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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 19, 2007 14:46:25 GMT -5
I don't know what he's supposed to be, the fans cheered him in his match with Styles but chanted "Joe" when he was in the ring talking about his victory. What exactly is the plan with his character?
Also, does Sting/Abyss count as a "religion" based angle (which therefore meets criteria for Wrestlecrap, according to RD's description)?
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Post by goldenboost on Jan 19, 2007 14:50:25 GMT -5
He's a tweener leaning towards face since he's feuding with Christian
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jan 19, 2007 15:16:48 GMT -5
I don't know what he's supposed to be, the fans cheered him in his match with Styles but chanted "Joe" when he was in the ring talking about his victory. What exactly is the plan with his character? Also, does Sting/Abyss count as a "religion" based angle (which therefore meets criteria for Wrestlecrap, according to RD's description)? It has religious undertones, but in all fairness it's not that bad of an angle and I think it's really added to the career longevity of Abyss. With TNA hiring more ex-WWE guys like Tomko and Nash who are obviously taller than Abyss... he can no longer really be a monster in the ring with guys like that. I look forward to the conclusion of this angle, and I really like how Borden is doing this angle. I think Sting himself is actually interested in what he's doing right now, unlike everything else he's done in TNA. Infact, it's the first time I've really enjoyed Sting's contribution to TNA outside of the quick weekly PPV stint he had. |
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jan 19, 2007 15:25:36 GMT -5
All I know is Angle called Shawn Michaels an "idiot" this morning on a Birmingham radio show. They did ask whether he liked being a heel or face more, and he admitted that it was more fun to him to be a heel.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 19, 2007 15:27:59 GMT -5
I don't know if he's a face or a heel, all I know is he's crazy and/or possibly bizarre. Either that or he's doing the greatest work ever. then again I wouldn't put it past him that he legit wants to shit on Daniel Puder's chest
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jan 19, 2007 15:33:33 GMT -5
Angle sounded legit crazy on the radio show this morning...how he'd rather have work for a lady than a man in the wrestling business, how McMahon was so bad to him, how Shawn Michaels wasn't a team player. It was awesome.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 19, 2007 15:36:02 GMT -5
I actually like Sting/Abyss angle, I was just worried that people might try to nominate it for Wrestlecrap because of the religious undertones to it.
The Angle as tweener concept makes since. I guess they'll probably pit him against Joe in at least one more match and then have the less popular wrestler turn heel. I don't think Joe is Angle's "secret trainer", though, that would be way to obvious.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 19, 2007 16:35:43 GMT -5
I actually think he's a face, but wants to be a heel.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 19, 2007 17:03:58 GMT -5
The NEWZ report was that Russo wanted to book him sort of 1997-Steve Austin style: tweener with a sadistic streak, can turn face or heel on a dime temporarily if the situation calls for it.
For example, he was clearly the heel in the last Joe match, but he'll be the face against Christian.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 19, 2007 17:06:29 GMT -5
He attacked a woman to get a title match that Joe didn't think he deserved.
He's a heel, and to me, he's a whiny crybaby heel too.
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Post by JMA on Jan 19, 2007 17:24:01 GMT -5
He attacked a woman to get a title match that Joe didn't think he deserved. He's a heel, and to me, he's a whiny crybaby heel too. If you want to bring logic into TNA, Christian Cage was perfectly justified in tormenting Abyss. After all, Abyss did stalk Christian's wife. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 19, 2007 17:25:39 GMT -5
He attacked a woman to get a title match that Joe didn't think he deserved. He's a heel, and to me, he's a whiny crybaby heel too. If you want to bring logic into TNA, Christian Cage was perfectly justified in tormenting Abyss. After all, Abyss did stalk Christian's wife. Something tells me we're not supposed to remember that. |
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Post by JMA on Jan 19, 2007 17:30:51 GMT -5
If you want to bring logic into TNA, Christian Cage was perfectly justified in tormenting Abyss. After all, Abyss did stalk Christian's wife. Something tells me we're not supposed to remember that. It would add to the angle. Christian could've even claimed that he brought back Tomko to protect his wife. And no, it would NOT get him sympathy heat. After he cheated to win or beat down a babyface, the fans would boo him. It is possible to have heels with believable and credible motives. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 19, 2007 17:38:12 GMT -5
Something tells me we're not supposed to remember that. It would add to the angle. Christian could've even claimed that he brought back Tomko to protect his wife. And no, it would NOT get him sympathy heat. After he cheated to win or beat down a babyface, the fans would boo him. It is possible to have heels with believable and credible motives. I didn't mean in the terms of sympathy heat, I just meant that we're seriously probably not supposed to remember that. TNA isn't the greatest at continuity either. |
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Post by JMA on Jan 19, 2007 18:29:04 GMT -5
It would add to the angle. Christian could've even claimed that he brought back Tomko to protect his wife. And no, it would NOT get him sympathy heat. After he cheated to win or beat down a babyface, the fans would boo him. It is possible to have heels with believable and credible motives. I didn't mean in the terms of sympathy heat, I just meant that we're seriously probably not supposed to remember that. TNA isn't the greatest at continuity either. The first part was my response to your post. The second part wasn't addressed to anyone in specific. It was a preemptive statement just in case someone claimed that Christian would start getting cheers. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 19, 2007 18:44:01 GMT -5
I didn't mean in the terms of sympathy heat, I just meant that we're seriously probably not supposed to remember that. TNA isn't the greatest at continuity either. The first part was my response to your post. The second part wasn't addressed to anyone in specific. It was a preemptive statement just in case someone claimed that Christian would start getting cheers. Ah I gotcha |
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Post by Banned Member on Jan 19, 2007 18:46:23 GMT -5
Angle sounded legit crazy on the radio show this morning...how he'd rather have work for a lady than a man in the wrestling business, how McMahon was so bad to him, how Shawn Michaels wasn't a team player. It was awesome. Taken from OWW WWF European title defeating Val Venis (February 10, 2000 - Smackdown!); WWF Intercontinental title defeating Chris Jericho (February 27, 2000 - No Way Out); WWF King of The Ring 2000 defeating Rikishi in the finals (June 25, 2000 - King of the Ring); WWF Heavyweight title defeating The Rock (October 22, 2000 - No Mercy); WCW World Heavyweight title defeating Booker T (July 2001); WWF Hardcore title defeating Rob Van Dam (September 2001); WWF Heavyweight title defeating Steve Austin (September 23, 2001 - Unforgiven); WCW United States title defeating Rhyno (October 22, 2001 - RAW); WWE Tag Team titles w/Chris Benoit defeated Edge & Rey Mysterio in a Tournament (October 20, 2002 - No Mercy); WWE Undisputed title defeating The Big Show (December 15, 2002 - Armageddon:): WWE title defeating Brock Lesnar and The Big Show (July 27, 2003 - Vengeance): (WWE) World Heavyweight title by winning a 20-Man Battle Royal (January 13, 2006): Ya Macmahon has been so bad to him. Angle is so full of himself. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 19, 2007 18:51:39 GMT -5
Angle left because of the painkiller problem, right? Or did he just feel WWE never pushed him hard enough?
Merc's list of title holdings for him is pretty expansive...kinda kills the "I never got a push" argument
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 19, 2007 19:30:40 GMT -5
I think Angle's complaint was that he felt he never got to be "the man". Most often, I guess in his mind, he was used for transition reigns and to put others over, which he didn't understand, given that most people agree he's one of the few "complete packages" in wrestling.
Also, titles have nothing to do with the complaints he had about the grueling schedule, and all that jazz.
Not to excuse Kurt from being a total psycho these days, though.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 19, 2007 21:48:04 GMT -5
He was a heel. I thought he was anyway. I mean, the things he did were really heelish, unlike Steve Austin back in 1997. A lot of the things he did were admirable, and even if they were heelish, he didn't do anything really cheap. Angle whined and complained to get his match, and beat up someone weaker then him to get it. Then the next week he's in the ring with Sting getting cheered.
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