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Post by HMARK Center on May 9, 2024 6:47:33 GMT -5
Hangman's music is gonna hit during this match, and it'll lead to an incredibly tense two minutes or so as he decides who he's gonna Buckshot...
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2024 6:58:13 GMT -5
I hope Adam Cole and Mjf reunite when they return to defeat the elite. Adam Cole as heel is butt cheeks, which he also has none.
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2024 6:58:56 GMT -5
Hangman's music is gonna hit during this match, and it'll lead to an incredibly tense two minutes or as he decides who he's gonna Buckshot... The life story of Hangman ,to buckshot lariat your friend or not
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Post by CeilingFan on May 9, 2024 7:15:32 GMT -5
I hope Adam Cole and Mjf reunite when they return to defeat the elite. Adam Cole as heel is butt cheeks, which he also has none. I fear that MJF won't be back until November. The AEW Civil War should be over before that month.
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Post by Kalmia on May 9, 2024 7:42:21 GMT -5
Last time Eddie was in this kind of match he tried to set someone on fire so he should be in every single one of these matches.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 9, 2024 7:46:36 GMT -5
Sitting here wondering how Danielson is going to fake having a bone stick out from his flesh.
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Post by KME on May 9, 2024 8:57:01 GMT -5
All the guys selected make total sense, they've all feuded with current Elite members recently, yet clearly won't be the group that ultimately topple them, as others have alluded to. Even if you want to go the angle of saying they're losers and ignore FTR having the Bucks numbers when the Bucks haven't cheated in recent years, Eddie being a triple champion really recently and Danielson beating Okada last year you should probably in kayfabe be factoring in the fact Tony and Kenny would be picking guys most likely to really damage The Elite in a match type like this, so guys that have genuine beef with them, and someone like Eddie who was attempting to light people on fire the last time he was in one of these matches feels particularly suitable no? It's not like the match is billed as "winner controls AEW!". Maybe they'll go that route but it wasn't the angle they were going for when the guys were picked and tbh comparing guys like Danielson to Mongo of all people is mind boggling.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 9, 2024 9:00:01 GMT -5
Another layer to Danielson being Team AEW I thought was neat was the fact I remembered an interview Tony made some time ago where he had told his father that if something ever happened to him, he'd want Danielson to take over the company. Wish I had time to dig it up to see if I remembered it correctly, but kind cool if I have.
Eddie and Danielson having this blood feud that led to respect and now teaming up to beat The Elite, *chefs kiss*.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 9:16:55 GMT -5
Why not have an All-Star or two that are known winners take an L here? This is akin to WCW sending Steiners, Mongo McMichael, and Steamboat to face the NWO. Where is Page? Where is Mox? Where is anyone else? Apparently mf’ers in the locker room really don’t like Kenny and Tony. EDDIE KINGSTON IS A FORMER TRIPLE CROWN He beat Danielson, Mox, and a slew of others to get that belt, and Danielson to retain it as well, he beat Claudio to get the ROH Belt, and KENTA to get the STRONG Title. He was on the tear of his f***ing career until losing to Okada, one of the best on the planet, literally LAST MONTH. I don't get this constant narrative that Eddie Kingston especially is some loser to you, it sincerely just comes off that you hate the dude as a wrestler and are choosing to ignore the fact this has been brought up multiple times to prove he in fact has beaten that stigma long ago. Hangman was kayfabe suspended and still is, Moxley is in Japan, and comparing Bryan Danielson and Eddie Kingston to Jim Duggan and Mongo McMicheal wrestling wise is insane hyperbole at this point, god bless his soul. Nothing's gonna change your mind on this as you have clearly gone all in on detesting everything about it, but yeah, I don't know what to say at this point, a lot of the stuff you're saying isn't even correlating to what's actually happening. And you clearly have no intention of seeing anything bad in it or ways they could have made it better. If you wanted Eddie and Bryan in this, then maybe you should have kept them RELEVANT to it throughout the last few weeks of tv before reintroducing them to this. But no, Tony doesn’t understand this stuff, so he basically writes Bryan off TV in a match that he leaves him convulsing after a Tiger Driver that forces Ospreay to retire the move only to have him back randomly in 3 weeks to start feuding with the Elite. It is so rushed and unnecessary. Have him come out in THE neck brace (playing up the fact that injuries occur and tail ending off Tony’s neckbrace fiasco), let him talk about how he’s nearing the end and has promises to his children to make it to the end in one piece “but after the Tiger Driver I took at Dynasty, to see these two pricks drop Tony, a non-combatant (again putting over Swerve’s choice of words and reminding the audience of bullet points), on HIS *bleep it out to give it more gravitas* head pisses me off, and I’m inserting myself into ANARCHY IN THE ARENA!!” But no, they don’t play it that way. They just send Bryan out there smiling and walking just fine, getting physical, and missing the opportunity to play up some sympathy for our babyfaces and give our dastardly heels some heat. All while keeping the idea that physicality within the confines of the ring DOES have consequences and stakes. It’s always 2 steps forward, two steps back with Tony. He can’t get out of his own way, and it’s precisely why the company is as cold as ice. And precisely why it is hard to get excited about cool shit that goes down when you know he’s just going to have a hiccup at the 1 yard line.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 9:18:55 GMT -5
Another layer to Danielson being Team AEW I thought was neat was the fact I remembered an interview Tony made some time ago where he had told his father that if something ever happened to him, he'd want Danielson to take over the company. Wish I had time to dig it up to see if I remembered it correctly, but kind cool if I have. Eddie and Danielson having this blood feud that led to respect and now teaming up to beat The Elite, *chefs kiss*. Yes, he did, and I expected that to be used as a means for him to play interim “authority figure #1 or #2” with Omega. Lean into that BEFORE you announce him. That way you’re creating connection and investment before giving the people what they want. The way they presented this was just shit.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 9, 2024 9:54:57 GMT -5
All the guys selected make total sense, they've all feuded with current Elite members recently, yet clearly won't be the group that ultimately toppled them, as others have alluded to. Even if you want to go the angle of saying they're losers and ignore FTR having the Bucks numbers when the Bucks haven't cheated in recent years, Eddie being a triple champion really recently and Danielson beating Okada last year you should probably in kayfabe be factoring in the fact Tony and Kenny would be picking guys most likely to really damage The Elite in a match type like this, so guys that have genuine beef with them, and someone like Eddie who was attempting to light people on fire the last time he was in one of these matches feels particularly suitable no? It's not like the match is billed as "winner controls AEW!". Maybe they'll go that route but it wasn't the angle they were going for when the guys were picked and tbh comparing guys like Danielson to Mongo of all people is mind boggling. Considering that the heel team has won the previous Anarchy in the Arena matches, the Elite probably win here as they ramp up their dickishness over the summer.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 9, 2024 9:57:13 GMT -5
Another layer to Danielson being Team AEW I thought was neat was the fact I remembered an interview Tony made some time ago where he had told his father that if something ever happened to him, he'd want Danielson to take over the company. Wish I had time to dig it up to see if I remembered it correctly, but kind cool if I have. Eddie and Danielson having this blood feud that led to respect and now teaming up to beat The Elite, *chefs kiss*. Yes, he did, and I expected that to be used as a means for him to play interim “authority figure #1 or #2” with Omega. Lean into that BEFORE you announce him. That way you’re creating connection and investment before giving the people what they want. The way they presented this was just shit. Eh, agree to disagree. They have plenty of time to establish that over the two other shows they have this week and all the shows between now and DoN. It'll be fine.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 10:16:30 GMT -5
Yes, he did, and I expected that to be used as a means for him to play interim “authority figure #1 or #2” with Omega. Lean into that BEFORE you announce him. That way you’re creating connection and investment before giving the people what they want. The way they presented this was just shit. Eh, agree to disagree. They have plenty of time to establish that over the two other shows they have this week and all the shows between now and DoN. It'll be fine. There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing.
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Post by Kalmia on May 9, 2024 10:35:10 GMT -5
Give Kingston and Danielson a mic and five minutes each and they'll make it seem like this match is five years in the making.
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Post by CeilingFan on May 9, 2024 10:38:32 GMT -5
Eh, agree to disagree. They have plenty of time to establish that over the two other shows they have this week and all the shows between now and DoN. It'll be fine. There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Bischoff, is that you?
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 10:49:05 GMT -5
There is two A-shows left. No one watches Collision, so anything they do to build to AITA falls on deaf ears. They had time THIS WEEK to flesh out more of the story and didn’t. “Hey kids, Keanu Reeves is going to fight some artificial intelligence” doesn’t exactly hit the same as “this weird computer hacker is being followed by these creepy ‘men in black’ looking dudes while a stranger is on the phone trying to navigate him to safety.” Take the audience for a ride. The beauty of storytelling is that you get to let it flow, taking on a life of its own. When done right, the audience is just hanging on every moment, wondering where it is all leading. They buried the lead by just going straight to the announcement without any of the window dressing. Bischoff, is that you? Is that what he is saying? I don’t listen to him, because he is too much of a WWE grifter. Much like Bubba Ray and, much to my chagrin, Kevin Nash.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 9, 2024 12:40:50 GMT -5
Give Kingston and Danielson a mic and five minutes each and they'll make it seem like this match is five years in the making. If there's two people I can trust to make something out of so little, it's those two.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 9, 2024 12:52:32 GMT -5
If there's a complaint to be had about someone like Eddie, it's the main reasonable complaint I've heard people have about general AEW booking: that you'll often get a crowning moment for some wrestlers, but it feels rare for someone to really break through to the next level. Eddie's won a triple crown and beat each senior member of the BCC between fall and winter of '23-'24, but the follow-up booking still largely has you feeling like he's perpetual underdog Eddie, which makes it feel like he's kind of staying level. He's by no means in a bad place: dude's feuding with Kazuchika-@#$%ing-Okada, for God's sake, and he could easily challenge for the World title at any time and it'd feel legitimate. But it's also true that he's had these big moments that didn't feel like they translated into something much bigger than where he was before, you know? It makes overcoming the BCC guys, especially someone as protected as Moxley, not seem as important.
That said, again, the way the story was presented here was that Kenny and/or FTR put out an open call for roster members to sign up to take on the Elite, so in kayfabe it wouldn't at all be shocking if Eddie physically knocked everyone out of the way as he ran full-speed to sign up first.
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Post by daaave on May 9, 2024 13:21:46 GMT -5
I think Eddie would have worked better if we hadn't seen him since the Okada loss (and the Briscoe loss). He kinda lost to Okada and then was like 'oh well, gonna tag with Copeland for a bit' and now all of sudden he's chomping at the bit to get his hands on Bucks.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 14:34:04 GMT -5
EDDIE KINGSTON IS A FORMER TRIPLE CROWN He beat Danielson, Mox, and a slew of others to get that belt, and Danielson to retain it as well, he beat Claudio to get the ROH Belt, and KENTA to get the STRONG Title. He was on the tear of his f***ing career until losing to Okada, one of the best on the planet, literally LAST MONTH. I don't get this constant narrative that Eddie Kingston especially is some loser to you, it sincerely just comes off that you hate the dude as a wrestler and are choosing to ignore the fact this has been brought up multiple times to prove he in fact has beaten that stigma long ago. Hangman was kayfabe suspended and still is, Moxley is in Japan, and comparing Bryan Danielson and Eddie Kingston to Jim Duggan and Mongo McMicheal wrestling wise is insane hyperbole at this point, god bless his soul. Nothing's gonna change your mind on this as you have clearly gone all in on detesting everything about it, but yeah, I don't know what to say at this point, a lot of the stuff you're saying isn't even correlating to what's actually happening. And you clearly have no intention of seeing anything bad in it or ways they could have made it better. If you wanted Eddie and Bryan in this, then maybe you should have kept them RELEVANT to it throughout the last few weeks of tv before reintroducing them to this. But no, Tony doesn’t understand this stuff, so he basically writes Bryan off TV in a match that he leaves him convulsing after a Tiger Driver that forces Ospreay to retire the move only to have him back randomly in 3 weeks to start feuding with the Elite. It is so rushed and unnecessary. Have him come out in THE neck brace (playing up the fact that injuries occur and tail ending off Tony’s neckbrace fiasco), let him talk about how he’s nearing the end and has promises to his children to make it to the end in one piece “but after the Tiger Driver I took at Dynasty, to see these two pricks drop Tony, a non-combatant (again putting over Swerve’s choice of words and reminding the audience of bullet points), on HIS *bleep it out to give it more gravitas* head pisses me off, and I’m inserting myself into ANARCHY IN THE ARENA!!” But no, they don’t play it that way. They just send Bryan out there smiling and walking just fine, getting physical, and missing the opportunity to play up some sympathy for our babyfaces and give our dastardly heels some heat. All while keeping the idea that physicality within the confines of the ring DOES have consequences and stakes. It’s always 2 steps forward, two steps back with Tony. He can’t get out of his own way, and it’s precisely why the company is as cold as ice. And precisely why it is hard to get excited about cool shit that goes down when you know he’s just going to have a hiccup at the 1 yard line. I'm really glad I don't consume media the way you do because this honestly just reads completely miserable and like you were just waiting for AEW to fail Meanwhile everyone else is excited, I don't know what to tell you, but swiping at me "failing to see the negatives" doesn't really endear me to your arguments either, especially when you're in an echo chamber of your own creation with this and shouting at anyone who dares to enjoy it because you deem it flawed, Tony a terrible booker, and AEW cold and ruined
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