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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 13, 2024 21:27:25 GMT -5
All-time first hour.
Second hour was a hot mess from Jericho being pretty bad to a lackluster main event.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 13, 2024 21:29:31 GMT -5
All-time first hour. Second hour was a hot mess from Jericho being pretty bad to a lackluster main event. Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 13, 2024 21:32:20 GMT -5
All-time first hour. Second hour was a hot mess from Jericho being pretty bad to a lackluster main event. Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show It was absolutely a main event still. I don't know why people think it wasn't? It had both women going hard, getting dueling chants, getting a This is Awesome chant going, etc.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 13, 2024 21:34:04 GMT -5
All-time first hour. Second hour was a hot mess from Jericho being pretty bad to a lackluster main event. Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show Nah I disagree hard here That was a great match between two great women's wrestlers that absolutely felt like a main event And why wouldn't you end the show with Mone doing shit with the division?? She was the whole point of the show! Set up her initial rivalries and friendships, that's what it did, while also having a great match in itself.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 13, 2024 21:34:39 GMT -5
The big thing for me tonight was it hitting me that this roster is just insane, every minute it'd hit me even if it's AEW regulars where I have this "holy shit they're here too" vibe. And that's with people on the shelf for various reasons like Omega, Hangman, Fenix, MJF, Cole, Baker, Hayter, and a bunch more. There's probably never going to be a time where they have a majority of these names working at once due to the nature of dis biznes but that they have so much depth is just wild to me. Like TK can randomly say “eh…let’s fly Shibata in this week. f*** it!” The roster depth is absolutely goofy in the best possible way.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 13, 2024 21:36:17 GMT -5
Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show It was absolutely a main event still. I don't know why people think it wasn't? It had both women going hard, getting dueling chants, getting a This is Awesome chant going, etc. Because from a story or star power perspective it wasn’t a main event. Especially on a card with The Elite vs PAC/Penta/Kingston, White/Darby and Joe vs Wardlow for the title. On paper every one of those should’ve main evented over Willow/Riho I get why they did it, open and close with Mercedes but if not for her that match does not main event. Which is too bad, I love Willow and I’m glad she’s getting attention from TK finally but it was transparent as f*** why it main evented
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 13, 2024 21:39:07 GMT -5
It was absolutely a main event still. I don't know why people think it wasn't? It had both women going hard, getting dueling chants, getting a This is Awesome chant going, etc. Because from a story or star power perspective it wasn’t a main event. Especially on a card with The Elite vs PAC/Penta/Kingston, White/Darby and Joe vs Wardlow for the title. On paper every one of those should’ve main evented over Willow/Riho I get why they did it, open and close with Mercedes but if not for her that match does not main event. Which is too bad, I love Willow and I’m glad she’s getting attention from TK finally but it was transparent as f*** why it main evented We just had a 10 page discussion about how Ospreay vs Fletcher shouldn't be a "Main Event" yet it was, not we're gonna start an argument about the girls shouldn't have main evented the show because... there were other stars on the card? So f***ing what if they were. Showcase the division that's now getting a huge boost with a huge star, and have two of your best workers go out there and show why. The crowd loved Riho and Willow too, it did its job, it set up feuds, it showcased five girls in the main event slot, four of which aren't Mone, who didn't wrestle in the match either. We can never actually just be happy about the women's division, there always has to be some type of underlying motive or reason to be cynical. There's a reason it's been near impossible to discuss it for over four years, and stuff like "They only main evented because of Mercedes" is one of them Genuinely, who CARES? It HAPPEND and they f***ing killed it when given the spot. Let's be glad it did instead of being... mad at Mone for helping push the division into a stronger point?? Like c'mon... it's exhausting man.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 13, 2024 21:40:43 GMT -5
Very fun show.
I know people have Jericho fatigue and I get it, but I found his stuff inoffensive.
The Bang Bang Scissor Gang stuff felt like a bit of a pivot to me. Not because that wasn't the end goal but it feels like BCG and The Acclaimed were victims of angle changes so the breakup fell flat.
Mercedes does look like she's having a blast though. I do like the idea of continuing off her history with Willow and leaning into the TBS title it looks like... plus feels like seeds were planted for a feud with Britt as well.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 13, 2024 21:43:58 GMT -5
Because from a story or star power perspective it wasn’t a main event. Especially on a card with The Elite vs PAC/Penta/Kingston, White/Darby and Joe vs Wardlow for the title. On paper every one of those should’ve main evented over Willow/Riho I get why they did it, open and close with Mercedes but if not for her that match does not main event. Which is too bad, I love Willow and I’m glad she’s getting attention from TK finally but it was transparent as f*** why it main evented We just had a 10 page discussion about how Ospreay vs Fletcher shouldn't be a "Main Event" yet it was, not we're gonna start an argument about the girls shouldn't have main evented the show because... there were other stars on the card? So f***ing what if they were. Showcase the division that's now getting a huge boost with a huge star, and have two of your best workers go out there and show why. The crowd loved Riho and Willow too We can never actually just be happy about the women's division, there always has to be some type of underlying motive or reason to be cynical. There's a reason it's bee near impossible to discuss it for four years, and stuff like "They only main evented because of Mercedes" is one of them Genuinely, who CARES? It HAPPEND and they f***ing killed it when given the spot. Let's be glad it did instead of being... mad at Mone for helping push the division into a stronger point?? Like c'mon... it's exhausting man. Because that wasn’t about showcasing Willow and Riho, it was about showcasing Mercedes. And I agree, Ospreay and Fletcher shouldn’t have main evented. I 100% believe that should’ve opened last week and was quite surprised it didn’t. But I was just giving my take man. Different strokes and all. It’s weird being called out as a hater, when I like 98% of what AEW does EDIT: Personally, I would’ve switched the segments. Let Riho/Willow open and the focus be on them then make people wait til the main event for Mercedes debut
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Post by Celgress on Mar 13, 2024 21:43:59 GMT -5
9 out of 10, IMHO.
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Post by BigPoppaNasty on Mar 13, 2024 21:49:31 GMT -5
I'd give this episode an 8. Strong debut for Mercedes putting aside the promo. All of the in ring work was solid, and it bumped up from a 7 to an 8 based on the Bang Bang Scissor Gang ending.
As far as the "best roster ever" discussions, AEW's roster is immensely talented with in-ring workers, but I'm not sure anything will ever compare to that WWE roster in 2002-2003.
There was an actual roster for a single company that had Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Undertaker, Kane Triple H, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Shawn Michaels, Edge, Christian, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, The Dudley Boys, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Bill Goldberg, Booker T, Big Show, Mr. McMahon, Rob Van Dam, etc, etc.
That will never even be approached again.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 13, 2024 21:52:22 GMT -5
It was absolutely a main event still. I don't know why people think it wasn't? It had both women going hard, getting dueling chants, getting a This is Awesome chant going, etc. Because from a story or star power perspective it wasn’t a main event. Especially on a card with The Elite vs PAC/Penta/Kingston, White/Darby and Joe vs Wardlow for the title. On paper every one of those should’ve main evented over Willow/Riho I get why they did it, open and close with Mercedes but if not for her that match does not main event. Which is too bad, I love Willow and I’m glad she’s getting attention from TK finally but it was transparent as f*** why it main evented I can see an argument for Joe/Wardlow, but it's still just Wardlow. The rest was either a heel turn beatdown or a set-up for a match next week where the heel won again. So really, you can have a showcase women's match that builds to other angles still, they do that with men's stuff all the time too. Plus you know, it was actually good as all Riho matches are with people that aren't Toni.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 13, 2024 21:59:39 GMT -5
All-time first hour. Second hour was a hot mess from Jericho being pretty bad to a lackluster main event. Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show AS soon as it was announced as the closer I was like 1) This is for a Mercedes segment and 2) this is like when WWE just put two women in the main event to say they did it rather than because it actually was a main event worthy match. Can't tell quality beforehand but it ended up being a match I really didn't enjoy. From Riho nearly killing Willow with her Northern Lights Suplex to the terrible apron Dragon Suplex where Willow landed cleanly on Riho, it was rough at points.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 13, 2024 22:07:12 GMT -5
We just had a 10 page discussion about how Ospreay vs Fletcher shouldn't be a "Main Event" yet it was, not we're gonna start an argument about the girls shouldn't have main evented the show because... there were other stars on the card? So f***ing what if they were. Showcase the division that's now getting a huge boost with a huge star, and have two of your best workers go out there and show why. The crowd loved Riho and Willow too We can never actually just be happy about the women's division, there always has to be some type of underlying motive or reason to be cynical. There's a reason it's bee near impossible to discuss it for four years, and stuff like "They only main evented because of Mercedes" is one of them Genuinely, who CARES? It HAPPEND and they f***ing killed it when given the spot. Let's be glad it did instead of being... mad at Mone for helping push the division into a stronger point?? Like c'mon... it's exhausting man. Because that wasn’t about showcasing Willow and Riho, it was about showcasing Mercedes. And I agree, Ospreay and Fletcher shouldn’t have main evented. I 100% believe that should’ve opened last week and was quite surprised it didn’t. But I was just giving my take man. Different strokes and all. It’s weird being called out as a hater, when I like 98% of what AEW does EDIT: Personally, I would’ve switched the segments. Let Riho/Willow open and the focus be on them then make people wait til the main event for Mercedes debut I wasn't calling you a "hater", I just think it's tiring how mircoscoped the AEW women's division is and whenever something very clearly positive for the division happens, it has to be picked apart. It's frustrating, because for someone who wants to see these girls showcased and this is a great spot for them to be so, Mercedes being the point or not, it was good for Willow, it was good for Riho, it was good for Julia, it was good for Skye, so why do we have to nitpick the f*** out of it, is my thing It showcased more than Mercedes, it set up plenty, the crowd loved the match and certainly weren't going "WE WANT MERCEDES", so it did its job in many aspects for the girls and the division, and that's what we should be wanting The women's division having that spark to main event and hopefully this being the start of that happening a bit more often, is what we should be focusing on, not the aspect of them "Doing it for Mercedes" imo.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 13, 2024 22:09:22 GMT -5
Because it wasn’t a main event, it was a vehicle for Mercedes to close the show AS soon as it was announced as the closer I was like 1) This is for a Mercedes segment and 2) this is like when WWE just put two women in the main event to say they did it rather than because it actually was a main event worthy match. I disagree, thought they had great chemistry and the crowd seemed to agree Like yeah they did it for Mercedes to get involved later but they also did it for Skye, Julia, Willow, and Riho, who all showcased as much as Mercedes as she integrates into the division They treated their star like a star and treated the women's division in a serious manner and let it close the show where their biggest woman talent they've ever signed debuted. I just don't see what the problem is here... they did what they were supposed to do and by the reactions it did what it was supposed to do for not just Mercedes.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 13, 2024 22:32:26 GMT -5
AS soon as it was announced as the closer I was like 1) This is for a Mercedes segment and 2) this is like when WWE just put two women in the main event to say they did it rather than because it actually was a main event worthy match. I disagree, thought they had great chemistry and the crowd seemed to agree Like yeah they did it for Mercedes to get involved later but they also did it for Skye, Julia, Willow, and Riho, who all showcased as much as Mercedes as she integrates into the division They treated their star like a star and treated the women's division in a serious manner and let it close the show where their biggest woman talent they've ever signed debuted. I just don't see what the problem is here... they did what they were supposed to do and by the reactions it did what it was supposed to do for not just Mercedes. I'm not saying there was a problem. It's what they were supposed to do. Mercedes came off like a big star. Willow/Riho not being main event material was more based on the way TK has poorly handled the women's division in general as the only programs that ever felt main event worthy (even for TV) were Britt/Rosa and Jamie/Toni. Look, I truly hope that Mercedes coming in means TK starts to care about a division he has never seemingly given a second thought to. I would LOVE for him to shut me up and prove me wrong when I say he can't book the women and doesn't care about them. He hasn't given me reason to believe he will but it's what I want most in AEW. As for the match, I seem to be in the minority but it wasn't anything I'd consider good. Neither girl has ever really clicked for me outside of a few matches so maybe that's why.
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Post by Denny Zen on Mar 13, 2024 22:57:50 GMT -5
I think it was pretty clearly a show booked in reverse in terms of what the actual main event was, in the traditional sense.
That said, I thought Willow and Riho absolutely killed it closing the show in the “main event.” Willow is one of my favorite wrestlers in the world of any gender and I’m really hoping she’s able to parlay this into a move up the card. From that shockingly good hardcore tag match to tonight she always delivers when she’s put in a prominent position in the card in my opinion.
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Post by 4real on Mar 14, 2024 4:10:23 GMT -5
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Mercedes & Ospreay promos were great. Liking KORs story so far. Joe v Wardlow, 6 man & Darby v Jay were all great.
Renee immediately burying Wardlow with the “Samoa Joe in action!” Line to start the show was unintentionally hilarious. Okada forcing Alex to sing Happy Birthday to Matthew hilarious on purpose.
Bang bang gang break up I hated. I don’t need to see the Gunns turn on their dad again. They were put together to destroy the Undisputed Kingdom and then ignored them. Rubbish booking.
Jericho & Hook tag team I’m not high on but their match next week should be interesting.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 14, 2024 4:27:24 GMT -5
Bang bang gang break up I hated. I don’t need to see the Gunns turn on their dad again. They were put together to destroy the Undisputed Kingdom and then ignored them. Rubbish booking. I think their hand was forced. Caster went on a pretty bad Twitter tirade and then said he was suspended. Might've had to pull the plug based on what that was. I think they're getting to the endgame quicker, but I don't think they were ever truly planning on fighting UK, they just wanted the group to prevent being attacked again and... didn't gel.
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Post by 4real on Mar 14, 2024 4:32:50 GMT -5
Bang bang gang break up I hated. I don’t need to see the Gunns turn on their dad again. They were put together to destroy the Undisputed Kingdom and then ignored them. Rubbish booking. I think their hand was forced. Caster went on a pretty bad Twitter tirade and then said he was suspended. Might've had to pull the plug based on what that was. I think they're getting to the endgame quicker, but I don't think they were ever truly planning on fighting UK, they just wanted the group to prevent being attacked again and... didn't gel. Ah ok that makes sense if Max is getting suspended. I’m assuming Jay White is done with the Undisputed Kingdom though which again makes no sense. AEW thinks Jay is better as a heel though I assume so I get that.
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