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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 12, 2024 16:01:10 GMT -5
There are moments that are looked back at Dolph Ziggler's peak in WWE. Both moments were meant to make the guy for good. But it the end it didn't. So if you look at both moments in time, which one do you consider THE Dolph Ziggler moment for him in WWE?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 12, 2024 16:12:50 GMT -5
I’m struggling to recall the 2013 cash-in, but remember the 2014 Survivor Series pertly. And at the time it really did seem like a big moment. So that.
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Post by Soultastic on May 12, 2024 16:17:33 GMT -5
I’m struggling to recall the 2013 cash-in, but remember the 2014 Survivor Series pertly. And at the time it really did seem like a big moment. So that. I'm the opposite. I remember the cash in very well, but Survivor Series doesn't register in my brain as a Dolph moment because he spent the last 5 minutes dead and then Sting dragged him on top of Seth. I agree that looking at both moments, SS is bigger on paper, but because of the execution I gotta go with the cash in.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on May 12, 2024 16:44:40 GMT -5
Oh it's the cash-in. That's his shining moment to me. It was about him, not the debut of someone else with JBL rattling off Sting's Wikipedia page.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on May 12, 2024 16:51:45 GMT -5
How I'd personally rank Dolph's greatest WWE moments:
1) The cash in 2) Beating Miz for the IC Title at No Mercy 3) The Survivor Series 2014 performance
All three were great, and it really sucked how they followed up on all of them. Say what you want about the guy, but not a whole lot of wrestlers have had the rug pulled out from under them as often as he did.
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Post by john84 on May 12, 2024 16:58:00 GMT -5
I love both but the MitB one I think got him his best pop whereas Survivor Series is remembered more for it being Sting's first appearance so I've gone for MitB.
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Post by Hypnosis on May 12, 2024 16:59:03 GMT -5
The cash-in.
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Post by john84 on May 12, 2024 17:00:32 GMT -5
How I'd personally rank Dolph's greatest WWE moments: 1) The cash in 2) Beating Miz for the IC Title at No Mercy 3) The Survivor Series 2014 performance All three were great, and it really sucked how they followed up on all of them. Say what you want about the guy, but not a whole lot of wrestlers have had the rug pulled out from under them as often as he did. I'd swap 2 and 3 around but I agree wholeheartedly otherwise.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 12, 2024 18:43:12 GMT -5
The cash-in may have meant more had the WHC not been a second tier title at that point.
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on May 12, 2024 18:45:56 GMT -5
To echo what someone else said...It is the cash in because it was solely about him and his moment.
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Post by fw91 on May 12, 2024 19:43:34 GMT -5
Thing is there’s X factors to both that help make these moments even bigger. The cash in had the rambunctious post mania raw crowd and survivor series had Sting’s debut.
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Post by john84 on May 12, 2024 19:48:43 GMT -5
Thing is there’s X factors to both that help make these moments even bigger. The cash in had the rambunctious post mania raw crowd and survivor series had Sting’s debut. Thing about Survivor Series though that Dolph's performance was overshadowed by Sting's debut so people don't really think about Dolph when they think of that one (unless you're a big fan of Dolph) so, at least for me, that's why I think the cash-in is his peak moment because 1. No-one overshadows the moment. 2. It's all about him, not someone else.
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Post by fw91 on May 12, 2024 19:51:31 GMT -5
Thing is there’s X factors to both that help make these moments even bigger. The cash in had the rambunctious post mania raw crowd and survivor series had Sting’s debut. Thing about Survivor Series though that Dolph's performance was overshadowed by Sting's debut so people don't really think about Dolph when they think of that one (unless you're a big fan of Dolph) so, at least for me, that's why I think the cash-in is his peak moment because 1. No-one overshadows the moment. 2. It's all about him, not someone else. yep, that's a fair point.
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Post by john84 on May 12, 2024 19:54:16 GMT -5
Thing about Survivor Series though that Dolph's performance was overshadowed by Sting's debut so people don't really think about Dolph when they think of that one (unless you're a big fan of Dolph) so, at least for me, that's why I think the cash-in is his peak moment because 1. No-one overshadows the moment. 2. It's all about him, not someone else. yep, that's a fair point. As is yours tbf
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Post by chazraps on May 12, 2024 19:56:43 GMT -5
Ziggler really seemed the night of Survivor Series 2014 that he was going to win the rumble and headline Mania against Brock. Then at the Rumble he got dumped by the local men and that was that. Really f***ing hate looking back at that era we could currently be nostalgic for and realize how it was largely horribly booked out of spite for the audience.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 12, 2024 20:08:18 GMT -5
I'm honestly shocked that anybody would consider his cash-in a peak of his career. He had been red hot up to that point with a big win over John Cena and his alliance with Big E and AJ Lee, then he wins the title a day too late, has a joke of a reign where he's off TV with an injury for most of it, and loses the belt back to Del Rio in a match where he gets almost no offense in. The cash-in was the moment when I realized the WWE was never gonna let him reach the career heights he should have.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on May 13, 2024 9:14:04 GMT -5
The reaction to MITB was more "oh Dolph is gonna be a big deal now" whereas the reaction to SS was more "oh yeah Dolph should be a big deal by now".
The real question might be what was the biggest moment that made people give up on poor Dolph.
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Post by eJm on May 13, 2024 9:28:00 GMT -5
The reaction to MITB was more "oh Dolph is gonna be a big deal now" whereas the reaction to SS was more "oh yeah Dolph should be a big deal by now". The real question might be what was the biggest moment that made people give up on poor Dolph. Oh, post Miz title win for sure. The cash in I "got" only because a concussion ground plans to a halt, SS14 a lot of people got buried six feet under after that and the Royal Rumble the next year but even after all of that, they did a storyline that got Dolph over to the audience after so long of him being treated like a nobody, did a happy ending to that storyline and then he just...lost it back to the Miz and did nothing. To the point where him facing Ambrose and Kofi for the WWE title were basically stories revolving around how much of a loser Dolph Ziggler is which is an excellent ways of selling Network subscriptions for your big shows.
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Post by ghost on May 13, 2024 11:42:07 GMT -5
Survivor Series. They obviously didn’t capitalize on it but if something like that happened today post Vince, it would have lead to something a lot greater.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 13, 2024 16:13:17 GMT -5
Did the Spirit Squad beat DX? If so, I would put that as his high point in WWE.
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