Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 11, 2007 23:19:00 GMT -5
In a recent thread, one of my fellow crappers stated that he wished ROH would just purchase TNA. Of course, this is not possible given either companies current assetts. However, I found myself wondering, could ROH concievably purchase some of the smaller but recognized indie feds in North America? In particular, JAPW and CZW spring to mind. Granted, neither promotion has a style that would meld well with ROH, however, they both have resources ROH could probably make very good use of. For instance, ROH could probably find good uses for CZW distribution deal with Smark Mark Video. ROH could also probably get some good use out of any localized television deals either company has.
ROH's resources are truly limited at the moment. ROH reminds me a great deal of ECW at its very inception. Right now they are striving for something new, unique, and different, but they have many hurldes to overcome. They cannot simply swallow smaller territories the way WWE and WCW did, and to a lesser extent continue to do. But nonetheless, taking over the facilities of some indie feds is actually possible, because there are some feds out that there could be sold for the price of a used car. Does anyone else know of any indie feds that ROH could possibly expand into?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 11, 2007 23:51:28 GMT -5
I always wondered if a small indy like ROH couldn't make arraingements with some of the larger local TV stations. I would think that if the cost of a show to the station was only designed to cover the cost of the actual broadcast (not the event itself) that many stations would jump at the chance. It would be very cheap, and wrestling in any form still garners enough interest that they would make enough from advertisements during the broadcast (even if the show is aired at 1 AM on Saturday night). The indy fed wouldn't actually make money from the show, but the show would serve as free advertising for their events.
I imagine that ROH operates close enough to NY to try to get a crappy hour on one of NYC channels. It has been a while since I had Dish Network, but at the time NYC's WB and UPN channels were part of the Superstations package, which would grant a limited availability to anyone nationally.
I know some of you are involved in indy feds, so if this scheme of mine has some fatal flaw in it, don't be too shy to point it out.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 12, 2007 5:01:58 GMT -5
I prefer ROH not buying up other indies. They're doing fine on their own. I don't see why they need to buy other indies.
Also, Smart Mark Video doesn't just distribute CZW dvds. They also record the shows and stuff. ROH seems pretty comfortable with the concept of shooting their own DVDs. And, not to knock SMV, but ROH's dvds look better than theirs.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 13, 2007 20:38:13 GMT -5
Nobody I hope.
The last thing I or anybody who loves wrestling wants is for the independent scene to possibly become monopolized.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 20:41:42 GMT -5
Yeah, ROH really doesn't have much to gain by buying anyone out at this stage.
Their current model is probably the better one: as they grow, they're actually developing "sister promotions" that exist under the ROH umbrella, but operate on a mostly autonomous level. So far, that idea has given us FIP and SHIMMER, so it's not going too badly.
As for TV, Gabe seems to be very paranoid about even the potential of minor "corporate oversight", which really wouldn't be a problem with small-time TV (ala mid-90's ECW), but I don't think he or Cary wants to take the chance.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jan 13, 2007 20:46:47 GMT -5
I prefer ROH not buying up other indies. They're doing fine on their own. I don't see why they need to buy other indies. Also, Smart Mark Video doesn't just distribute CZW dvds. They also record the shows and stuff. ROH seems pretty comfortable with the concept of shooting their own DVDs. And, not to knock SMV, but ROH's dvds look better than theirs. BUT.... smart mark video has WAAAAAAAAY better commentary. oh god sometimes I wish I could just turn the commentary off on ROH dvd's... oh and PWG production values are the best all around.
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Post by KLRA on Jan 13, 2007 20:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah, ROH really doesn't have much to gain by buying anyone out at this stage. Their current model is probably the better one: as they grow, they're actually developing "sister promotions" that exist under the ROH umbrella, but operate on a mostly autonomous level. So far, that idea has given us FIP and SHIMMER, so it's not going too badly. As for TV, Gabe seems to be very paranoid about even the potential of minor "corporate oversight", which really wouldn't be a problem with small-time TV (ala mid-90's ECW), but I don't think he or Cary wants to take the chance. I think it's been said that the only way ROH is going to go on national TV is if they get a couple million dollar endowment from someone so they can meet the production values needed. I just wish that ROH would expand just a little bit more out of the Northeast. Like, running shows cobranded with FIP could be a start, but have it be an honest to god ROH show.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 20:54:54 GMT -5
I prefer ROH not buying up other indies. They're doing fine on their own. I don't see why they need to buy other indies. Also, Smart Mark Video doesn't just distribute CZW dvds. They also record the shows and stuff. ROH seems pretty comfortable with the concept of shooting their own DVDs. And, not to knock SMV, but ROH's dvds look better than theirs. BUT.... smart mark video has WAAAAAAAAY better commentary. oh god sometimes I wish I could just turn the commentary off on ROH dvd's... oh and PWG production values are the best all around. I will say nothing against the commentary of Dave Prazak or the soon-to-be returning Lenny Leonard. I love their work. "Jimmy Bower", on the other hand, while a really fun in-joke, just couldn't cut it, and hence became an "office lackey". ...Anyone else enjoy that, since taking him off full-time commentary, Gabe's turned his broadcasting alter-ego into more of an actual representation of himself (i.e. bringing "Bower" out to officially thank organizations like NOAH or Dragon Gate for lending their talent, etc.)?
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Post by KLRA on Jan 13, 2007 20:56:29 GMT -5
*sigh* I miss DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGEROUS!
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 13, 2007 20:56:52 GMT -5
Yeah, ROH really doesn't have much to gain by buying anyone out at this stage. Their current model is probably the better one: as they grow, they're actually developing "sister promotions" that exist under the ROH umbrella, but operate on a mostly autonomous level. So far, that idea has given us FIP and SHIMMER, so it's not going too badly. As for TV, Gabe seems to be very paranoid about even the potential of minor "corporate oversight", which really wouldn't be a problem with small-time TV (ala mid-90's ECW), but I don't think he or Cary wants to take the chance. I think it's been said that the only way ROH is going to go on national TV is if they get a couple million dollar endowment from someone so they can meet the production values needed. I just wish that ROH would expand just a little bit more out of the Northeast. Like, running shows cobranded with FIP could be a start, but have it be an honest to god ROH show. Ideas for new markets: - a Pittsburgh return Somehow, someway, book Angle for the Pitt return; I'm sure he'd be able to help ROH draw several thousand in his hometown, and thanks to his hometown drawing power, more casual fans are exposed to ROH. - St. Louis metro area, but on the Illinois side of the border With the STL being such a huge historical region for the business, logic says to host a show there. I've heard and read that Missouri's state laws make booking an indy show difficult, so my suggestion since there's a million shows every year in Chicago, book the show in the St. Lous area but have it in an Illinois town of that area, since obviously Illinois's laws aren't too difficult. - Milwaukee return My ideal main event would be an Austin Aries farewell match; based on how badly the original Milwaukee show reportedly drew, I'm assuming a Milwaukee return is an impossibility. - Hawaii Hey, it's the closest state to NOAH headquarters, and how often are the the Hawaiians treated to wrestling? I would be SHOCKED if this market isn't starving for any wrestling, so why not establish yourself in the state?
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Post by The Line on Jan 13, 2007 21:00:13 GMT -5
didn't they just run STL not too long ago?
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 13, 2007 21:03:12 GMT -5
didn't they just run STL not too long ago? never
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Post by Error on Jan 13, 2007 21:28:46 GMT -5
I'd love them to run a full ROH show in TX. I don't care if its San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Texarkana or Corpus, I'll freakin drive there in a heartbeat and sleep in my car to save money on a hotel.
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Post by anticonscience on Jan 13, 2007 21:41:44 GMT -5
I want them back in Buffalo since I only recently got into ROH and didn't follow it when they came around here a couple years ago
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 13, 2007 23:14:29 GMT -5
As a St. Louisian myself. I know ROH would do great here. St. Louis loves wrestling. That way I think were on TNA list of places because wrestling is a hot show in the area. They do great selling shows all the time. The last bad sell was Smackdown/ECW taping mainly because the World Series was being played just down the street. Still had a decent crowd.
STL laws I don't know if that difficult. Because we have one local indie fed that been around for years. The WWE keeps coming back as well. I don't think indies booking and a WWE booking is that much different. TNA been working on coming here too.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 23:39:19 GMT -5
Thing is, this year, Gabe has said ROH is gonna focus on "shoring up their already established markets", and not look to expand.
That said, if you wanna read a little deeper into that, that COULD mean that ROH is looking to expand in 2008, and wants to make sure their "home bases" are all locked up and secure before they do that.
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Post by imnotbooked on Jan 13, 2007 23:41:01 GMT -5
I want them back in Buffalo since I only recently got into ROH and didn't follow it when they came around here a couple years ago I'm almost 100% sure that they won't be around our neck of the woods for a long, long time. Sadly, the last show only drew about 300 or so, so they are in no real rush to come back here. I still thank the wrestling gods that he was shining down on Buffalo for a brief time when I actually got to see CIMA wrestle and meet him. That was surreal.
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Post by KLRA on Jan 13, 2007 23:58:13 GMT -5
I want them back in Buffalo since I only recently got into ROH and didn't follow it when they came around here a couple years ago I'm almost 100% sure that they won't be around our neck of the woods for a long, long time. Sadly, the last show only drew about 300 or so, so they are in no real rush to come back here. I still thank the wrestling gods that he was shining down on Buffalo for a brief time when I actually got to see CIMA wrestle and meet him. That was surreal. Not to mention Buffalo had a high contingent of DOUCHEBAG fans. CIMA is one of the coolest people ever though.
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Post by imnotbooked on Jan 14, 2007 1:30:18 GMT -5
I'm almost 100% sure that they won't be around our neck of the woods for a long, long time. Sadly, the last show only drew about 300 or so, so they are in no real rush to come back here. I still thank the wrestling gods that he was shining down on Buffalo for a brief time when I actually got to see CIMA wrestle and meet him. That was surreal. Not to mention Buffalo had a high contingent of DOUCHEBAG fans. CIMA is one of the coolest people ever though. Yeah, Buffalo is definately getting the rep of the Douchebag fan contingent. What is worth is that the workers at the shows get hot and give 'em attention which only fuels their stupid antics.
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Post by KLRA on Jan 14, 2007 1:32:22 GMT -5
Not to mention Buffalo had a high contingent of DOUCHEBAG fans. CIMA is one of the coolest people ever though. Yeah, Buffalo is definately getting the rep of the Douchebag fan contingent. What is worth is that the workers at the shows get hot and give 'em attention which only fuels their stupid antics. I think Samoa Joe handled it the best at New Frontiers when he just about took off Jamie Gibson's head (which popped the crowd) and then screamed at the fan to either shut up or get out. That bastard was sitting next to me at that show to, so it almost ruined the show for me.
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