character, sure, but who cares? He just oozes sleaze. His real-life takes are self-congratulatory, childish and condescending. And to my knowledge, he has never taken any real accountability for the terrible things he did to the people who believed in him.
Bischoff has an ego, and I disagree with 70% of the things he says, but I don't hate him. The harm he has caused is miniscule compared to what the other two are responsible for.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Feb 25, 2024 2:44:47 GMT -5
I was a loyal WWF guy who despised Bischoff in the '90s, so it's insane to be nodding here now in agreement that he's by far the most respectable of the three. McMahon was off the rails 15-20 years ago (look up some off his mainstream media interviews). Stories were coming to light even before then of horrendous things he'd done and said. The recent allegations/lawsuit just legitimize the aura of derangement, contempt and utter narcissism that he's been giving off for a long, long time. Heyman is still great on the mic in character, sure, but who cares? He just oozes sleaze. His real-life takes are self-congratulatory, childish and condescending. And to my knowledge, he has never taken any real accountability for the terrible things he did to the people who believed in him. Bischoff has an ego, and I disagree with 70% of the things he says, but I don't hate him. The harm he has caused is miniscule compared to what the other two are responsible for. Vince and Paul E both have the Jedi mindtrick cult leader bullshit going on. Vince ALSO is an insane and abhorrent sexual predator. Paul took the money and ran. All in all, both horrible people. Bischoff... on the whole his sins were *checks notes*.. bad booking, overpaying EVERYONE in WCW, and giving away Raw results live on air. Yeah, Bischoff is running away with this and I say that as someone who'd want to choke him in real life.
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