The Official ROH DVD Thread

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vanvader said:

Total ROH newbie here.

I want to see C.M. Punk as a heel, as well as 'The Fallen Angel' Christopher Daniels in full gimmick mode.

What DVDs would be good places to start?

For Punk, get "Better Than You," his first ROH best of. For Daniels, the debut show is unfortunately out of stock, but I'd highly recommend for Daniels at his best as a character to be anything from 2002. Might wanna get "The Prophecy Foretold," his first ROH best of if you're strapped for cash.

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vanvader said:

Total ROH newbie here.

I want to see C.M. Punk as a heel, as well as 'The Fallen Angel' Christopher Daniels in full gimmick mode.

What DVDs would be good places to start?

Depends, because both have different eras and variations on those gimmicks in ROH. To me, the best Punk was his massive heel turn after winning the ROH world title in 2005.

Daniels as leader of the Prophecy in '03 though was pretty damn amazing. And I have this spidey-sense that the prophecy just might be coming back.

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Do NOT get Punk's 2005 heel stuff yet. To get the full effect, you need to see him progressing as both a character and wrestler in ROH starting in 2003.

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supersonic said:

Do NOT get Punk's 2005 heel stuff yet. To get the full effect, you need to see him progressing as both a character and wrestler in ROH starting in 2003.

Not exactly. A few of my friends got started on ROH with the Punk heel turn, because at DBDIII Punk was getting the Hogan reaction, so you KNEW this guy was special and that the turn was huge.

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stevedave said:

supersonic said:

Do NOT get Punk's 2005 heel stuff yet. To get the full effect, you need to see him progressing as both a character and wrestler in ROH starting in 2003.

Not exactly. A few of my friends got started on ROH with the Punk heel turn, because at DBDIII Punk was getting the Hogan reaction, so you KNEW this guy was special and that the turn was huge.

It may be better for the full effect to get his 03 work first, but I started out on his 05 and I pretty much caught on quickly. He was vicious in 05, I'm not sure he wasn't an overall better heel then than Danielson is now.

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mygreatesthour said:

stevedave said:

Not exactly. A few of my friends got started on ROH with the Punk heel turn, because at DBDIII Punk was getting the Hogan reaction, so you KNEW this guy was special and that the turn was huge.

It may be better for the full effect to get his 03 work first, but I started out on his 05 and I pretty much caught on quickly. He was vicious in 05, I'm not sure he wasn't an overall better heel then than Danielson is now.

I'd have to go with Danielson since he doesn't rely on storyline-driven aspects in his matches as much as Punk does. Danielson is just a prick, plain and simple, and he doesn't really have any rhyme or reason to his methods too much. I also like that while Punk was just smarmy and cocky, Danielson is that but ALSO very bitter towards the fans sometimes. I absolutely LOVE how Danielson gets such a reaction from the crowd.

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supersonic said:

I'd have to go with Danielson since he doesn't rely on storyline-driven aspects in his matches as much as Punk does. Danielson is just a prick, plain and simple, and he doesn't really have any rhyme or reason to his methods too much. I also like that while Punk was just smarmy and cocky, Danielson is that but ALSO very bitter towards the fans sometimes. I absolutely LOVE how Danielson gets such a reaction from the crowd.

Well, you certainly can't go wrong either way.

But I will give Punk one thing over Danielson in their reigns as heels.

It's so hard in ROH to get fully over as a heel. If you can work the fans are going to cheer you at times all most no matter what.

Danielson has these great matches and even sometimes when he flips off the fans and insults them they still cheer him.

After Punk won the belt he wasn't getting those reactions. I've watched Sign of Dishonor and Fate of an Angel a few too many times lol, and the fans weren't popping for Punk. They were really pissed at him. I mean obviously there were the stragglers in the crowd who cheered him, but more so than Dragon Punk was getting some really strong heat in 05.

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Thanks, guys.

I'm REALLY looking forward to expanding my wrestling horizons.

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mygreatesthour said:

supersonic said:

I'd have to go with Danielson since he doesn't rely on storyline-driven aspects in his matches as much as Punk does. Danielson is just a prick, plain and simple, and he doesn't really have any rhyme or reason to his methods too much. I also like that while Punk was just smarmy and cocky, Danielson is that but ALSO very bitter towards the fans sometimes. I absolutely LOVE how Danielson gets such a reaction from the crowd.

Well, you certainly can't go wrong either way.

But I will give Punk one thing over Danielson in their reigns as heels.

It's so hard in ROH to get fully over as a heel. If you can work the fans are going to cheer you at times all most no matter what.

Danielson has these great matches and even sometimes when he flips off the fans and insults them they still cheer him.

After Punk won the belt he wasn't getting those reactions. I've watched Sign of Dishonor and Fate of an Angel a few too many times lol, and the fans weren't popping for Punk. They were really pissed at him. I mean obviously there were the stragglers in the crowd who cheered him, but more so than Dragon Punk was getting some really strong heat in 05.

I'll have to disagree about Punk, because it was pretty obvious that a lot of the folks at the shows were really fans of his, but just decided to play along and boo him.

Danielson really does have detractors, and he uses them to make his matches that much more entertaining.

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supersonic said:

mygreatesthour said:

Well, you certainly can't go wrong either way.

But I will give Punk one thing over Danielson in their reigns as heels.

It's so hard in ROH to get fully over as a heel. If you can work the fans are going to cheer you at times all most no matter what.

Danielson has these great matches and even sometimes when he flips off the fans and insults them they still cheer him.

After Punk won the belt he wasn't getting those reactions. I've watched Sign of Dishonor and Fate of an Angel a few too many times lol, and the fans weren't popping for Punk. They were really pissed at him. I mean obviously there were the stragglers in the crowd who cheered him, but more so than Dragon Punk was getting some really strong heat in 05.

I'll have to disagree about Punk, because it was pretty obvious that a lot of the folks at the shows were really fans of his, but just decided to play along and boo him.

Danielson really does have detractors, and he uses them to make his matches that much more entertaining.

Well I know but isn't that the point though? I mean who is there since the cartoonish era of wrestling ended that people really hate? Rock in late 98 - early 99 was getting booed out of buildings with the Corporation yet there were Rock signs all over arenas. I mean the IWC actually has hatred for some people, although that's obviously the minority.

The point is to get people to boo your heels. And even in ROH's smarky world of fans, the people were booing him viciously.

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The thing with Punk vs. Danielson is that Punk had the entire f'n building wanting to see him get murdered for 'selling out' (in kayfabe purposes). They really wanted his blood. Danielson it's more of a, "we hate you but *thatwas awesome**clap**clap* *clap**clap**clap*" type of heel heat.

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i just loved it at DBD3, when people thought they were going to see punk drop the belt to daniels like the dudleys dropped the tag titles to raven/dreamer when they left ecw, and punk said "you people want to see me go two times in one night? (people yell in approval) daniels, you can wait another 16 months. kiss my ass" then ran out of the building.

[Galluchadore]

if your going to get one dvd be sure to pick up Glory by honor 5 Night 2. Alot of people are calling the single best show of the year.

[Klutch]

just ordered the 4th Anniversary Show, Arena Warfare and The Dragon Gate Challenge, for the low price of $48.00 (okay its not that low) . They are having a "Black Friday special" right now, which gives you 30% off of your order with the special promo code of friday.

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stevedave said:

vanvader said:

Total ROH newbie here.

I want to see C.M. Punk as a heel, as well as 'The Fallen Angel' Christopher Daniels in full gimmick mode.

What DVDs would be good places to start?

Depends, because both have different eras and variations on those gimmicks in ROH. To me, the best Punk was his massive heel turn after winning the ROH world title in 2005.

Daniels as leader of the Prophecy in '03 though was pretty damn amazing. And I have this spidey-sense that the prophecy just might be coming back.

God, I hope so; Daniels has been in ROH limbo for awhile (I don't fault Gabe for that, as Daniels is obviously a big time player in TNA), but, as a founding father of ROH, he deserves a lot better, and a run with a newborn Prophecy would be just the ticket for that, be it heel or face.

As for Punk, I agree that going into the match knowing Punk's history, I felt THAT much more ripped in half when he turned on us (bear in mind, I saw that show live). Even so, just seeing Death Before Dishonor III, which is basically a tribute to Punk's ROH history, could give you that same effect. It's clear ROH knew what it was doing when they edited that DVD together, as they showed CM Punk's history in ROH from his debut through 2004/5, so even newbie fans knew he was a big deal in the company.

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ROHwrestling.com says that the 30% off everything Black Friday sale has been extended through 2 AM tomorrow morning.

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mygreatesthour said:

ROHwrestling.com says that the 30% off everything Black Friday sale has been extended through 2 AM tomorrow morning.

Yep, and I decided "Screw it, I'll have enough for what I need later by pinching pennies for the next few months."

So I also ordered:

Unified (8/12/2006)

Anarchy in the UK (8/13/2006)

The Epic Encounter II (8/25/2006)

Gut Check (8/26/2006)

Glory By Honor V Night 1 (9/15/2006)

Glory By Honor V Night 2 (9/16/2006)

Survival of the Fittest 2006 (10/6/2006)

Motor City Madness (10/7/2006)

Won't make my next order until FB 2006 is out and there's a good sale to take advantage of 10/27 up to FB.

[Klutch]

how long does it usually take for them to ship out after an order has been placed?

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thecrue316 said:

how long does it usually take for them to ship out after an order has been placed?

I don't know, but usually my ROH orders always take me somewhere near 10-14 days to get here.

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thecrue316 said:

how long does it usually take for them to ship out after an order has been placed?

Like a week usually. Sometimes a little longer.