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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 21, 2007 18:23:19 GMT -5
The one thing I've never understood is things like "Well just because someone dies doesnt mean you should forget all the bad things about them"
No, it doesnt, but does a RIP/tribute thread (Which this obviously isnt) have to be the place for that? We complain enough about these people when they are alive, after all.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 21, 2007 18:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 18:29:16 GMT -5
The one thing I've never understood is things like "Well just because someone dies doesnt mean you should forget all the bad things about them" No, it doesnt, but does a RIP/tribute thread (Which this obviously isnt) have to be the place for that? We complain enough about these people when they are alive, after all. Some people just have to be "edgy" or "real" or whatever passes for an excuse in their own heads. Without realizing what kind of attention their attracting for themselves. I think we can agree that I don't like watching Hulk Hogan. (Dur) I think I've managed not to crap all over him in this thread. See how that works? Fun for the entire family.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 21, 2007 18:34:21 GMT -5
The one thing I've never understood is things like "Well just because someone dies doesnt mean you should forget all the bad things about them" No, it doesnt, but does a RIP/tribute thread (Which this obviously isnt) have to be the place for that? We complain enough about these people when they are alive, after all. Some people just have to be "edgy" or "real" or whatever passes for an excuse in their own heads. Without realizing what kind of attention their attracting for themselves. I think we can agree that I don't like watching Hulk Hogan. (Dur) I think I've managed not to crap all over him in this thread. See how that works? Fun for the entire family. Exactly! You don't need to get yourself over, least of all in a death/tribute thread. Like the morons who were vandalizing Bam Bam's wikipedia the other day. If you dont like someone, just say "RIP" or, hell, dont say anything at all. But dont tell us why you're glad their dead and how evil they were when they were alive. I was never entertained by anything Chris Candido ever did, but, I wrote occasional wrestling blogs for a small sports news site at the time of his death, and I wrote a small tribute article for him simply for the fact he tried to entertain us, and as far as a lot of people were concerned, he succeeded.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 18:35:51 GMT -5
Precisely. I so need to have a sig that says "IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, Y'KNOW!" I never understand people who have to get themselves over. We'll like you on your own merits - you don't need cheap pops/heat.
And don't start me on Wikipedia. That whole thing pisses me off no end.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 22, 2007 0:42:32 GMT -5
I would expect no less than a RAW IS HOGAN show, which will be replayed or redone for SMACKDOWN. ECW may not even still be on the air, so I'm not factoring that in.
I have fond memories of the Hulkster from my childhood, but the adult fan in my will always be aware of the nastiness that Hogan has done to others.
That being said, I won't cry for him, like I did upon seeing the Eddy tribute, or the RAW IS OWEN show. I'll be sad, and I will feel for his family.
But I will not shed tears.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 22, 2007 6:27:39 GMT -5
I will also say this, I don't think that any of us know Hulk Hogan personally, so we really don't have a right to "hate" him, especially to the point that we factor in all the "flaws that we know of" as an even playing feild to coinside with his life coming to an end. Give me a break.
My Grandmother, Unfortunately, is going to pass on in a couple of months. She's done some pretty bad things to the family during certain times, but when she's gone, It's not like I'm going to say "Yeah, but she didn't give me a birthday present in 1993 so I'm not going to cry about It."
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jan 22, 2007 8:55:29 GMT -5
I don't like Hogan at all. He always only knew a handful of moves, is a bad actor, a liar, an egomaniac, and now even stinks up non-wrestling-related TV time with an awful, obviously fake "reality" show to push the career of his neither talented nor beautiful daughter. Well, that's my opinion, and it won't change if the big man dies.
I sill don't wish him anything bad, because I don't know him personally and he has never done anything against me. If I don't want to watch him on my TV or read about him on the net, I can always change the channel, press stop or stop reading.
And I realise how much he has done for the business with his impressive physique, his (sometimes) great promos and the tons of charisma he has. So I don't hate him, he has my respect, but not my sympathy. I won't be glad when he passes on or anything, but I won't be sad either.
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Post by detroitpaul on Jan 22, 2007 9:03:44 GMT -5
While I will be sad when he goes, I doubt I would be moved to tears. I've been watching him since he teamed with Backlund against the Samoans, just before Hulkamania started to take off. My opinion is his death would not hit people as hard because he is not an active wrestler. Sure, he will get his own tribute show. But if you think of the deaths of Eddie and Owen, they were still deep into their careers. I could have seen Eddies demise because of his hard life. But when Owen died, that really hit me. I have the Raw tribute on tape and still occasionally watch it. It reminds me that while I still watch the soap opera every week, these guys are actual people with feelings.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 22, 2007 9:30:31 GMT -5
When Hogan dies.... a small part of me will die with him... I'll break down and cry and probally play "Real American" on my stereo all day.... I'll probally hunt down a copy of that "Hulk Rules" CD and play "Hulkster in Heaven" and than play every wrestling game i have and kick ass with Hogan... giving him every title i can
And the WWE better dedicate A whole PPV to him... and realease a Gigantic ten disc set on DVD chronicalling all his matches, promo's and everything...
Hell WWE should convince USA to run a "Hogan Memorial Day" showing all his classic matches and such!
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Post by ICBM on Jan 22, 2007 9:35:36 GMT -5
The rumors of Hogan's demise are greatly exaggerated. Lou Zhampharini reference?
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Post by skskillz on Jan 22, 2007 9:48:20 GMT -5
Exactly! You don't need to get yourself over, least of all in a death/tribute thread. Like the morons who were vandalizing Bam Bam's wikipedia the other day. If you dont like someone, just say "RIP" or, hell, dont say anything at all. But dont tell us why you're glad their dead and how evil they were when they were alive. Wrestling fans? Trying to put themselves over? Get out of town! The funny thing is, Hogan hasn't even done anything wrong (to my knowledge). I know most of this board is young and naive, but I swear, spend 10 years in the business world and you'll see tons of Hulk Hogan's and Steve Austin's. Chances are you'll see a Triple H as well (guy who marries into the family and gets all the perks). People in the business world ALWAYS look out for themselves. Wrestling just happens to be a business where you are paid based on your place in the card (or at least it was when Hogan was around). If you're not main eventing, your pay goes down. If Hogan's biggest crime was that he cared more about himself than the business he used to support himself, then we'll all be guilty of that "crime" in life. If we're using backstage politics in a fake sport to determine whether to be "sad" for a human being's death tells me a lot about certain wrestling fans. I know wrestling fans and class don't necessarily go together too often (see the embarrassing Hall of Fame crowds), but this is ridiculous. The Bam Bam wiki debacle is just another example.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 22, 2007 9:54:38 GMT -5
^^^ Of course they're out there in the real world. I've worked with them. And wanted to do something vaguely Benoit-inspired to each and every one of them.
And we try to keep a lid on people acting like complete dorks, particularly where wrestlers and their real lives are involved.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 22, 2007 10:15:22 GMT -5
^^^ Of course they're out there in the real world. I've worked with them. And wanted to do something vaguely Benoit-inspired to each and every one of them. I know how you feel. I'd be lying if I said I never imagined putting a co-worker in the Angle Lock until I heard a snapping sound. That's just the real world. If I was in a position where I could make the most money and monopolize a top executive position, I'd do it too. Most people would. Doesn't make them bad people. I say save the resentment for murderers, or rapists, or child molestors, etc. Not wrestlers who have political clout.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 22, 2007 10:41:53 GMT -5
I think everyone just needs a scapegoat, and the more visable they are, the better, IE, Hogan. Failing that, Hunter.
I was a huge HHHater from 2002-2005, but, I read something in an interview with HHH that (true or not) really spoke volumes to me.
The question was something along the lines of "Why wouldn't you drop the title to Booker, Kane, or RVD?" and HHH's answer was "No one ever asked me to."
I read that and was just stunned by my own stupidity. Somehow, that was never an option to me, HHH HAD TO USE POLITICKS HE REFUSES TEH JOB
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Jan 22, 2007 11:14:13 GMT -5
I think everyone just needs a scapegoat, and the more visable they are, the better, IE, Hogan. Failing that, Hunter. I was a huge HHHater from 2002-2005, but, I read something in an interview with HHH that (true or not) really spoke volumes to me. The question was something along the lines of "Why wouldn't you drop the title to Booker, Kane, or RVD?" and HHH's answer was "No one ever asked me to." I read that and was just stunned by my own stupidity. Somehow, that was never an option to me, HHH HAD TO USE POLITICKS HE REFUSES TEH JOB I remember that interview, and my reaction was similar. And it seems that every great accomplishment that Hogan has done in wrestling has been pushed aside for some horrible backstage injustice that he's committed to other wrestlers. When we should be reminded that if it weren't for Hogan and the opportunity he was given, wrestling would not be anywhere near what it is and was. I don't like the fact that he had a hand in hurting the careers of others, but I can't control that. So why bother? I will suggest that they ban Shane Douglas from the Funeral. His eulogy would be nothing short of scathing.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 22, 2007 12:46:02 GMT -5
some people are just ignorant
I hate getting lumped together as a "Younger Fan" Im 18 and i personally could give a f*** less what Hogan did backstage
He was/IS the single most important Wrestler of all time. He means more to the business than anyone... more than HBK, Rock Austin or even Flair.
And most of the people here have no resoect for him. Eitther theyre to young or to stupid to read the bullshit they type.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 22, 2007 13:04:44 GMT -5
Hogan's done a lot for the business, good and bad. His detractors like to forget the good, and his fans like to ignore the bad.
His detractors are so busy raving about how many people's careers he ruined, how egomaniacal he is, and more, that they forget that he helped usher pro wrestling out of the small market it once held and into the spotlight of America's mainstream. Even though Andre is credited with selling out WrestleMania 3, Hogan was still a big part of that. And he carried the WW(F)E through the 80's almost single-handedly.
His fans also like to forget the careers he ruined. It's cliche, but I've got three words for you: World Championship Wrestling. WCW went under because they never could get past the Hogan/nWo era. Hogan refused to put a number of people over, and Bischoff was scared to death to do away with his most successful angle. Bischoff and Russo deserve the majority of the blame for WCW's demise (IMO), but Hogan had a small hand in it. Hundreds of people lost their jobs because WCW died, and even baring only the smallest fraction of the responsibility for that will always be a dark spot on his legacy.
However, to quote another cliche, no one is perfect. Even Ghandi made a few mistakes. (I'm not likening Hogan to Ghandi, BTW). Hogan will long be remembered as a VERY important part of pro wrestling's history. And in an industry that tends to ignore and rewrite its history, that will always be one hell of an accomplishment.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 22, 2007 14:55:50 GMT -5
I will suggest that they ban Shane Douglas from the Funeral. His eulogy would be nothing short of scathing.[/quote] True, but Shane Douglas Isn't Hulk Hogan, which is the same as I could say for most guys.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 22, 2007 14:58:27 GMT -5
Hogan's done a lot for the business, good and bad. His detractors like to forget the good, and his fans like to ignore the bad. His detractors are so busy raving about how many people's careers he ruined, how egomaniacal he is, and more, that they forget that he helped usher pro wrestling out of the small market it once held and into the spotlight of America's mainstream. Even though Andre is credited with selling out WrestleMania 3, Hogan was still a big part of that. And he carried the WW(F)E through the 80's almost single-handedly. His fans also like to forget the careers he ruined. It's cliche, but I've got three words for you: World Championship Wrestling. WCW went under because they never could get past the Hogan/nWo era. Hogan refused to put a number of people over, and Bischoff was scared to death to do away with his most successful angle. Bischoff and Russo deserve the majority of the blame for WCW's demise (IMO), but Hogan had a small hand in it. Hundreds of people lost their jobs because WCW died, and even baring only the smallest fraction of the responsibility for that will always be a dark spot on his legacy. However, to quote another cliche, no one is perfect. Even Ghandi made a few mistakes. (I'm not likening Hogan to Ghandi, BTW). Hogan will long be remembered as a VERY important part of pro wrestling's history. And in an industry that tends to ignore and rewrite its history, that will always be one hell of an accomplishment. And you may have a point there, but my point in turn is basically this: You can blame Hogan (Or HHH) all day for the things he "did", but in the end the blame really falls on the Bischoffs and the McMahons that allow them to do it.
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