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Post by Banned Member on Jan 28, 2007 2:18:24 GMT -5
None taken. But you can study, and watch all the old footage you want it still isn't the same as actually seeing it. Thats why I get so pissed when some young pup gets all pissed that Hogan or another old guy makes a return. Those are the guys I grew up with. Those are my heros, and I know someday they will dissapear off my tv for good. So I like to enjoy them while there still around. That's fine, but don't assume I'm some ignorant little kid everytime I post against the old guys, because chances are I've seen all their stuff, and enjoyed it, but that doesn't mean that they deserve to still be hanging around. Youth is entertaining, Hogan hobbling about isn't. Well Vince needs to build them young guys up because the only one I actually give a damn about is Punk, and only cause he has grown on me.
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Post by JMA on Jan 28, 2007 2:19:25 GMT -5
To be fair, there are fans that don't want to see their heroes in matches again. It can actually ruin those good memories. I grew up with Hogan and was a die-hard Hulkamaniac, but that doesn't mean I want to see him wrestle now. It's not because I'm a smark either--his matches just don't entertain me now.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 28, 2007 2:21:06 GMT -5
That's fine, but don't assume I'm some ignorant little kid everytime I post against the old guys, because chances are I've seen all their stuff, and enjoyed it, but that doesn't mean that they deserve to still be hanging around. Youth is entertaining, Hogan hobbling about isn't. Well Vince needs to build them young guys up because the only one I actually give a damn about is Punk, and only cause he has grown on me. But he can't do that with Hogan, Flair, Shawn, 'Taker and all the rest of the retirement home rejects basically commanding air time. Those guys were good in their day, no doubt, and Shawn and 'Taker can still have their moments, but the young guys will never get a push with Shawn constantly in the main event and 'Taker squashing every new guy that comes through the company at least once.
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Post by Banned Member on Jan 28, 2007 2:25:29 GMT -5
Well Vince needs to build them young guys up because the only one I actually give a damn about is Punk, and only cause he has grown on me. But he can't do that with Hogan, Flair, Shawn, 'Taker and all the rest of the retirement home rejects basically commanding air time. Those guys were good in their day, no doubt, and Shawn and 'Taker can still have their moments, but the young guys will never get a push with Shawn constantly in the main event and 'Taker squashing every new guy that comes through the company at least once. Be fair now Batista is in his damn 40's if anyone should go it's him, but the Flair act I am getting sick of, and Hogan comes around like once.
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Post by Garee on Jan 28, 2007 2:27:14 GMT -5
No, please no, no more Horsemen, just let it die, they will never be as good as the original and thats final
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 28, 2007 2:27:50 GMT -5
But he can't do that with Hogan, Flair, Shawn, 'Taker and all the rest of the retirement home rejects basically commanding air time. Those guys were good in their day, no doubt, and Shawn and 'Taker can still have their moments, but the young guys will never get a push with Shawn constantly in the main event and 'Taker squashing every new guy that comes through the company at least once. Be fair now Batista is in his damn 40's if anyone should go it's him, but the Flair act I am getting sick of, and Hogan comes around like once. Batista I definetly agree with. He's the worst champion in recent WWE history in my opinion. Flair's act's been stale since 99 or 2000, and that's coming from a diehard Flair mark, so I agree with you there. Hogan, however, completely kills guys whenever he decides he wants to come in and make a decent paycheck. He's squashed one of the biggest stars of the 90's, and a guy who has potential to be one of the biggest stars of this decade in the past year.
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Post by JMA on Jan 28, 2007 2:35:10 GMT -5
In the long-term, the WWF was really lucky when Hogan and co. left for WCW in the early and mid-nineties. Without that exodus, new stars might not have been created. It also forced Vince to look outside his own promotion and use different ideas.
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Post by The Line on Jan 28, 2007 2:43:42 GMT -5
I am not trying to be all anti-hogan here, but I really think he killed any Hussan(I am the biggest Hussan mark, so of course I am bias) heat by squashing him at WM.
And I wouldn't mind a Horseman group, if done right. Flair as the manager. Maybe Kenny in there(as him and Flair have been fueding), WGTT in there and have them win the belts, and some other young guy in there(Johnny Jeter might be nice).
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 28, 2007 3:05:19 GMT -5
Age is not indicative of knowledge, that's a ridiculous argument. I've seen video tape of a vast majority of the major Horsemen accomplishments. I know the history of the Horsmen, from Ric, Arn, Tully, and Ole to the aborted comeback in WCW circa 98. Just because I'm 18, and therefore wasn't around for it firsthand, does not make my opinion any less valid. Don't like vinniemac hear you say that or he'll go off on you everytime you post in the (w)rest of wrestling. You don't have to worry about him, he was banned. And while I defended him in some instances, I'll admit that he was becoming laughable about having the "truth" of Owen Hart's "homicide."
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 28, 2007 3:11:30 GMT -5
Don't like vinniemac hear you say that or he'll go off on you everytime you post in the (w)rest of wrestling. You don't have to worry about him, he was banned. And while I defended him in some instances, I'll admit that he was becoming laughable about having the "truth" of Owen Hart's "homicide." Oh, wow, that sounds like a theory that doesn't ever need to see the light of day again.
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Post by Mad Johnny Maxx on Jan 28, 2007 4:05:08 GMT -5
Well...if there's talks of another rehashing of the Hart Foundation, then having another Four Horsemen come around ain't that far fetched...although I'll second the comment about Evolution.
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Post by peopleschamp on Jan 28, 2007 6:20:35 GMT -5
Yeah pretty much Evolution was the Horsemen incarnate, without Vince having to acknowlege it as such. Though i seem to remember Foley doing a promo with Orton and mentioning Evolution as the bastardisation of the Four Horsemen.
IF and only "IF" They had to do some sort of short-lived 3-6 month rehash, then it should be, Flair, Benoit, Dykstra and Masters. With Arn as Manager and Torrie as the valet/eye candy
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Post by Ratings on Jan 28, 2007 6:37:00 GMT -5
There's a four horsemen dvd coming out?
Sweet.
No to the new four horsemen, by the way.
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Post by Dave FCIC on Jan 28, 2007 7:01:51 GMT -5
Oh I completely agree. I hate that arguement. It smacks of elitism. No offense to you, Merc. None taken. But you can study, and watch all the old footage you want it still isn't the same as actually seeing it. Thats why I get so pissed when some young pup gets all pissed that Hogan or another old guy makes a return. Those are the guys I grew up with. Those are my heros, and I know someday they will dissapear off my tv for good. So I like to enjoy them while there still around. I think most people on these boards grew up watching Hogan and loved him, but still doesn't mean everyones gonna be wanting to see him all the time, I'd prefer to see them trying to make something bigger and better than Hogan than see him.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 28, 2007 9:29:04 GMT -5
Well Vince needs to build them young guys up because the only one I actually give a damn about is Punk, and only cause he has grown on me. But he can't do that with Hogan, Flair, Shawn, 'Taker and all the rest of the retirement home rejects basically commanding air time. Those guys were good in their day, no doubt, and Shawn and 'Taker can still have their moments, but the young guys will never get a push with Shawn constantly in the main event and 'Taker squashing every new guy that comes through the company at least once. For me it's like when Hogan said, "the young guys expect the ball to be handed to them, I want them to come and take the ball"-something to that effect, sorry but I found wrestlers in the 80's and 90's more entertaining, I couldnt care less about kenny or the new guys, they don't interest me in the least, Vince tried to break away from the past in the early 90's, with the "New generation" now he knows he needs them, until he can get at least one new breakout star. As far as the Horseman, NO. I'm beyond that now, I have some of the old footage, and a dvd will be fantastic, but this would be just like the new L.O.D.-do we really need that?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 28, 2007 10:01:05 GMT -5
I am not trying to be all anti-hogan here, but I really think he killed any Hussan(I am the biggest Hussan mark, so of course I am bias) heat by squashing him at WM. That was hardly a squash, all he did was take control of the ring after saving Eugene from a beatdown. Hassan had plenty of heat way after that.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 28, 2007 10:14:25 GMT -5
I would much rather see Flair retire from in-ring competition and be the manager of Chris Benoit. It's still a Horsemen reunion, but it's for more logical.
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Post by davephlegmball on Jan 28, 2007 10:31:56 GMT -5
WWE sucks--they will do it and screw it up royally.
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Post by RedSmile on Jan 28, 2007 11:53:46 GMT -5
I think bringing back the Horsemen would be cool, but only let Flair manage them. Depending on who would be in it, it could be an awesome revival. (In other words keep Masters OUT)
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Post by darthpipes on Jan 28, 2007 12:49:17 GMT -5
No. Let the Horsemen rest in peace. We don't need Vince pissing all over the memory of the greatest faction in wrestling history. Besides, the Horsemen always existed for one reason and one reason only, and that was to help Flair obtain and keep the belt. He's not in a position to hold the title now, so it's not neccesarry. Exactly. Look how Vince destroyed The Invasion Angle and ECW. We don't need him soiling the Horsemen, although he probably will do it. If he did do it, he would replace Flair after the first week, saying the new Horsemen are a failure and would make it more like a WWE faction.
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