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Post by chronocross on Jul 21, 2025 11:31:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don't see Giulia at the PPV at all, probably in a match on the Smackdown the night before.
I do agree with the poster that said they need a big name to go after the U.S title on SD, maybe Bianca?
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Post by PHD-FENDERBAUM on Jul 21, 2025 11:39:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don't see Giulia at the PPV at all, probably in a match on the Smackdown the night before. I do agree with the poster that said they need a big name to go after the U.S title on SD, maybe Bianca? They wont knock Bianca down to slumming it for the US title especially not with the Jade and Rhea feuds on the horizon. It is why I suggest any of the Joshi's shifting to SD. She has experience with KAIRI already so they can build off some familiarity. A dream of hers is to wrestle Asuka And IYO is a straight up dream match for many and I do not see her in the title picture after summerslam so she is gonna need something to do and she alone could help SD and if they want to get Bianca on the same show as Rhea swapping Bianca for IYO would be the ideal scenario IMO. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Jul 21, 2025 12:05:30 GMT -5
So we need to make Giulia into a different bird or bird deity Dee Reynolds gimmick incoming. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 21, 2025 12:23:40 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc.
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Post by mistery on Jul 21, 2025 12:32:43 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc. The celebrity spotlight stuff is dumb, because I am drawing a blank when it comes to figuring out who will buy Peacock or Netflix just to watch a f***ing Jelly Roll match. Like...Logan Paul is human trash but at least I can understand the logic of WWE there as he has a very large fanbase that likely doesn't watch WWE, but does watch Logan. Meanwhile Jelly Roll is mired in controversy and has largely pissed off his own fanbase, none of whom are terribly interested in WWE. I would rather all this time being spent on Jelly Roll or other celebrites be given to the talent who is around regularly, and actually want TV time. It's pretty damn telling Giulia has openly said she will never forgive herself if she isn't on the card. And people here are forgetting something in their disdain towards her. They claim she isn't over, but you don't get over unless you can actually get on TV regularly. And she was getting over during her feud with Zelina, showing more and more personality, just to get taken off TV again because god forbid we have 2516 fewer Temu Bloodline segments and 100% fewer Jelly Roll segments. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Jul 21, 2025 12:45:16 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc. I still think the five match ple is too short despite what hunter says, especially given all the padding and commercials they have. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Jul 21, 2025 12:49:18 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc. The celebrity spotlight stuff is dumb, because I am drawing a blank when it comes to figuring out who will buy Peacock or Netflix just to watch a f***ing Jelly Roll match. Like...Logan Paul is human trash but at least I can understand the logic of WWE there as he has a very large fanbase that likely doesn't watch WWE, but does watch Logan. Meanwhile Jelly Roll is mired in controversy and has largely pissed off his own fanbase, none of whom are terribly interested in WWE. I would rather all this time being spent on Jelly Roll or other celebrites be given to the talent who is around regularly, and actually want TV time. It's pretty damn telling Giulia has openly said she will never forgive herself if she isn't on the card. And people here are forgetting something in their disdain towards her. They claim she isn't over, but you don't get over unless you can actually get on TV regularly. And she was getting over during her feud with Zelina, showing more and more personality, just to get taken off TV again because god forbid we have 2516 fewer Temu Bloodline segments and 100% fewer Jelly Roll segments. The disdain isn't towards her, it's the crazy and creepy fandom that's an all or nothing approach to how Japanese female talent are booked. |
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jul 21, 2025 13:05:26 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc. The celebrity spotlight stuff is dumb, because I am drawing a blank when it comes to figuring out who will buy Peacock or Netflix just to watch a f***ing Jelly Roll match. Like...Logan Paul is human trash but at least I can understand the logic of WWE there as he has a very large fanbase that likely doesn't watch WWE, but does watch Logan. Meanwhile Jelly Roll is mired in controversy and has largely pissed off his own fanbase, none of whom are terribly interested in WWE. I would rather all this time being spent on Jelly Roll or other celebrites be given to the talent who is around regularly, and actually want TV time. It's pretty damn telling Giulia has openly said she will never forgive herself if she isn't on the card. And people here are forgetting something in their disdain towards her. They claim she isn't over, but you don't get over unless you can actually get on TV regularly. And she was getting over during her feud with Zelina, showing more and more personality, just to get taken off TV again because god forbid we have 2516 fewer Temu Bloodline segments and 100% fewer Jelly Roll segments. In fairness if we weren't getting Jelly Roll in a tag match we were getting some combination of Drew/Orton/Paul taking up the same amount of time. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 21, 2025 13:15:43 GMT -5
Not the same angle on this as others are taking, but could part of the issue also be that, at this point, there's just too many belts, while WWE's PLE show model just doesn't facilitate them that well? Lots of belts, not many matches, often spots set aside for celebrity spotlight stuff, etc. I still think the five match ple is too short despite what hunter says, especially given all the padding and commercials they have. Yeah, I really couldn't fathom buying a ticket for one of those. As something to put on TV and watch from home, I can get it to some degree, nice excuse to call for a pizza and get a few good matches, but that doesn't feel like a formula for a great overall live experience. |
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Post by clc on Jul 21, 2025 13:39:18 GMT -5
Isn't SummerSlam hosted by a famous singer this year? Where has she been?
Get her involved with Giulia.
But also do the dancing chef mob boss bird thing too.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 21, 2025 14:01:24 GMT -5
I still think the five match ple is too short despite what hunter says, especially given all the padding and commercials they have. Yeah, I really couldn't fathom buying a ticket for one of those. As something to put on TV and watch from home, I can get it to some degree, nice excuse to call for a pizza and get a few good matches, but that doesn't feel like a formula for a great overall live experience. It doesn't even make sense for NXT, the thing that it was first designed for, because it's the build-up from 6-8 hours of first shown TV rather than a streaming show where there's more roster spots and storylines involved and especially when it's not "PWG-with-a-budget" anymore. |
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Post by BlahBlah on Jul 21, 2025 14:30:30 GMT -5
I have 0 disdain towards her but even going back to NXT, nothing about her has stood out.
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Post by jimmyjackzangroni on Jul 21, 2025 15:31:00 GMT -5
I have 0 disdain towards her but even going back to NXT, nothing about her has stood out. Yeah, it seems like everyone thinks that you are either in the "creepy dudes with a Japan fetish" fan group or the "people only dislike her because of her fans" fan group. Truthfully, I've never really seen that much evidence of either group existing outside of other people complaining about them. Reality seems like the vast majority of people that don't like her don't belong to either group, they just don't find her very entertaining. This also seems to be the opinion of the average viewer based on reaction. |
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Post by BlahBlah on Jul 21, 2025 15:51:23 GMT -5
I have 0 disdain towards her but even going back to NXT, nothing about her has stood out. Yeah, it seems like everyone thinks that you are either in the "creepy dudes with a Japan fetish" fan group or the "people only dislike her because of her fans" fan group. Truthfully, I've never really seen that much evidence of either group existing outside of other people complaining about them. Reality seems like the vast majority of people that don't like her don't belong to either group, they just don't find her very entertaining. This also seems to be the opinion of the average viewer based on reaction. Yup yup, you're exactly right. It's not personal or sinister she hasn't proven to be very entertaining. I realize it's an oversimplification but fundamentally the fans do decide and Vaquer got insanely over while debuting at the same time as Giulia. That's what speaks volumes really. |
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Post by HIM on Jul 24, 2025 19:57:54 GMT -5
Been seeing a lot of Comic-Con clips and Giulia's English is really getting better. She's more comfortable, happy and she's more in tune with the fans it feels like.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 25, 2025 1:05:06 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 25, 2025 1:29:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's a coincidence that Evolution was both the most praised PPV WWE's done in ages and also the only show paced like an actual show and not like three hours of ads occasionally interrupted by a wrestling match.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 25, 2025 17:02:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's a coincidence that Evolution was both the most praised PPV WWE's done in ages and also the only show paced like an actual show and not like three hours of ads occasionally interrupted by a wrestling match. Even if HHH doesn't want to do marathon PLEs like Tony does, it wouldn't harm things to at minimum expand to 6 matches, if not 7. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Jul 25, 2025 17:22:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's a coincidence that Evolution was both the most praised PPV WWE's done in ages and also the only show paced like an actual show and not like three hours of ads occasionally interrupted by a wrestling match. Even if HHH doesn't want to do marathon PLEs like Tony does, it wouldn't harm things to at minimum expand to 6 matches, if not 7. The enshittification era of PLE/PPV events |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2025 17:31:08 GMT -5
I don't think it's a coincidence that Evolution was both the most praised PPV WWE's done in ages and also the only show paced like an actual show and not like three hours of ads occasionally interrupted by a wrestling match. Even if HHH doesn't want to do marathon PLEs like Tony does, it wouldn't harm things to at minimum expand to 6 matches, if not 7. Evolution taught me that 7 matches is the perfect amount for me. |
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