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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 3, 2024 19:41:56 GMT -5
I'd say the 2002-2003 run was the last big Hulk run The mid-2000's run he was more of a novelty act and the Shawn Michael's match and the overselling really highlighted it, he was well past it at that point. You can argue Summerslam 2005 was the last time Hogan drew any real money. The Orton match the next year was a midcard feud and his last in the company. TNA was TNA. The money after the Shawn match he drew was more nostalgia based "Oh my God it's Hulk Hogan" than anything he was actually doing. Shawn set out to make Hogan look like an over the hill geezer who couldn't work anymore, and he succeeded.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 4, 2024 10:14:09 GMT -5
Some of these talking points are pretty tired imo, but I guess worth mentioning in this topic.
Hogan’s transcendence of wrestling didn’t ever really end, as probably up until Cena was absolutely the number one personality in pro wrestling, Hogan was still the one people would’ve generally answered if you asked “what is wrestling?” (that thing Hulk Hogan does) or “name a wrestler”. To that point, he still is probably one of the names out of half a handful of others that would still be mentioned to this day.
The Rock and Cena are probably the last two guys this is going to ever happen with as WWE stopped really marketing singular stars as bigger than the brand post-MNW era. The Rock did it himself by being successful after his wrestling career had largely finished, and Cena it happened to (imo) as a result of WWE being forced to make someone that big of a draw due to the lackluster years after 2001.
Also, as a side note.. I’d challenge anyone on his popularity falling in the 90’s. Whether it be 93 or whatever or late 99, whichever. He was still the bigger than wrestling then too. We don’t really need to re-hash how he for all intents and purposes did usher in the next boom period in the 90’s. Magazine covers, major network news segments, TV Guide covers, movie roles (albeit kinda crappy).
I mean think about it. Go look at video games, movies, commercials, toys, whatever form of media that emulate or depict pro wrestling or pro wrestlers. You’re bound to see a big blonde American guy with a bandana and a fu-manchu.
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Post by SkullTrauma on May 9, 2024 8:26:27 GMT -5
Hogan will always be bigger than wrestling.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 9, 2024 10:07:57 GMT -5
Probably around 1991 post Arsenio. By the start of the TNA commissioner run he was a pure nostalgia act.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 10, 2024 4:47:54 GMT -5
Some of these talking points are pretty tired imo, but I guess worth mentioning in this topic. Hogan’s transcendence of wrestling didn’t ever really end, as probably up until Cena was absolutely the number one personality in pro wrestling, Hogan was still the one people would’ve generally answered if you asked “what is wrestling?” (that thing Hulk Hogan does) or “name a wrestler”. To that point, he still is probably one of the names out of half a handful of others that would still be mentioned to this day. The Rock and Cena are probably the last two guys this is going to ever happen with as WWE stopped really marketing singular stars as bigger than the brand post-MNW era. The Rock did it himself by being successful after his wrestling career had largely finished, and Cena it happened to (imo) as a result of WWE being forced to make someone that big of a draw due to the lackluster years after 2001. Also, as a side note.. I’d challenge anyone on his popularity falling in the 90’s. Whether it be 93 or whatever or late 99, whichever. He was still the bigger than wrestling then too. We don’t really need to re-hash how he for all intents and purposes did usher in the next boom period in the 90’s. Magazine covers, major network news segments, TV Guide covers, movie roles (albeit kinda crappy). I mean think about it. Go look at video games, movies, commercials, toys, whatever form of media that emulate or depict pro wrestling or pro wrestlers. You’re bound to see a big blonde American guy with a bandana and a fu-manchu. I think both things can be true. He was still recognisable outside of wrestling because he'd been just so famous before, but his mainstream popularity had changed, and he wasn't part of the pop culture zeitgeist anymore. He became more relevant again during the NWO angle, but as one of the stars of the late nineties boom rather than the star like he'd been a decade earlier.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 10, 2024 5:40:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say that nothing says you are now a subsumed part of wrestling rather than transcendent of it, quite like the fact you're a go-to character for parodies of pro wrestling. It's not a question of if he's a big or recognizable wrestling star, it's that he's the wrestling star again now. Time has left him hanging around as a pro wrestling guy who was famous forty years ago.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 10, 2024 5:53:20 GMT -5
You can argue Summerslam 2005 was the last time Hogan drew any real money. The Orton match the next year was a midcard feud and his last in the company. TNA was TNA. The money after the Shawn match he drew was more nostalgia based "Oh my God it's Hulk Hogan" than anything he was actually doing. Shawn set out to make Hogan look like an over the hill geezer who couldn't work anymore, and he succeeded. Always thought if it was anyone other than Hogan as his opponent, more people would call Shawn out for being an unprofessional ass in that match by bringing his personal views into a match to sandbag somebody else. I'd be curious to know if Shawn regrets his behaviour from that night
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 10, 2024 5:57:35 GMT -5
Shawn set out to make Hogan look like an over the hill geezer who couldn't work anymore, and he succeeded. Always thought if it was anyone other than Hogan as his opponent, more people would call Shawn out for being an unprofessional ass in that match by bringing his personal views into a match to sandbag somebody else. I'd be curious to know if Shawn regrets his behaviour from that night I agree, as much as I enjoy watching Shawn embarrass Hogan like that. But then it's also unlikely anyone else would have had the political sway to screw Shawn over like that in the first place, either.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 10, 2024 10:41:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say that nothing says you are now a subsumed part of wrestling rather than transcendent of it, quite like the fact you're a go-to character for parodies of pro wrestling. It's not a question of if he's a big or recognizable wrestling star, it's that he's the wrestling star again now. Time has left him hanging around as a pro wrestling guy who was famous forty years ago. Yep. In the 80s or even 90s Hogan could have gone on a talk show and done an entire interview without mentioning wrestling. He could talk about hanging with Stallone, or Mr T on set of the A Team. He could have done SNL with no wrestling skits or mentions. He was more than wrestling. Example of how he lost this was Muppets from Space. Hogan had a cameo but instead of playing an actual role he was just Hollywood Hogan. He even cut an NWO promo. Just a wrestler now. The closest he came to this after 98 or so was when he had his reality show. But with the glut of that trash on tv he just came off as a wrestler trying to break out.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 10, 2024 15:25:16 GMT -5
1993. He was embroiled in scandals, made himself the public face of steroid abuse by denying and trying to sidestep obvious steroid abuse on what was meant to be a PR tour of the media, Suburban commando and Thunder in paradise did meh and his big return to the WWF didn't really move the needle for them. If it had the WWF would have clung to him like he was made from an alloy of gold and ICOPRO.
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Post by mountaindew on May 10, 2024 15:48:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say that nothing says you are now a subsumed part of wrestling rather than transcendent of it, quite like the fact you're a go-to character for parodies of pro wrestling. It's not a question of if he's a big or recognizable wrestling star, it's that he's the wrestling star again now. Time has left him hanging around as a pro wrestling guy who was famous forty years ago. Yep. In the 80s or even 90s Hogan could have gone on a talk show and done an entire interview without mentioning wrestling. He could talk about hanging with Stallone, or Mr T on set of the A Team. He could have done SNL with no wrestling skits or mentions. He was more than wrestling. Example of how he lost this was Muppets from Space. Hogan had a cameo but instead of playing an actual role he was just Hollywood Hogan. He even cut an NWO promo. Just a wrestler now. The closest he came to this after 98 or so was when he had his reality show. But with the glut of that trash on tv he just came off as a wrestler trying to break out. Actually, when a celebrity does a cameo in a film or TV show, and they play themself, that's pretty big. It's banking on the fact that most people already know who they are. Him acting as a wrestler wasn't a sign of him not transcending the business.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 10, 2024 16:10:26 GMT -5
I'm going 92. His popularity as slowing down by than. We saw a lot of the changes going on with the hint of retiring at WM 8. 93 was one last WWE attempt as the guy based on ego. We saw how that ended. His WCW run while for a moment improved numbers but fans grew sick of his fast The NWO angle as a whole added life into his career, was he larger than wrestling? Not really. Following that yes he was a great run in 2002 to WM 19 in 03. Everything after that was pretty forgettable. His reality show became a flop. His TNA run didn't have the impact he thought he would have.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 10, 2024 16:43:31 GMT -5
Yep. In the 80s or even 90s Hogan could have gone on a talk show and done an entire interview without mentioning wrestling. He could talk about hanging with Stallone, or Mr T on set of the A Team. He could have done SNL with no wrestling skits or mentions. He was more than wrestling. Example of how he lost this was Muppets from Space. Hogan had a cameo but instead of playing an actual role he was just Hollywood Hogan. He even cut an NWO promo. Just a wrestler now. The closest he came to this after 98 or so was when he had his reality show. But with the glut of that trash on tv he just came off as a wrestler trying to break out. Actually, when a celebrity does a cameo in a film or TV show, and they play themself, that's pretty big. It's banking on the fact that most people already know who they are. Him acting as a wrestler wasn't a sign of him not transcending the business. Actually you dont understand my point. This isnt Hulk Hogan making a cameo in Gremlins 2 threatening to beat them up. Thats the kind of cameo you are referring to. This was Hulk Hogan playing himself cutting an NWO promo in the middle of a movie. Its comes out of nowhere and is completely useless. It gives the impression that you shouldnt know who this guy is so lets tell you directly who he is and what he does. Look at The Muppet Movie. Steve Martin does a cameo as a waiter. Does he do a commercial for the Jerk? Or maybe sing King Tut? No because they expect you to know who this celebrity is and enjoy his little cameo. Same with Hogan in Gremlins 2. Not so by Muppets from Space. By that point it was here is this wrestler and where he wrestles.
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Post by mountaindew on May 10, 2024 17:10:47 GMT -5
Actually, when a celebrity does a cameo in a film or TV show, and they play themself, that's pretty big. It's banking on the fact that most people already know who they are. Him acting as a wrestler wasn't a sign of him not transcending the business. Actually you dont understand my point. This isnt Hulk Hogan making a cameo in Gremlins 2 threatening to beat them up. Thats the kind of cameo you are referring to. This was Hulk Hogan playing himself cutting an NWO promo in the middle of a movie. Its comes out of nowhere and is completely useless. It gives the impression that you shouldnt know who this guy is so lets tell you directly who he is and what he does. Look at The Muppet Movie. Steve Martin does a cameo as a waiter. Does he do a commercial for the Jerk? Or maybe sing King Tut? No because they expect you to know who this celebrity is and enjoy his little cameo. Same with Hogan in Gremlins 2. Not so by Muppets from Space. By that point it was here is this wrestler and where he wrestles. I get your point, but I think you're reading too much into it. I didn't see that Muppet movie, but Hogan playing his wrestling character probably enhanced the movie. If viewers weren't supposed to know who Hogan was, couldn't that part have been played by anyone? Why Hogan?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 10, 2024 17:12:05 GMT -5
Always thought if it was anyone other than Hogan as his opponent, more people would call Shawn out for being an unprofessional ass in that match by bringing his personal views into a match to sandbag somebody else. I'd be curious to know if Shawn regrets his behaviour from that night I agree, as much as I enjoy watching Shawn embarrass Hogan like that. But then it's also unlikely anyone else would have had the political sway to screw Shawn over like that in the first place, either. it is also the only way that match was at all going to be watchable. without the Mr. Perfect overselling the match wasn't going to be any kind of watchable.
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Post by floundertime on May 10, 2024 21:40:29 GMT -5
Probably around 1991 post Arsenio. By the start of the TNA commissioner run he was a pure nostalgia act. I agree about the TNA thing. Once he was there he lowered himself into the minor leagues. This lowered his profile
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Post by 4real on May 11, 2024 4:04:20 GMT -5
“Never brother, the Hulkster is always inspiring everybody in wrestling dude. That Will Omega man asked me to show him the leg drop brother. And I slammed that 900 pound giant Edward James Omos brother. HHH is always calling me Jack but the Hulkster ain’t travelling to no European countries like France & Cuba man. That don’t work for me brother.
And that cat Joe Hendry wanted me to play bass for him dude on his number 1 hit single in 24 countries jack”
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 11, 2024 6:11:39 GMT -5
Probably around 1991 post Arsenio. By the start of the TNA commissioner run he was a pure nostalgia act. I agree about the TNA thing. Once he was there he lowered himself into the minor leagues. This lowered his profile Let's not pretend Hogan was harmed by Impact, he was already a washed up reality TV star at that point, and he and Bischoff were behind Impact's collapse. Impact was at it's peak when Hogan joined, they were getting ratings high enough to keep spike happy, they'd had a videogame and action figures even with weak creative decisions, and the wheels fell off because of the things Hogan et al pushed. He turned the #2 promotion in North America into a dying indie, one that was turning a profit into one gushing blood.
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