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Post by Snaptastic on Mar 3, 2024 6:01:13 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great. Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again. Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa. But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here. Agreed. It seems entirely intentional. I feel a number of posters on here are unironically working themselves into a shoot (brother), simply because they don't personally like the guy.
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Post by Moppy on Mar 3, 2024 6:22:57 GMT -5
Heel Rock is so entertaining that he becomes more palatable over a long segment, for me.
Compared to face Rock doing the exact same thing 1 month ago, which was utterly turgid.
Still reliant on the same old schtick, and still far too repetitive, and weirdly hesitant, compared to his heyday. But eh whatever, he's 51 years old. IMO this segment was still entertaining and did far more good than bad, story-wise, and progressed a few things. That's all I ask.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 3, 2024 8:50:54 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great. Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again. Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa. But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here. Agreed. It seems entirely intentional. I feel a number of posters on here are unironically working themselves into a shoot (brother), simply because they don't personally like the guy. Those roots run deep here now.
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Post by mo on Mar 3, 2024 10:50:40 GMT -5
I don’t doubt they’re intentionally going for a Rock upstaging Roman thing but the problem is that Roman is legit just that uninteresting compared to Rock, imo. I’m not a regular watcher but I can say that I don’t give a flip about Cody finishing his story with Roman, I wanna see Cody and Rock throw down at Mania. I wonder how much hype this match would be getting with Roman doing his usual “acknowledge me 😐” schtick compared to the coverage Rock is getting for lighting it up in on the mic.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 3, 2024 11:41:23 GMT -5
I don't know why they fix this. It was a German fan with a sign that says "The Rocky The." No one who writes German could be an evil fan.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 3, 2024 12:16:50 GMT -5
But it isn't how he always was, that's the crazy part. He was always more than capable of completely stalling someone from being viewed as a threat with one promo (Dear God, it's me Billy) but he was also able to get guys way over as a heel. He got the Hurricane gimmick over for like 3 years after a 3-week feud that was only on Raw. He's rusty and so used to having to try to put himself over because that's what his whole persona is, but also it's the story they're trying to tell and so far they're moving it along either way too slowly or simply. Let's see if they can actually get Roman his juice back. I'll concede the Hurricane feud, but that was such a rare occurrence that I don't know if I'd chalk that up to him actually being good at putting people over as a wrestleguy talent he possessed, and more that things worked out in that one story. But he's been unable to do anything but The Hits since he stopped being full time, and the hits are absolutely worthless for making anyone else in the room matter. I get it's his persona, but a persona constructed to never get anyone else over is a pretty shit persona. I feel like he’s done a good enough job that people wanna see Cody knock is block off. But the Bloodline group itself feels like Rock, Jimmy and Solo doing their thing, Heyman doing his thing, and Roman doing his best Jey Uso. That may be the point, but he does look very little brother compared to the Rock right now.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 3, 2024 12:54:59 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great. Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again. Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa. But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here. 🎯 I flipping love it. Love how he’s interacting with Solo and Jimmy already, love the Roman-Rock dynamic. It’s like Thanos and Darkseid working together. It’s not sustainable. I think they’re going to guage how people react but Roman Vs Rock is absolutely the “Bigga Pitcha” here.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 3, 2024 13:11:45 GMT -5
One of the major complaints with Roman-Rock was that it was a bout with a lot of interest and box office and history around it, but not when everyone really wanted the big finale for Roman-Cody. They'd managed to take a big money match and do it in the worst possible way and possible time.
If they can still continue to build up Roman-Rock in this way, separating it from the title into a matter of ego and bruised pride, all for the good.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 3, 2024 16:26:23 GMT -5
Roman's face: "pls halp"
The segment wasn't the utter worst but Rock's refusal to keep his shtick short is what helped me start REALLY hating him in 2011. For all the complaints about Roman's segments he gets to the point in less than half the time that Dwayne does. And Roman and Solo looked legit done with Dwayne's shit this time. Kinda reinforces how much the rematch feud DIDN'T need Dwayne.
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Post by BRV on Mar 3, 2024 17:49:00 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great. Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again. Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa. But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here. The problem with that is the feud, which should be Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns but for the past three weeks has been Cody Rhodes versus The Rock, becomes Roman Reigns versus The Rock. The Rock should be a side character in the championship storyline, instead he's front and center. Hell, now that he called Seth Rollins a walking clown emoji (like six times), the Rollins-McIntyre feud on Raw becomes about The Rock. He's inching dangerously close to becoming WrestleMania XL Poochie.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 3, 2024 17:54:58 GMT -5
I just have no interest in people babbling on for almost half the show.
That segment could have been half as long.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 3, 2024 18:12:06 GMT -5
I just have no interest in people babbling on for almost half the show. That segment could have been half as long. And it hi-jacked this highly anticipated match too. Awful.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 3, 2024 18:31:01 GMT -5
Even if they're actually intending for Roman to come off as superfluous and overshadowed next to Rock that doesn't change that, y'know, that's awful storytelling? Sure, whatever, set up the cousin match that'll be four minutes long yet still be completely awful, but there are ways to do it that don't involve rendering your top supervillain who's been menacing people for years and has a deeply personal conflict with his challenger completely superfluous to the story to where he feels more like a prop for Cody to knock down and for Rock to betray than an actual character.
Plus if you're really wanting to ramp up Roman's paranoia and distrust toward Rock over overshadowing him then it kind of works better narratively for Rock to not actually be doing that anyway? If Roman turned on Rock tomorrow he'd be right to because Rock in fact is passively insulting him in between at best condescending toward him and at worst actively treating him and the rest of the Bloodline like jokes.
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Post by government mule on Mar 3, 2024 19:06:54 GMT -5
Yeah I've kept quiet on Rocks return stuff because I quite like what's happened thus far (although I totally appreciate they blatantly pivoted due to the visceral reaction to him trying to shoehorn himself into the main event at the expense of Cody, but it's now fixed as far as I'm concerned). I liked that segment, feels like Dwayne's having the time of his life hamming it up out there.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 3, 2024 19:13:22 GMT -5
Even if they're actually intending for Roman to come off as superfluous and overshadowed next to Rock that doesn't change that, y'know, that's awful storytelling? Sure, whatever, set up the cousin match that'll be four minutes long yet still be completely awful, but there are ways to do it that don't involve rendering your top supervillain who's been menacing people for years and has a deeply personal conflict with his challenger completely superfluous to the story to where he feels more like a prop for Cody to knock down and for Rock to betray than an actual character. Plus if you're really wanting to ramp up Roman's paranoia and distrust toward Rock over overshadowing him then it kind of works better narratively for Rock to not actually be doing that anyway? If Roman turned on Rock tomorrow he'd be right to because Rock in fact is passively insulting him in between at best condescending toward him and at worst actively treating him and the rest of the Bloodline like jokes. I think it is great storytelling though if they’re able to both harness Cody’s reactions into a huge climax moment at Mania, while also simultaneously build an interesting route to go after Mania with Rock and Roman (since wrestling never ends, being able to siphon one major feud’s momentum off into another major feud is a plus). As to your latter point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do go with Roman being the face against The Rock.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 3, 2024 19:41:40 GMT -5
I just have no interest in people babbling on for almost half the show. That segment could have been half as long. And it hi-jacked this highly anticipated match too. Awful. No offense to those two, but I imagine the crowd if given the choice will vote for a longer bloodline segment than that match going longer. Yes it's not good to miss your time cues but always double standards with stars in any business. Now if a match/segment gets cut that is much worse (like if matches get cut on a PLE).
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Post by sandrock on Mar 3, 2024 19:45:20 GMT -5
I loved the segment. Yeah Rock repeated himself way too many times, but the big stuff came off great. More storyline progression than I thought there would be too, since they had the set-up for the tag match, Rock saying he's the boss, calling HHH vice president of who gives a shit, and acknowledging Roman all in one segment.
I also laughed at Rock calling the audience crackheads right before the If Ya Smell.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 3, 2024 19:53:37 GMT -5
Even if they're actually intending for Roman to come off as superfluous and overshadowed next to Rock that doesn't change that, y'know, that's awful storytelling? Sure, whatever, set up the cousin match that'll be four minutes long yet still be completely awful, but there are ways to do it that don't involve rendering your top supervillain who's been menacing people for years and has a deeply personal conflict with his challenger completely superfluous to the story to where he feels more like a prop for Cody to knock down and for Rock to betray than an actual character. Plus if you're really wanting to ramp up Roman's paranoia and distrust toward Rock over overshadowing him then it kind of works better narratively for Rock to not actually be doing that anyway? If Roman turned on Rock tomorrow he'd be right to because Rock in fact is passively insulting him in between at best condescending toward him and at worst actively treating him and the rest of the Bloodline like jokes. I think it is great storytelling though if they’re able to both harness Cody’s reactions into a huge climax moment at Mania, while also simultaneously build an interesting route to go after Mania with Rock and Roman (since wrestling never ends, being able to siphon one major feud’s momentum off into another major feud is a plus). As to your latter point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do go with Roman being the face against The Rock. I think Rock is gonna leave mania as a face. I think heel rock will evacirate face Roman crowd reaction wise and it’s gonna be 2015 all over again with Roman
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 4, 2024 7:04:18 GMT -5
I'm a little baffled, I had such an opposite reaction to most here. I thought it was great. Isn't a big part of the point that Roman is feeling diminished by this and his paranoia is ramping up again? Rock going on these long egotistical rambles, making it all about himself, to the point where Roman has to interrupt and grab on to his comfort blanket of acknowledgement? That Rock does so with a flicker of annoyance and fake sincerity? That Heyman is terrified his meal ticket is going to come to blows with him and that a split is going to happen? Even Heyman suspiciously catching Rock not going along with the proper Bloodline gesture at the end. All this to a backdrop that Cody is getting his rematch and the pressure is already on for Roman to deliver again. Everyone's body language seems to be playing it this way. If this isn't how it plays out ultimately then mea culpa. But Rock making himself more important, Roman feeling overshadowed, all that stuff, seems entirely what they're doing here. The problem with that is the feud, which should be Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns but for the past three weeks has been Cody Rhodes versus The Rock, becomes Roman Reigns versus The Rock. The Rock should be a side character in the championship storyline, instead he's front and center. Hell, now that he called Seth Rollins a walking clown emoji (like six times), the Rollins-McIntyre feud on Raw becomes about The Rock. He's inching dangerously close to becoming WrestleMania XL Poochie. Oh, he's already there. I feel like if this was anyone else, (like you know wHHHo) people would be shitting on this in the worst way possible.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 4, 2024 7:07:51 GMT -5
I’m always surprised at how the Hurricane v Rock match gets held with such reverence, given how much we like to deconstruct any win and how it comes about until it means nothing anymore. Like, it’s the most “roll up while being distracted by the entrance music and run-in” finish ever to exist. Literally the one they’d put in the textbook. They don’t even play Hurricane’s music when he wins, they just keep playing Austin’s. Guess I had to be there. People LOVE to talk about how he put Hurricane over like he beat Rock with his chokeslam finisher clean when in reality, Rock was spoon feeding him his ass and was well on his way to a win until Austin showed.
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