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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 30, 2007 17:33:38 GMT -5
Um, when Jim Ross said that ECW wouldn't be the same after Vince was on it... he said... "And ECW will NEVER....EVVVVVVER be the same again."
Jericho. ECW tonight. Believe it.
JR wouldn't lead us in the wrong direction, now would he?
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 30, 2007 17:37:27 GMT -5
Um, when Jim Ross said that ECW wouldn't be the same after Vince was on it... he said... "And ECW will NEVER....EVVVVVVER be the same again." Jericho. ECW tonight. Believe it. JR wouldn't lead us in the wrong direction, now would he? To answer that, I would like to pose a factual statement. Skittles are not fruity, fruity, fruity, delicious, fruity, and delicious. |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 30, 2007 17:51:08 GMT -5
Imagine if Stevie Ray were on commentary how times we would hear "FRUITY BOOTY" during that ad?
And JR did say that ECW would never ever be the same again after tonight.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jan 30, 2007 18:12:49 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but you all sound like "The Rise and Fall of ECW" marks. It really doesn't sound like any of you have any knowledge of ECW other than that video. Probably a lot of you do, and I have to give it to the ECW of old to make people feel this way. It's an incredible bond that this promotion had with people. But it still doesn't make you all sound nothing more than sheep...(just think about that next time you complain, at least try to make it sound less sheepish, but that's just if you wanna win me over, and I don't think many care)
Anyway, I was pissed at first with the direction they took ECW into. But some of it was to be expected.
1) Vince couldn't build his company around the old fan base.
Sure, the letters "E-C-W" in that order are a license to print money....if you are catering to all of two million people. Let's just take away the "smarks" for a second. How many of Vince's audience knew about ECW before he revived it. Most of his fan base (except the two million I mentioned) are new fans. I've seen it all around, GameFAQs, etc. Many started watching AFTER the Alliance, with all the old casuals leaving after that storyline. If RAW gets a 4.2 rating, that means that AT LEAST 2.2 million of them are people who have never had exposure to ECW. Let's not forget that the TV show bombed, and that only the East Coast saw the show, if they could be up at 3 AM, or tape traders/"smarks". So you eliminate another fraction of WWE fans that have had exposure to what "a supreme wrestling show" is.
By this, is he supposed to "treat" his loyal fans to a show that caters to them? Is he supposed to reward these select few (probably 35% of his fan base) to a show and accept low ratings? Yeah, I wish he would be content with the 1.2 people watching the show, and reward us loyal fans with one good show, but he isn't. He isn't wrong for it.
He (tried) to change the brand to fit the formula that bought in all the 4.2s. Excuse him for trying to get the ratings he gets with RAW on another show to make him more money.
2) He only used the ECW name to generate interest.
And you all Goddamn know it! I was surprised and excited too to hear that ECW would be coming back. And I was gullible enough to believe that we'd be getting shows on par to the original ONS. But we didn't. After the success of the DVD, and the PPV, Vince knew ECW was a money maker. Of course, to believe that he wanted it to be bought back as anything but a money maker is complete crap.
Maybe he started off with good intentions, letting Heyman try to recreate what made him so much money, but control it so it wouldn't go under again. Through all the politicking, and his own interest (because, believe me, "garbage wrestling" is not what he likes, he only resorted to it in WWE to beat WCW), he took the magic away from ECW. And in his mind I KNOW that he thinks that if ECW went under once and failed to launch a national platform, something would have to be done to make it compatible with the rest of the audience.
3) Vince tried to make it compatible to his audience
I see a lot of complaints about ECW using Holly, Test and Lashley. I also see people saying that the ECW originals could work circles around these guys. Guess what? It doesn't matter when the name of the game is to make a dollar. As I said before, more than half of his audience doesn't know what a Sandman is. More than half of his audience doesn't like a 20 minute technical bout, or a 5 minute hardcore match. More than half of his audience cheers for Lashley, and cheered the hell outta Holly when he went for Lesnar.
I could probably go on and on, and I should, but I will end it here. My disgust for the product has ended, and it's just sitting there in the back of my mind. At one point I was this brand's biggest supporter. But now after I saw it, I'm not even a WWE fan anymore. Maybe people like us all suffer from "old people syndrome", where anything new stinks. Maybe all us fans are just at that age. You can go on about ROH and stuff, but then again, I prefer heavy metal of the late 80s-early 90s to mostly anything today, but I still have some new bands I like too.
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Post by miked on Jan 30, 2007 20:37:07 GMT -5
A few months ago, people were saying "This isn't the same ECW as before." Now, I'm saying, "This isn't ECW anymore." There is nothing Extreme about it. When they did have the Extreme matches, the "ECW Originals" were the only ones thaking the big bumps. Now, Vince is complaining about guys like Sandman and Sabu. The reason Sandman and Sabu aren't very good is because they're out of their element. Putting them in a wrestling match is like putting Big Show in a Lucha Libre Match.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 30, 2007 20:43:26 GMT -5
I never expected the WWE's version of ECW to be any different to their other two brands.
I was right, the only difference is that it is crapper. After the first episode I realised how bad it was and decided to give it a miss.
If Lashley and Test are the champion and number one contender I can see that no significant improvement has been made.
I'm happier avoiding it altogether.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jan 31, 2007 0:29:12 GMT -5
Thats cause every rose has its thorn every night has its dawn every cowboy has a sad sad song every rose has its thorn God thats so waxing emo! apparantley you have never heard of every rose has its thorn by poison. Its not emo its a power ballad. |
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jan 31, 2007 0:31:04 GMT -5
oh btw if vince and co decide to inject ECW with "poison" HE'D BE LISTENING TO THE FANS!!!
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 31, 2007 0:44:22 GMT -5
A few months ago, people were saying "This isn't the same ECW as before." Now, I'm saying, "This isn't ECW anymore." There is nothing Extreme about it. When they did have the Extreme matches, the "ECW Originals" were the only ones thaking the big bumps. Now, Vince is complaining about guys like Sandman and Sabu. The reason Sandman and Sabu aren't very good is because they're out of their element. Putting them in a wrestling match is like putting Big Show in a Lucha Libre Match. is Sabu a GREAT hardcore wrestler? No doubt about it! But he can do so much more. You must watch more matches that he mat wrestles and use nice high flying manuevers.(Against Rob Van Dam even!) |
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