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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 6, 2024 9:02:26 GMT -5
Drake running to his ghostwriters shouting "We need to do a song about how we DO NOT diddle kids!"
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 6, 2024 9:02:30 GMT -5
Come on, it’s obvious Kendrick is benefiting from an “oh, he’s a *real* hip hop artist, he’s so socially conscious, not like that shallow and overly commercialized Drake!” perception. He’s already got an in built bias towards him from the highbrow music critics. It’s not exactly a fair fight for the OVO side. So that excuses him signing a sex trafficker to a record deal straight out of prison despite the dude having made no music previously & the other weird behavior with teenage women? Forget the social media rumors, the Hailey Baldwin stuff alone is SO weird. Also, oh no the pop star who keeps talking shit and mentioning people's partners is getting bodied on wax by a guy who he's been sending shots at for a decade. Which is why everyone says Meek won.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 6, 2024 9:07:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure what's insaner about the Millie Bobby Brown line; that he's throwing out a specific denial that Kendrick never got anywhere close to and bringing on even more questions, or that putting himself onto the Millie fire is still preferrable to try and shift the conversation away from the accusation Drake has a named-in-the-song guy who scouts around for teenagers to bring back to Drake's mansion. And the most insane thing is that the MBB line isn't even the grossest thing that Drake randomly brought up in that verse. Drake mentioned a different notorious sex pest than Kendrick did which is WAY more damning. I really think that the rumors that he locked himself in and is only communicating via 2-ways might actually have some merit because there is no way anyone could have said "yeah, make fun of Kenny for his mom's assault and compare yourself to Epstein" was gonna hit
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Post by Mozenrath on May 6, 2024 9:23:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure what's insaner about the Millie Bobby Brown line; that he's throwing out a specific denial that Kendrick never got anywhere close to and bringing on even more questions, or that putting himself onto the Millie fire is still preferrable to try and shift the conversation away from the accusation Drake has a named-in-the-song guy who scouts around for teenagers to bring back to Drake's mansion. And the most insane thing is that the MBB line isn't even the grossest thing that Drake randomly brought up in that verse. Drake mentioned a different notorious sex pest than Kendrick did which is WAY more damning. I really think that the rumors that he locked himself in and is only communicating via 2-ways might actually have some merit because there is no way anyone could have said "yeah, make fun of Kenny for his mom's assault and compare yourself to Epstein" was gonna hit It's the defense of "I do not really have a great comeback on A, so let me try to shift it to B where I feel like I have firmer footing", only B is honestly just kind of making it look shadier.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 6, 2024 9:31:44 GMT -5
Come on, it’s obvious Kendrick is benefiting from an “oh, he’s a *real* hip hop artist, he’s so socially conscious, not like that shallow and overly commercialized Drake!” perception. He’s already got an in built bias towards him from the highbrow music critics. It’s not exactly a fair fight for the OVO side. ... Drake is the biggest rapper in the world. He had a ton of influencers built in on his side, has won rap feuds before, and again, is very well liked in the mainstream. He chose to get into it with a Pulitzer Prize winner. He chose to do this despite the lashing he got from Pusha T. He even attempted a full media rollout for "Family Matters"; he called influencers to stream it, he called media contacts to hype it. He was warned in two songs, and went for it anyway. He lost because he doesn't have Kendrick's range, skill, or prep time. And because he somehow pissed off a bunch of Atlanta rappers/producers, including Metro Boomin', and I don't remember anytime I've seen him pissed off. The bias was on HIS side.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 6, 2024 10:30:23 GMT -5
I barely even know what's going on, I just love haterade.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 6, 2024 10:35:33 GMT -5
I'll give Drake this, I don't like this new song but overall he's put up a good fight. Ultimately I think this will be remembered more like a Nas v Jay-Z (most agree one guy won but still acknowledge the other had good tracks too) rather than say Drake/Meek or Pusha/Drake with one side getting completely stomped.
Kendrick had the edge from the very beginning though because Drake seems to be jealous of him in a way that Kendrick isn't of Drake. Kendrick clearly doesn't crave Drake's spot. He could've re-made DAMN or a more poppy sounding release every couple years for the easy streams/sales like Drake does. He chose to go in the complete opposite direction with Mr. Morale though.
On the other hand it clearly eats at Drake that he's not as respected as a rapper as Kendrick ("Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone hand him a Grammy" is a legit funny line though). In 20-30 years when they're both retired and people are listing say the 50 greatest hip-hop albums of all-time 3 or 4 of Kendrick's are very likely to be mentioned while Drake would struggle to make the list once. Drake doesn't just want to be top selling he wants the critical darling status that Kendrick has too but his albums have been mediocre for years now. This fake Toronto mob boss persona he tries to put across isn't doing him any favors either.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 6, 2024 10:42:09 GMT -5
J. Cole: “This is getting too wild, I’m out.”
The hip hop community: “You’re being a wimp, Cole! Rap is a sport!”
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Post by chazraps on May 6, 2024 11:07:32 GMT -5
Come on, it’s obvious Kendrick is benefiting from an “oh, he’s a *real* hip hop artist, he’s so socially conscious, not like that shallow and overly commercialized Drake!” perception. He’s already got an in built bias towards him from the highbrow music critics. It’s not exactly a fair fight for the OVO side. No he's really not. You're forgetting how Drake winning the feud with Meek Mill cemented him among everyone from critics to the streets as someone who could really take it to someone in a battle if he had to. It's been a (albeit small, but still there) since the Common beef and diss records super early in his career. Drake's also the nonstop ubiquitous presence as a certified hitmaker in the genre. Drake may not have a Pultizer, but in terms of the music industry these are two hip-hop heavyweights. Do some people perhaps really want to see Kendrick destroy Drake? Of course. But people *really* wanted to see Meek Mill destroy Drake and "Back 2 Back" was universally acknowledged and celebrated as the knockout blow. Drake's almost in the Eminem radius of the wide spectrum of listeners where he's a commercial juggernaut regardless of personal preference, but absolutely everybody will stop what they're doing and listen to his diss records no matter what. It's a much fairer fight than most realize when just comparing the catalog consistency.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 6, 2024 11:19:44 GMT -5
Come on, it’s obvious Kendrick is benefiting from an “oh, he’s a *real* hip hop artist, he’s so socially conscious, not like that shallow and overly commercialized Drake!” perception. He’s already got an in built bias towards him from the highbrow music critics. It’s not exactly a fair fight for the OVO side. No he's really not. You're forgetting how Drake winning the feud with Meek Mill cemented him among everyone from critics to the streets as someone who could really take it to someone in a battle if he had to. It's been a (albeit small, but still there) since the Common beef and diss records super early in his career. Drake's also the nonstop ubiquitous presence as a certified hitmaker in the genre. Drake may not have a Pultizer, but in terms of the music industry these are two hip-hop heavyweights. Do some people perhaps really want to see Kendrick destroy Drake? Of course. But people *really* wanted to see Meek Mill destroy Drake and "Back 2 Back" was universally acknowledged and celebrated as the knockout blow. Drake's almost in the Eminem radius of the wide spectrum of listeners where he's a commercial juggernaut regardless of personal preference, but absolutely everybody will stop what they're doing and listen to his diss records no matter what. It's a much fairer fight than most realize when just comparing the catalog consistency. Just because the public considers Drake a solid competitive MC doesn’t mean that Kendrick isn’t being boosted by the large numbers of pop music critics (hip hop focused and otherwise) who consider him as the socially aware alternative. Kendrick makes the kinds of albums that many music writers wish (and have wished for, throughout the many decades of rock) made up the majority of the Billboard charts. That’s not a slight against K Dot’s work, just an observation.
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Post by chazraps on May 6, 2024 11:23:22 GMT -5
I'll give Drake this, I don't like this new song but overall he's put up a good fight. Ultimately I think this will be remembered more like a Nas v Jay-Z (most agree one guy won but still acknowledge the other had good tracks too) rather than say Drake/Meek or Pusha/Drake with one side getting completely stomped. Alright, while we're on the subject, an interesting by-product of this latest conflict is how it's gotten people to revisit classic beefs in history and seeing (not you but) the much younger hip-hop generations who weren't alive when Jay vs Nas happened is kind of fun to see those debates come up in new fresh ways. I think the two big things people really forget about the JAY-Z vs Nas feud is that: 1) What benefitted Nas the most was the feeling that "Ether" was Nas being *back*. It can't be overstated what a terrible album 1999's 'NAStradamus' was. So many shitting attempts to crossover that went nowhere. It almost sounds like it was made in direct contempt for Nas' own fans. The 'I Am...' album earlier that year has similar issues but enough strong tracks AND the understandable pivoting as it was the very first album to really be hit with early MP3 bootlegging so the double album had to be turned to a single disk with multiple tracks rushed on the fly to meet the street date but I digress. Then Nas spent 2000 doing some embarassing guest appearances, shit like "Oochie Wally" wasn't even considered a bad record, just Nas was so out of place on it. Then the "Stillmatic" freestyle seemed promising, Jay dedicates a single verse on "Takeover" to taking him out and then NaS hits back harder than even the biggest Nas stans could have predicted at the time with "Ether." The sheer zeal for "Nas is back" allowed people to overlook the weaker parts of that record that listening with 2024 ears bring up, but timing is everything and it was the perfect response. 2) Then "Super Ugly" leaked waaaaaay too early (this was just after 9/11 just after Napster music industry) so it hit radio sounding unfinished like it came through a wet telephone and the let down of it made Nas the winner. I still think "Takeover" is more potent, and 'Stillmatic' has some of the worst rap songs ever released by a major label on it (the song "Braveheart Party" was so bad that, without announcement, the label quietly swapped it with a different song from the second pressing onward), but it's really the story of Nas' redemption. Also, I'm glad the pendulum has swung all the way back to show LL Cool J on every level beat Canibus. It wasn't just "he has the major label machine behind him." As great as "Second Round K.O." was, "The Ripper Returns" was a line-for-line bar-for-bar rebuttal that took out Canibus and still left strong jabs in for Wyclef and Tyson. Very underrated in the grand scheme of things. Then Canibus' "Rip the Jacker" came out, and as cool and inventive as it was to hear Canibus rhyming over Cool J's "I'm B.A.D.," the lyrics were just absolutely *NOT* there. He flopped hard right on his face.
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Post by chazraps on May 6, 2024 11:25:00 GMT -5
No he's really not. You're forgetting how Drake winning the feud with Meek Mill cemented him among everyone from critics to the streets as someone who could really take it to someone in a battle if he had to. It's been a (albeit small, but still there) since the Common beef and diss records super early in his career. Drake's also the nonstop ubiquitous presence as a certified hitmaker in the genre. Drake may not have a Pultizer, but in terms of the music industry these are two hip-hop heavyweights. Do some people perhaps really want to see Kendrick destroy Drake? Of course. But people *really* wanted to see Meek Mill destroy Drake and "Back 2 Back" was universally acknowledged and celebrated as the knockout blow. Drake's almost in the Eminem radius of the wide spectrum of listeners where he's a commercial juggernaut regardless of personal preference, but absolutely everybody will stop what they're doing and listen to his diss records no matter what. It's a much fairer fight than most realize when just comparing the catalog consistency. Just because the public considers Drake a solid competitive MC doesn’t mean that Kendrick isn’t being boosted by the large numbers of pop music critics (hip hop focused and otherwise) who consider him as the socially aware alternative. Kendrick makes the kinds of albums that many music writers wish (and have wished for, throughout the many decades of rock) made up the majority of the Billboard charts. That’s not a slight against K Dot’s work, just an observation. But "pop music critics" are not the target audience for this feud so it's wholly irrelevant to the battle. There's no "boost" from that.
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Post by uewfigfed on May 6, 2024 11:46:45 GMT -5
I'll give Drake this, I don't like this new song but overall he's put up a good fight. Ultimately I think this will be remembered more like a Nas v Jay-Z (most agree one guy won but still acknowledge the other had good tracks too) rather than say Drake/Meek or Pusha/Drake with one side getting completely stomped. Kendrick had the edge from the very beginning though because Drake seems to be jealous of him in a way that Kendrick isn't of Drake. Kendrick clearly doesn't crave Drake's spot. He could've re-made DAMN or a more poppy sounding release every couple years for the easy streams/sales like Drake does. He chose to go in the complete opposite direction with Mr. Morale though. On the other hand it clearly eats at Drake that he's not as respected as a rapper as Kendrick ("Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone hand him a Grammy" is a legit funny line though). In 20-30 years when they're both retired and people are listing say the 50 greatest hip-hop albums of all-time 3 or 4 of Kendrick's are very likely to be mentioned while Drake would struggle to make the list once. Drake doesn't just want to be top selling he wants the critical darling status that Kendrick has too but his albums have been mediocre for years now. This fake Toronto mob boss persona he tries to put across isn't doing him any favors either. This is gonna be a long one. For starters, Drake WON, on MULTIPLE FRONTS. He made Rick Ross, Metro Boomin (who momentarily got chesty but went back silent lol) a$ap Rocky, and the Weeknd complete non-factors, all the while fighting hip hops Goku in Kendrick On some Broly shit. Successfully manipulated Kendrick into a massive misstep, defended himself and doubled down on his claims that to this very moment NOT A SOUL in Kendrick’s camp nor Kendrick have addressed in any fashion. Unfortunately, by even doing this DUMBASS “tactic” to begin with, he’s stuck hearing “O-V-Hoe!!!” Allllllll summer lol Barwise I think his best offerings are: “Metro shutcho’ hoe ass up and make some drums n***a” “How the f*** you big steppin with a size 7 mens on” “What’s a Prince to a King? He a son n***a” “You the Black Messiah wifin’ up a Mixed Queen” “Ross callin me the WHITE BOY and the shit kinda got a ring to it; Cuz all these rappers wavin’ white flags while the whole duckin club ain’t to it” “You right about f*** the Big 3, it’s only BIG D and there’s video proof” “When you put your hands on your girl, was it self defence cuz she’s bigger than you” “They hired a crisis management team to clean up the fact you beat up your queen” “Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone come hand him a Grammy right now” “What about the bones we dig up in that excavation? and why ain’t Whitney denying any of the allegations” “If you still bumpin R Kelly? you can thank “The Saviour” “And Whitney you could hit me if you need a favour, And when I say “I’ll hit you back” it’ll be a lot safer” Win, lose, or draw, even Drakes harshest critics now have no choice to admit one thing..He can actually spit bars when motivated, and took on a very clear resentment filled industry that does not like him for a myriad of reasons (the real ones he’s Canadian FUI) , but had zero issue using his influence in a transactional manner to benefit themselves. He represented our country and THE CULTURE very well, and should hang a feather in the cap. IF THIS IS THE END. Now for Kendrick, this was his game to lose from the absolute second it was go time. Heralded as THE GUY, and a clear opposite to Drake, he became the anti-Drake sentiments spearhead, and definitely took a more cerebral approach in trying to take apart the image of Drake. Even with possible disqualification via false info, “6:16 in LA” & “Meet The Grahams” we’re absolute kill shots from a lyrical standpoint, and Kendrick more than lived up to any and all hype that’s surrounded him. The negatives are the potential missteps which he built his battle plan around (Fatherhood claims while avoiding the shots back, the fake daughter, claiming Drake had to mole when he got played) really take the punch out of his usually powerful words. “Everybody wanna be “Demon” (De^mun) til they get chipped by a throwaway” “You know I got language barriers, there’s no accent you could sell me” “I pray they my real friends, if not?? I’m YNW Melly” “How many more black features you need til you feel black enough” “Headshot for the year, you better walk around like you Daft Punk” “Can’t toosie slide outta this one” “Certified Lover Boy? Certified Pedophile” “Tryna strike a chord and it’s probably A MINORRRRR” “f***ed on Wayne’s girl when he was in jail..that’s conniving, Then he get his face tatted like a bitch apologizing” “Devil is a liar, he a 6-9 God” Regardless of who you believe won or lost, we can come to unison on one solid fact: We just witnessed history. This was bigger than Jay Vs Nas in terms battling for the “crown”, better than Biggie Vs Tupac as there hasn’t been violence or lives lost (YET!!), and a TRUE back and forth. We saw the culture send shockwaves through SOCIETY, being mentioned at NASCAR and things it the like.There was no curbstomps, just two of the best in their prime going back to the raw element of EMCEEING, and for that I am truly thankful and blessed to have witnessed it. So if this is it?? Take in the moment, pound ya chest and love this hip hop shit!!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 6, 2024 12:46:07 GMT -5
Just because the public considers Drake a solid competitive MC doesn’t mean that Kendrick isn’t being boosted by the large numbers of pop music critics (hip hop focused and otherwise) who consider him as the socially aware alternative. Kendrick makes the kinds of albums that many music writers wish (and have wished for, throughout the many decades of rock) made up the majority of the Billboard charts. That’s not a slight against K Dot’s work, just an observation. But "pop music critics" are not the target audience for this feud so it's wholly irrelevant to the battle. There's no "boost" from that. The whole reason this reached my attention as someone who doesn't go here at all, is because stuff is playing out on social media to the point it's all that trended for days. In scoping it out I've run into a lot of media folks but it's mostly been streamers and radio people, and they've generally been a lot kinder to Drake than I imagine some uptight music writer is gonna be. Especially when, from what I've been able to see on him being everywhere and all but having Drake tattooed on his chest, one of the biggest hiphop streamers has just been non-stop all over Drake and loving him this whole time? I'm sure the deeper you get into the hip hop world and the kinds of places where music writers exist, it gets even more lopsided, but the experience as a total outsider reading shit on twitter has felt like something likely a lot closer to the average experience than the sorts of people rushing to blogs and junk.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 6, 2024 12:57:56 GMT -5
Also, I'm glad the pendulum has swung all the way back to show LL Cool J on every level beat Canibus. It wasn't just "he has the major label machine behind him." As great as "Second Round K.O." was, "The Ripper Returns" was a line-for-line bar-for-bar rebuttal that took out Canibus and still left strong jabs in for Wyclef and Tyson. Very underrated in the grand scheme of things. Then Canibus' "Rip the Jacker" came out, and as cool and inventive as it was to hear Canibus rhyming over Cool J's "I'm B.A.D.," the lyrics were just absolutely *NOT* there. He flopped hard right on his face. Yeah LL definitely won. His response was so much better. Flipping 99% of your fans wear high heels to 99% of your fans don't exist alone was probably enough but the whole thing was great. I still think he was a bit of a bitch though for that whole thing starting in the first place. "Let me borrow that mic on your arm" was such an innocuous line from Canibus and if anything was paying tribute to LL. I've no idea why he took such great offense to it. Win, lose, or draw, even Drakes harshest critics now have no choice to admit one thing..He can actually spit bars when motivated It would be weird if people didn't already know this. He's shown many times over the years he can rap really well and has great flows. The thing is he's rarely motivated to do that. We saw it in 2015 v Meek Mill then a year later he dropped Views which was a bloated mess with barely a couple standout tracks. When he's in album mode he rarely hits that level and instead focuses on the numbers game. That will give you popularity in the moment but when people are talking greatest rappers you probably won't be mentioned if most of your albums are full of filler looking for Tik-Tok trends or Spotify hits. And there's nothing wrong with that. Except he seems to also want the respect of being the best actual rapper etc. Okay so make a better album than GKMC or TPAB then. You're not going to be considered the best with the odd fire verse here and there but most of your work is lifeless chart-bait. Drake I find similar to Cole in a way that when they're featured on someone else's track and that competitive edge is there they'll come through but when it comes time to put together an album that fire rarely comes through as much. They both arguably "only" have 1 classic each but on paper have the potential to have had more.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 6, 2024 13:02:40 GMT -5
Can Tom MacDonald try starting shit with Kendrick next?
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Post by BRV on May 6, 2024 13:33:44 GMT -5
I'm absolutely baffled with the route Drake went in "The Heart Part 6."
It's like going up to the school bully and telling him, "You won't be able to pants me today, because I just sh*t myself."
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 6, 2024 13:41:22 GMT -5
Can Tom MacDonald try starting shit with Kendrick next? “Your last album was so woke, it made me feel like I ate some bad Denny’s, Somebody call the feds, cause oh my god I just killed Kenny! I’m still the most hated, don’t care if you get offended, Bringing this political rap, Mr Morale just pretended!” *mid 2000’s cliche rock beat* THEY WON’T STOP UUUUUUSSSSS TAKE MY HAND AND GIVE ME YOUR TRUUUUUUSSTTT
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Post by rainandlava on May 6, 2024 13:46:37 GMT -5
I'll have to say this...Drake, for all his many, many flaws at least can stand his ground even when getting ethered heavily.
In fact, the only rappers (as far as I know) who folded when they got ethered was probably Ja Rule after "Haile's Revenge" and I guess Benzino as well?
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Post by Killah Ray on May 6, 2024 16:41:39 GMT -5
I'll have to say this...Drake, for all his many, many flaws at least can stand his ground even when getting ethered heavily. In fact, the only rappers (as far as I know) who folded when they got ethered was probably Ja Rule after "Haile's Revenge" and I guess Benzino as well? Benzino still beefing 20 years later...somehow he's the only person to not realize that shutting out the biggest rap label at the time during the last stand of the magazine era was completely f***ing stupid... Elliot Wilson should send him flowers every week.....
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