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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 22:57:15 GMT -5
Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 9, 2007 22:57:15 GMT -5
So basically now that I'm up in Fort McMurray, and barely on the internet thanks to wireless, I've actually made a wrestling schedule for myself, so it's easier for me to catch up on all the wrestling I can. It looks something like this:
Monday: Raw Tuesday: ROH/Noah/DSW Wednesday: ECW Thursday: TNA Friday: Smackdown Saturday: CZW/Shimmer/Chikara Sunday: Pay Per View/Old Pay Per Views/DVDs
I know that sounds weird, but I'm organizing a lot more things now that I'm in Alberta and working in the freezing cold in my 14 hour days here. Anyway, I was watching a bit of CZW, Cage of Death 8. And I'm watching it, and for some reason, something isn't clicking. I only got to the first three matches, and I don't know. None of the wrestlers are that memorable, except for Human Tornado (who NEEDS to be signed somewhere) and Lufisto, who I pretty much know her as the girl who wrestles guys (of course the fact that they are/were members of the wrestlecrap boards is simply a coincedence as I don't really suck up to people on the board, well, except for Quake when he posted, I sucked up to him, and sometimes I give some random shout outs to the mods and....SHUT UP!).
Anyway, what do people think of CZW, and do you think things will get better when I watch more of it, and get the chance to get everything organized.
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JMA
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:01:30 GMT -5
Post by JMA on Jan 9, 2007 23:01:30 GMT -5
I've only seen clips on Fake You TV. I liked what I've seen, though. I was particularly impressed with LuFisto. It's a shame she recently had to retire.
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"IcePic" Rick Cobos
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www.ericbischoff.com - some great comedy material!!!
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:05:03 GMT -5
Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 9, 2007 23:05:03 GMT -5
Ask this question to the ROH Message Forum.
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:12:29 GMT -5
Post by samachine on Jan 9, 2007 23:12:29 GMT -5
The only reason to watch CZW is to see the PWG talent. So save yourself from the junk and just watch PWG instead
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:15:52 GMT -5
Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2007 23:15:52 GMT -5
I've just started watching CZW from their last 3 shows on, it's a real mixed bag.
Personally as a whole I like it, because they have good wrestling like ROH in some matches but they also have some really good hardcore matches that are more violent than I'll catch on WWE or TNA.
While I'm not huge on Necro Butcher, I see why he has his following. He'll do any damn thing to himself.
Some of the people I really like on CZW are BLK OUT, Tornado, Cheech, Cloudy, Kingston, Gage, Pain, and Hero. There are quite a few more that I've only seen 1-2 matches from that haven't clicked with me yet, but could really easily.
The second half of the Cage of Death card you're watching is pretty good. You also got that damn awesome Cheech v Cloudy match on the first half.
The promotion is a mixed bag, but I like it more so than not.
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:19:11 GMT -5
Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 9, 2007 23:19:11 GMT -5
I watched a bit of it, and I guess I also compare it somewhat to ROH, and I find myself more excited to see ROH matches then the CZW ones, and I find myself more into the ROH matches. I'm a huge fan of violence and hardcore type matches, but there seems to be a huge difference between what Necro Butcher does, and what Mick Foley does, or Sandman, Sabu, Raven and others who are known for the violent matches.
Again, once I get everything organized, I'll be able to watch more of it and be able to rate it a little better.
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:22:50 GMT -5
Post by HMARK Center on Jan 9, 2007 23:22:50 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think there's a whole ton of difference between what Necro does and what many of the "classic" hardcore wrestlers did. Those guys had the power of Heyman's storytelling behind them, but Necro's pretty damned good at doing "good storytelling ultraviolence".
As for CZW, there's some talent there that I like, but the promotion's too much, as it was said, of a mixed bag for me to really commit to watching it consistently.
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CZW
Jan 9, 2007 23:58:11 GMT -5
Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 9, 2007 23:58:11 GMT -5
I went to a CZW and it was really mixed bag-like (essentially a running theme of this thread). The guys I liked were all guys I'd seen in Chikara prior. Nobody new to me really stood out as noteworthy.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 0:09:24 GMT -5
Post by Timmy8271 on Jan 10, 2007 0:09:24 GMT -5
I've only seen a few CZW matches. I just watched Necro Butcher vs Eddie Kingston. It was my first time seeing Kingston. I like Kingston and BLK OUT. He's not the best wrestler in the world but he's entertaining. I'm a big fan of Necro Butcher. The Difference between him and a guy Like Zandig or Mad Man Pondo is Necro is likeable. Plus he's a crazy bastard.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 0:55:51 GMT -5
Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 10, 2007 0:55:51 GMT -5
I likes me some CZW. I'm generally turned off by matches in which wrestlers are ostensibly and explicitly cut up / injured, so I'm not a fan of guys like Nick Gage. I do, however, appreciate great wrestling and high-flying action, which is why I mark out for such CZW talent as Nate webb, JC Bailey, Ruckus, Sexxxy Eddie, and The Messiah, not to mention former CZW superstar Nick Mondo (and now, sadly, LuFisto). And despite his inclination to put his body through ridiculous abuse, Necro Butcher is awesome to watch, as he's one of the best brawlers I've ever seen.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 1:05:27 GMT -5
Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 10, 2007 1:05:27 GMT -5
I likes me some CZW. I'm generally turned off by matches in which wrestlers are ostensibly and explicitly cut up / injured, so I'm not a fan of guys like Nick Gage. I do, however, appreciate great wrestling and high-flying action, which is why I mark out for such CZW talent as Nate webb, JC Bailey, Ruckus, Sexxxy Eddie, and The Messiah, not to mention former CZW superstar Nick Mondo (and now, sadly, LuFisto). And despite his inclination to put his body through ridiculous abuse, Necro Butcher is awesome to watch, as he's one of the best brawlers I've ever seen. All's I'm gonna say is that Sexxxy Eddy is, indeed, awesome.
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vinniemac
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 1:59:37 GMT -5
Post by vinniemac on Jan 10, 2007 1:59:37 GMT -5
I likes me some CZW. I'm generally turned off by matches in which wrestlers are ostensibly and explicitly cut up / injured, so I'm not a fan of guys like Nick Gage. The guy has a lot more in 'em than that. He used to be a regular on the ROH lower/midcard 5 years ago, or so.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 2:09:38 GMT -5
Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 10, 2007 2:09:38 GMT -5
I likes me some CZW. I'm generally turned off by matches in which wrestlers are ostensibly and explicitly cut up / injured, so I'm not a fan of guys like Nick Gage. The guy has a lot more in 'em than that. He used to be a regular on the ROH lower/midcard 5 years ago, or so. No kidding! Based on what I've seen in CZW, I'd never have known. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing particularly bad about Gage, but I don't see anything particularly great about him, either. To me, he's just a guy who is extremely (foolishly?) committed to CZW in the sense that he puts his body through terrible abuse to get over. I've seen Necro Butcher get over without resorting to deathmatch bloodletting, but I can't say the same for Gage.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 9:46:18 GMT -5
Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jan 10, 2007 9:46:18 GMT -5
everytime czw comes up I always shill how great a year 2005 was for czw and how bad it's gotten recently.
czw in 2005 = greatness with the one of the best tournaments they've ever ran (best of the best 5) and some storylines that actually made you care about what's going on.
czw in 2006 = shell of it's former self with the only interesting thing going on was kingston as champ and necro butcher being well necro butcher.
if you want to see something that does have hardcore but also a good variety of other types of wrestling thrown in check out IWA MS. TPI is a must buy from them and I also thought the revolution strong style tournament they had this year was great too, plus it's the only indy at the moment that BOOKS LOW-KI!!!
so in conclusion, if you want to see what czw was when it was awesome and/or great watch it in 2005. if you want to see what czw should be currently watch IWA MS.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 9:50:09 GMT -5
Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Jan 10, 2007 9:50:09 GMT -5
I'm a moderatly big fan of CZW, I really enjoy the work of Nick Gage, Justice Pain, Necro Butcher, Sexxy Eddie,BLK OUT, DJ Hyde, Cheech, Cloudy and I love(ed) the Kings of Wrestling.
CZW's booking is a bit fudged up but I still enjoy it
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 10:00:32 GMT -5
Post by Big BosskMan on Jan 10, 2007 10:00:32 GMT -5
A long time ago I used to be able to watch some Fake You TV (CZW's television show).
I've been to several CZW events including CoD 5, Street Fight 2K4, CoD 6, An Afternoon of Main Events, and the 2006 Tournament of Death.
While the shows were entertaining, there were more than your fair share of fans trying to get themselves over at the expense of the show - which annoys the crap out of me.
This was very apparent at ToD 2006 where some fat, pasty slug was riding Brain Damage all afternoon. BD finally had enough after one of his matches and went to confront the fan - who cowardly hid behind a tree.
Personally I think the in-ring product is so-so. I've gotten to see a lot of performers who went on to ROH and other places.
My main gripe with CZW is the fact that shows never, ever, ever start on time. ToD 2006 was a good two hours late getting started and it was held outside in about 90 degree heat and humidity. Luckily my friends and I arrived late so we didn't have to deal with it but we heard about it all afternoon.
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 10:17:48 GMT -5
Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 10, 2007 10:17:48 GMT -5
I myself enjoy Nick Gage, Necro, Lufisto (somewhat), and BLK OUT. They have good storyline development but they just have too much bad IMO. I like Gage and his loose cannon type character lately. Kingston is okay. He can take a beating but his offense leaves alot to be desired for. I LOVE the BLK OUT gimmick. Ruckus does really well for himself. I liked Team Andrew in the Last Team Standing event. Their MMA style looked good. I see good stuff in most their roster and let me say this right now.
Dead Presidents = Worst waxing tag team ever. God they're horrible. If you've seen "Last Team Standing", you know what I mean.
CZW has ton of potential. They have more of a variety than ROH, but books itself into a hole (Zandig's fault) and some stuff comes off as second rate.
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kinkymagic
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Jan 10, 2007 11:53:08 GMT -5
Post by kinkymagic on Jan 10, 2007 11:53:08 GMT -5
Always loved team masturbation. P.S anyone think Nick Gage looks like Karl Pilkington?
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 11:54:18 GMT -5
Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Jan 10, 2007 11:54:18 GMT -5
Always loved team masturbation. P.S anyone think Nick Gage looks like Karl Pilkington? Dunno who the other guy is but I can see the resemblance
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kinkymagic
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Your t-shirts are too tight too Billy!
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CZW
Jan 10, 2007 12:05:43 GMT -5
Post by kinkymagic on Jan 10, 2007 12:05:43 GMT -5
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