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Post by eJm on Apr 6, 2024 14:17:49 GMT -5
It’s also one of the reasons I’m hugely sure Cody is winning because looking at the roster, who is left for Roman to face before a Rock match the next year? Because everyone else is either a heel, someone he’s beaten before or a woman. And as much as I’d like to see Roman Reigns vs. Bianca Belair, I don’t really see that being the future for Roman. Given Roman's only defended the title three times in the past year it's not like it'd be hard for them to drag it out longer. Lashley, Orton, and, I dunno, Bron could easily get you to next year's Mania with how little work he actually does. I mean, I’ll beat this drum forever but people not mentioning that the last time Roman Reigns faced Seth Rollins there was no true winner for the past 3 years, being one of the only people to not lose to the Tribal Chief since it happened, weirds me out because that felt like the easiest build to something so yeah, that can be one of the three.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 6, 2024 14:33:55 GMT -5
And it isn't like continuing Roman's title reign will benefit whatever challengers he'd hypothetically have, given how every challenger he's had *except* Cody looked like a f***ing doofus in defeat and never recovered. Who are these people who lost to Roman and never recovered? I know you just said literally everyone except Cody but I'm interested to hear the specific reasoning/metrics how some of these names can claim to be worse off because of working with Roman. Because looking at the list it seems to be that many of them benefitted and some even had the peak of their entire careers due to being involved with Roman. Braun Strowman and Bray Wyatt are the only 2 names right away I see who I'd say moved down the card when comparing where they were before Roman feud began v where they were when it ended. Jey/Jimmy/Sami/KO are far better off for working with Roman. Unless you think Jey would be getting these pops without his involvement with Roman? Or Sami was on his way to being the focus of the main events of Survivor Series/RR/EC/WM/NOC anyway without the Roman stuff? KO was going to get a 2nd straight Mania main event and win this time without the Roman effect? Cody would be just as big if he was building to beating Seth for his title and not Roman's? Cena/Brock/Goldberg will always be Cena/Brock/Goldberg. Bryan and Cesaro got boosted back to the main event feuding with Roman after a year or more of midcard stuff. So did Drew actually. I think some of us in our mind jump from 2020 title reign to 2022 Roman feud and forget the 18 months in between when he was having crappy feuds with Corbin and Jinder. Right now he's arguably top 5 hottest people in all of wrestling. Finn's run with Judgment Day is probably the peak of his WWE career. Logan Paul seems to be fine. Seth is main eventing Mania and being cheered over Rock. They all seemed to recover fine. Although I personally don't think getting a main event spot is something you have to "recover" from like it's a bad thing. Maybe if it's something like Billy Gunn getting his face rubbed into an elderly woman's ass and easily losing his only big singles match but cases like that are very rare and more about the person not being main event material anyway. If you're good enough people won't lose faith in you for losing a match. Yeah exactly, Roman and his reign have elevated several stars along the way (plus Roman himself). People that are tired of the reign creatively (which is fair) seem to want to paint it as him ruining everyone when that’s obviously not been the case.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 6, 2024 14:35:51 GMT -5
I feel like just because they eventually recovered a year later after a heel turn isn't really dispelling the idea that Finn and Drew were hurt by the losses to begin with.
And in Finn's case even now basically the only thing keeping him from being the least interesting part of Judgment Day is that McDonagh's in it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 6, 2024 14:43:11 GMT -5
I feel like just because they eventually recovered a year later after a heel turn isn't really dispelling the idea that Finn and Drew were hurt by the losses to begin with. And in Finn's case even now basically the only thing keeping him from being the least interesting part of Judgment Day is that McDonagh's in it. And ignoring that yes Cesaro was kicked back to the midcard after a red hot feud with Seth is Cesaro being in a worse place than he was before feuding with Roman. Also with Finn the Roman match completely killed the Demon gimmick, they even setup a whole new hulk up spot for it (which admittedly was a little silly but the crowd were 100% behind it) only to make it look pointless in the same match. People needing a heel turn and complete gimmick change after losing to Roman to get momentum back were not in anyway helped by Roman.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 6, 2024 14:44:22 GMT -5
And it isn't like continuing Roman's title reign will benefit whatever challengers he'd hypothetically have, given how every challenger he's had *except* Cody looked like a f***ing doofus in defeat and never recovered. Cena/Brock/Goldberg will always be Cena/Brock/Goldberg. Bryan and Cesaro got boosted back to the main event feuding with Roman after a year or more of midcard stuff. So did Drew actually. I think some of us in our mind jump from 2020 title reign to 2022 Roman feud and forget the 18 months in between when he was having crappy feuds with Corbin and Jinder. Drew looked awful after bottling in Cardiff and then having his singalong afterwards be broadcast as part of the PPV, and he got no payback on Solo or any other member of the Bloodline in the aftermath, then dropped back to the midcard and lost multiple times to Gunther in booking that suggested that he was on the way out of the company. He was booked like a bottle job after the feud with Roman and The Bloodline, so I would definately place Drew in a list of those that looked like a f***ing doofus in defeat and never recoved as a face. Just as well he was able to recover by turning heel, as did Finn when he joined JD.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 6, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5
Cena/Brock/Goldberg will always be Cena/Brock/Goldberg. Bryan and Cesaro got boosted back to the main event feuding with Roman after a year or more of midcard stuff. So did Drew actually. I think some of us in our mind jump from 2020 title reign to 2022 Roman feud and forget the 18 months in between when he was having crappy feuds with Corbin and Jinder. Drew looked awful after bottling in Cardiff and then having his singalong afterwards be broadcast as part of the PPV, and he got no payback on Solo or any other member of the Bloodline in the aftermath, then dropped back to the midcard and lost multiple times to Gunther in booking that suggested that he was on the way out of the company. He was booked like a bottle job after the feud with Roman and The Bloodline, so I would definately place Drew in a list of those that looked like a f***ing doofus in defeat and never recoved as a face. Just as well he was able to recover by turning heel, as did Finn when he joined JD. Cesaro was not elevated by feuding with Roman either. He was elevated by having a red hot feud with Seth, that ended when Roman basically shrugged off everything Cesaro did, and then Roman, Jey and Seth beat the shit out of him and sent him back down to the Midcard until he left the company.
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Post by msc on Apr 6, 2024 15:05:58 GMT -5
Drew was f***ed by that loss. Took him over a year to recover.
Balors never recovered. He's third wheel in his own stable now, not wrestling for the world title.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 6, 2024 15:06:46 GMT -5
Drew was f***ed by that loss. Took him over a year to recover. Balors never recovered. He's third wheel in his own stable now, not wrestling for the world title. I think Finn could have rebounded all the way if they'd had him beat Seth... but instead he just got literally and figuratively stomped by him over and over and over and over.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 6, 2024 15:50:42 GMT -5
Drew was f***ed by that loss. Took him over a year to recover. Balors never recovered. He's third wheel in his own stable now, not wrestling for the world title. I think Finn could have rebounded all the way if they'd had him beat Seth... but instead he just got literally and figuratively stomped by him over and over and over and over. I think I've been comparing where people were before facing Roman (in Finn/Drew's cases not even making the Summerslam cards the month before facing him) and others are comparing where they hypothetically would be if they beat Roman. In that case yeah of course winning a world title would be better than losing a world title match. I agree Finn looked terrible with that weird rope breaking thing. And Drew losing at the time I thought was the wrong call. The post I was replying to though said everyone other than Cody was hurt by working with Roman and I don't agree with that at all. Jey and Sami are the main ones I'm interested in hearing the argument how they're worse off from working with Roman. In my opinion without the Roman stuff Jey isn't anywhere close to as popular as he is now and Sami is never a Wrestlemania main eventer or even the smaller shows he headlined without working with Roman.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 6, 2024 15:53:51 GMT -5
I think Finn could have rebounded all the way if they'd had him beat Seth... but instead he just got literally and figuratively stomped by him over and over and over and over. I think I've been comparing where people were before facing Roman (in Finn/Drew's cases not even making the Summerslam cards the month before facing him) and others are comparing where they hypothetically would be if they beat Roman. In that case yeah of course winning a world title would be better than losing a world title match. I agree Finn looked terrible with that weird rope breaking thing. And Drew losing at the time I thought was the wrong call. The post I was replying to though said everyone other than Cody was hurt by working with Roman and I don't agree with that at all. Jey and Sami are the main ones I'm interested in hearing the argument how they're worse off from working with Roman. In my opinion without the Roman stuff Jey isn't anywhere close to as popular as he is now and Sami is never a Wrestlemania main eventer or even the smaller shows he headlined without working with Roman. I think you could argue it with Sami. He definitely got hugely over from the association, but his big triumph happening indirectly on a Saudi show seems to have left him nowhere near as over as he was before and probably would still be if they had just pulled the trigger. I wouldn't say working with Roman hurt him on the whole but he's less of a big deal than he could have been if they hadn't just fed him into the meat grinder like the rest. And going by his statements about how much it bothered him losing even Sami would probably agree with that.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 6, 2024 17:08:19 GMT -5
Another reason why Roman needs to lose the title tomorrow is that the dude cannot elevate anyone anymore as champion with his current character. If someone loses to Roman they either look like a doofus for not gameplanning around Bloodline interferance, a choke artist, or both. Without The Rock being there (who will chew you up and spit you out unless you really step up and bring it), if Roman retains in Philly, then unless the challenger actually wins, nobody facing Roman will look better afterwards.
His last title defence had people heading for the toilets, the concessions and the touch tank, because everyone knew how it would end. If Roman retains, it will benefit nobody and will kill off Cody as a megastar and main eventer. If Cody wins, a whole new world of possibilities opens.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Apr 6, 2024 23:05:00 GMT -5
After tonight I can more confidently say yes. Cody had the same expression as last year, and the accidental spear was a huge hint at what's to come IMO.
Plus Cody is becoming their new Cena, and it would be silly for him to not have his triumphant moment at the 40th WrestleMania just to have Roman beat Hogan's record that a lot of fans probably don't care about as much as some think.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Apr 6, 2024 23:05:15 GMT -5
Cody will win.
I needed to see where Night 1 went for Cody on Night 2.
Cody will win the WWE title.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 6, 2024 23:07:28 GMT -5
Wouldn’t be surprised if tomorrow ended with sad Roman in the ring after having lost the title while Cody celebrates on the ramp.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Apr 6, 2024 23:12:16 GMT -5
Wouldn’t be surprised if tomorrow ended with sad Roman in the ring after having lost the title while Cody celebrates on the ramp.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 6, 2024 23:20:20 GMT -5
Given that keeping the strap on Roman means that Cody is killed stone dead as a main eventer and never reaches the level of megastar, there is no common sense in having Roman retain in Philly. Nah, I think that’s hyperbolic and on the same level of reactions last year. I was right there with you, but they made the right decision. He’s stronger than ever. I want Cody to win. I do. But he wouldn’t be ruined if he lost. Quite simply, after the tag match Cody has to win otherwise he is done as a main event face, and any chance of him becoming a megastar goes down the crapper. Roman retaining the title would be an idiotic decision.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 6, 2024 23:24:37 GMT -5
he's winning that thing tomorrow and i will drop to my knees in a walmart
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 6, 2024 23:25:35 GMT -5
Nah, I think that’s hyperbolic and on the same level of reactions last year. I was right there with you, but they made the right decision. He’s stronger than ever. I want Cody to win. I do. But he wouldn’t be ruined if he lost. Quite simply, after the tag match Cody has to win otherwise he is done as a main event face, and any chance of him becoming a megastar goes down the crapper. Roman retaining the title would be an idiotic decision. The way they laid things really thick tonight means he’s winning.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 6, 2024 23:33:17 GMT -5
The night is always darkest before the dawn.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 6, 2024 23:34:58 GMT -5
Plus Cody is becoming their new Cena, and it would be silly for him to not have his triumphant moment at the 40th WrestleMania just to have Roman beat Hogan's record that a lot of fans probably don't care about as much as some think. Yeah, I couldn't help but notice quite a few boos for Cody tonight in certain spots.
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