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Post by angryfan on Jan 27, 2007 1:16:32 GMT -5
Hogan has put over plenty of people. He (along with Vince) MADE wrestling, it's really simple. Being the biggest draw, in hindsight, DOES make you the best wrestler in the world, hell just ask any (good) wrestler, its all they talk about. I just hate the convoluted argument of "I did" anything, in terms of the wrestling business. The claims of Hogan being the best ever because he "made the most money" assumes that, regardless of who was in the ring with him, at any point in his career, he made money. Sorry, that's not the case. Think Sterling Golden vs Greg Gagne wouldve packed the house for the AWA? Hell no. They had to put Hogan in there with THEIR top guys for fans to see him as important. Yes, the charisma got him over to a point, but it took someone the fans already saw as important to make him matter on that level. With WWF, if they'd just run a Hogan vs jobber marathon, would people have cared? No. They had him start with guys in the mid-card who fans knew, and that built something. Then Sheik, then Andre, and the list goes on. Guys who were already viewed as important helped establish Hogan, and therefore, were equally responsible for the big gates that came in during the "rise of Hukamania". Yeah, went off on a rant, sorry, but in essence, it wasn't just him, nor was it just Vince, but a group effort by a lot of people, and he was the "poster boy". It worked, but just because it worked, doesn't mean that no one else should get any credit, which seems to be the mentality I see so often. |
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Post by carter 15 on Jan 27, 2007 1:20:51 GMT -5
Yeah but its not like that logical booking (which you just described) would've worked with anyone. It was a group effort your right, but Vince & Hogan were both the ones that collectively made it work most.
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 27, 2007 1:26:36 GMT -5
Wow by looking at that list, I got +3 pojnts of Hogan Hate.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 27, 2007 1:28:02 GMT -5
Yeah but its not like that logical booking (which you just described) would've worked with anyone. It was a group effort your right, but Vince & Hogan were both the ones that collectively made it work most. I'd say Vince moreso. Watch WWF back in the day, you were hardpressed NOT to see celebs on the show. Lauper, Mr T, Ali showed up, and they ALWAYS had someone sitting ringside. The celebs, and Vince's co-marketing with the glamrock craze was just perfect, and, to me, was what made it so big at the time. It was one of those "right place, right time, everything clicked" deals. Hogan's look helped a lot in the marketing, that's a definite, but others, at the time, could've fit the role. For some reason, though, I'm now getting images of them trying the same with Superstar Graham in a leisure suit, dancing with Olivia Newton John, and I want to kill something. |
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Post by reiko22 on Jan 27, 2007 1:42:14 GMT -5
actually I think it was interesting
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on Jan 27, 2007 5:58:18 GMT -5
Yeah, but you got to admit, he needed to job to Orton. That would have put his legend killer gimmick so much more over than it already is. Orton hasn't exactly been hurt by the loss, though. He's teaming with Edge and in an arguably higher-profile feud than the WWE champion is. And as much as I hate to defend that mess of an angle, it made sense for Hogan to win - defending the honour of his daugher and all that jazz. And it's not like Orton's not going to win the title further down the line. |
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Post by Loki on Jan 27, 2007 8:34:56 GMT -5
The whole "Hogan made most money --> he's the best" vs "Hogan was a poor wrestler and a backstage politician ---> he's Satan" argument has to be the most tiresome and tired topic in the wrestling world.
Hogan wasn't a saint, and sure did have a word or two in some debatable calls (Megapowers and WMIX above all), but he kinda "earned" such right because indeed he was the most popular guy on the roster for something like 10 years (in WWF).
So I can't really blame him for being "conservative" and "overprotective"... After all, if Vince was dead sure about his own plans and ideas, nobody in the locker room would have changed his mind...
Hogan was still making money and putting butts on the seats, so from a business standpoint it was a reasonable idea to milk Hulkamania for what was worth rather than risking with something "new".
Clearly, there's no denying Hogan didn't singlehandedly MAKE pro wrestling, and he was only the "cover guy" but he deserves credit for what he has done. And a bit of flack for his attitude too.
But such things like "Hogan's list of dirty deeds" are pathetic...
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 27, 2007 12:48:55 GMT -5
The whole "Hogan made most money --> he's the best" vs "Hogan was a poor wrestler and a backstage politician ---> he's Satan" argument has to be the most tiresome and tired topic in the wrestling world. Hogan wasn't a saint, and sure did have a word or two in some debatable calls (Megapowers and WMIX above all), but he kinda "earned" such right because indeed he was the most popular guy on the roster for something like 10 years (in WWF). So I can't really blame him for being "conservative" and "overprotective"... After all, if Vince was dead sure about his own plans and ideas, nobody in the locker room would have changed his mind... Hogan was still making money and putting butts on the seats, so from a business standpoint it was a reasonable idea to milk Hulkamania for what was worth rather than risking with something "new". Clearly, there's no denying Hogan didn't singlehandedly MAKE pro wrestling, and he was only the "cover guy" but he deserves credit for what he has done. And a bit of flack for his attitude too. But such things like "Hogan's list of dirty deeds" are pathetic... AMEN. Everyone thinks that they know what goes on behind the scenes, and why. There are alot more things going on than what gets reported. I've had long conversations with many, many wrestlers about things like this, and the guys that "hate" Hogan, are more respectfull towards him than most wrestling fans. When you read words like "bullcrap", or "He's a polititian" we think of them saying it with an angry face and a loathsome tone, but it's really not the case. The're in the same business, understand it, and know what and why the dicisions are being made and when there's any conflict of ideologies, the arguments are totally different than what most fans think. I've learned alot about many different aspects of the business. And yes, Hogan was a mojor politition. But what does that mean? it's different than what many will tell you. I'm a huge Hogan fan, but that dosen't mean that I'm being biased. I used to be a the type of Hogan fan that ignored all the bad rep. Then, (like most fans or "smarks") learned about Hogan's political nature (or so I thought I did) and this is the point that most fans stop progressing as fans at this point. they never leave this point, take all the dirt sheets and use it as there info, and let the hate pile and pile up. It's important to move pass this stage and seek the truth about pro wrestling. Then I learned the TRUE (so far, mabe a small percentage of) aspects of the business and am still learning. And man, let me tell you, this stuff is fasinating! Only then, will you be able to watch a match and truely see things that no one else sees, and begin to see who the true talents are, and will be able to tell, just by watching 3 minutes of a match, what kinds of decistions are being made backstage. Who they really are trying to push and not, ect...ect. I think that Hogan is misunderstood to such an extent that it may never go away. I've made arrangements to start training at wrestling school (not sure when I'm going) and I know someone that's already training. In my opinion, Hogan's decisions during his time are 75% accurate. I don't want to make another long post about each one, but if you ask me about one, I'll be more than happy to explain what I think If you let me. ;D |
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Post by normcoleman on Jan 27, 2007 12:59:06 GMT -5
Only time I truly enjoyed Hogan was when he was Hollywood
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jan 27, 2007 13:26:26 GMT -5
In January 1996, Hogan was sued for allegedly sexually assaulting a woman named Kate Kennedy. KENNEDY!!! |
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Post by The Boss on Jan 28, 2007 16:53:18 GMT -5
Yeah, but you got to admit, he needed to job to Orton. That would have put his legend killer gimmick so much more over than it already is. On the contrary, losing to HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was the best thing for Orton's career. That legend killer gimmick was making Orton look like he could only handle older guys. What he needed was a legend to end that image and put him back on track so he could focus on today's wrestlers. And who better than the biggest legend of them all HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN? If Orton had won the match with HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN the WWF would be forced to dig up more legends for him to face, none of whom would be able to live up to the level of HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN thus forever sending Orton's career into a repetitious and stale tailspin. This way Orton got the huge push and exposure of facing HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN while at the same time end his legend killer gimmick. |
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