"IcePic" Rick Cobos
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 27, 2007 21:29:10 GMT -5
Punk has no respect for veterans, that's why guys like Foley, Steamboat, and Race can't stand him.
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Post by balmudo on Jan 27, 2007 21:39:09 GMT -5
CM Punk raped my grandmother and slaughtered my livestock. Yeah. I'm surprised Meltzer hasn't picked up on those stories...
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 27, 2007 21:41:49 GMT -5
All I can figure out from these stories is CM Punk is the real life version of the NwO...
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Post by Arturo Classico on Jan 27, 2007 21:43:21 GMT -5
Punk has no respect for veterans, that's why guys like Foley, Steamboat, and Race can't stand him. Are you serious? They all love CM Punk especially Steamboat and Foley! It's just jealous agents like Arn and Finlay who will never touch world gold and try to get him depushed because they are jealous that he will be a big star and is over with the crowd and did by himself something they couldn't do!
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Post by The Nature Girl on Jan 27, 2007 22:05:30 GMT -5
One thing I'm wondering: if they're so set about doing Cena/Orton/Edge and the HBK/Booker thing is still not a done deal, is there still a chance that they might decide to a 4-way thing with Cena/Orton/Edge/HBK for the WWE Title after all?
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MichaelRBoh
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Post by MichaelRBoh on Jan 27, 2007 22:17:56 GMT -5
guys, what issue of the observer did it say cm punk was going to win the royal rumble because i never got that in the mail. i'm a subscriber.
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Post by KingPopper on Jan 27, 2007 22:28:09 GMT -5
Punk seems like one of thouse guys where he was big fish in a small pond. People were always telling him how great he is, he was always at the top of the card, and was buddy buddy with promoters and was banging every hot indy girl under the sun. The bad thing is, it sounds like he let it all go to his head. Punk is in WWE now which is whole new world. Back stage attics make and break stars, probably the big undefeated push didnt help anything, Punk could be his own worse enemy. Kinda like what the Rock says... KNOW YOUR ROLE, AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
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JMA
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Post by JMA on Jan 27, 2007 22:28:28 GMT -5
About Punk, I believe the idea that he may have an attitude problem, as I feel that he may think he's better then he actually is. The best example of this is the example Raven gave, when CM Punk actually said Raven didn't make his career. But Raven DIDN'T make his career. It takes two to tango, and the same is true for a feud. Punk did just as much in that feud as Raven, and the matches were probably better than they would have been if Punk wasn't involved. Furthermore, the feud made Raven look good as it did Punk since the storyline was so well done. But Raven didn't "make" Punk--it was a joint effort.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 27, 2007 22:47:32 GMT -5
About Punk, I believe the idea that he may have an attitude problem, as I feel that he may think he's better then he actually is. The best example of this is the example Raven gave, when CM Punk actually said Raven didn't make his career. But Raven DIDN'T make his career. It takes two to tango, and the same is true for a feud. Punk did just as much in that feud as Raven, and the matches were probably better than they would have been if Punk wasn't involved. Furthermore, the feud made Raven look good as it did Punk since the storyline was so well done. But Raven didn't "make" Punk--it was a joint effort. Raven didn't need it though. Everyone knew who Raven was. CM Punk was a nobody. I never even heard of the man, with the internet and all, until I heard that Raven was feuding with him. Hell, I never even heard of ROH until the Raven/Punk feud. Yeah, Punk still put on good matches, but Raven was the man who gave Punk a reputation in wrestling. Nobody gets over by themselves is the best thing that can be said in this situation. Team 3D talked about how if it wasn't for the Eliminators, they would not have been able to take more steps to get to the top and be the tag team that they were. Nobody gets over by themselves. According to Raven, Punk thought that he was a big star before the Raven feud, which is a flat out lie, and it shows his arrogance. Without Raven, Punk may not have become the wrestler he is today, and would not have been as big as he became, and I truely believe that. Hell, in his OVW debut, to put Punk over, Al Snow talked about his feud with "the infamous Raven" to make him look good on OVW television. Yeah, the matches were a joint effort, and Punk was talented to make the feud look good. But Raven was the man who put CM Punk on the map and made him the star that he is today. Without Raven, I guarentee that CM Punk wouldn't be where he is today.
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retard
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Post by retard on Jan 27, 2007 23:09:38 GMT -5
My guess is that Edge and Orton will be the last two in the Rumble, and they would both go out at the same time...then they'll say that means they'll both get to main event Wrestlemania, even though the same thing happened a few years ago and they just restarted with the last two people in the ring. Then they will both challenge Cena, who is going to retain tomorrow.
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Post by JMA on Jan 27, 2007 23:29:47 GMT -5
Raven didn't need it though. Everyone knew who Raven was. CM Punk was a nobody. I never even heard of the man, with the internet and all, until I heard that Raven was feuding with him. Hell, I never even heard of ROH until the Raven/Punk feud. Yeah, Punk still put on good matches, but Raven was the man who gave Punk a reputation in wrestling. How was he a nobody? Just because one person doesn't know about a wrestler doesn't make him a nobody. That seems like fallacious reasoning to me. I first heard of Punk during the Raven feud too, but I KEPT hearing stuff about him after Raven was gone. I heard about his matches with Joe, his interaction with Colt, and his run as champion. And since the feud was Raven's last great feud, Punk must have done something right. I agree with your first statement. Everyone needs some help in wrestling (just like life). As for Punk thinking he was already a big star, that really depends on context. In this case the context COULD be the indies. After all, being a big star in the indies is far different than being a big star in WWE or even TNA. For example, Chris Hero could be considered a "big star" in the indies, as would Colt Cabana. I'm certainly not questioning that Raven put Punk over--he clearly did. However, Punk did more than his fair share of work in that feud. It wasn't Raven that carried it by himself (nor was it Punk for that matter), it depended on both wrestlers. Both of them got something out of it: Punk got more over while Raven got a great feud and great matches out of it. If Raven was feuding with someone like Eric Young instead, this result wouldn't have happened. It mattered that he was working with Punk. Snow was using the most mainstream thing that Punk had been apart of to get him over. But Raven alone did not make Punk the star that he is today. That statement completely invalidates all the hard work that Punk has done as well as the OTHER wrestlers that he's worked with that helped him to get over. I could also argue that without the long matches with Samoa Joe, Punk wouldn't be where he is today. I can't prove that (just as your Raven statement can't be proven), but it was certainly one of the biggest parts of his career. The truth (as I see it) is that Punk is where he is today due to many of the matches and feuds he's had, not just one. And that's all I'm going to say regarding this issue.
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"IcePic" Rick Cobos
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 27, 2007 23:39:13 GMT -5
Punk has no respect for veterans, that's why guys like Foley, Steamboat, and Race can't stand him. Are you serious? They all love CM Punk especially Steamboat and Foley! It's just jealous agents like Arn and Finlay who will never touch world gold and try to get him depushed because they are jealous that he will be a big star and is over with the crowd and did by himself something they couldn't do! sarcasm
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Post by W?Y on Jan 27, 2007 23:54:55 GMT -5
Vince McMahon and his ECW stupidity just put me in a bad mood. EDIT: I should have known that Punk could never survive as the wrestler we enjoy and support in the 'E. Same for Sandman and Sabu, and most of the ECW Originals, and Monty Brown. I don't know where Punk will go after ECW. I doubt he'll survive on Raw and SD, and he won't go back to TNA. I'm afraid it's only down for Punk...now.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 28, 2007 0:41:19 GMT -5
Raven didn't need it though. Everyone knew who Raven was. CM Punk was a nobody. I never even heard of the man, with the internet and all, until I heard that Raven was feuding with him. Hell, I never even heard of ROH until the Raven/Punk feud. Yeah, Punk still put on good matches, but Raven was the man who gave Punk a reputation in wrestling. How was he a nobody? Just because one person doesn't know about a wrestler doesn't make him a nobody. That seems like fallacious reasoning to me. I first heard of Punk during the Raven feud too, but I KEPT hearing stuff about him after Raven was gone. I heard about his matches with Joe, his interaction with Colt, and his run as champion. And since the feud was Raven's last great feud, Punk must have done something right. I agree with your first statement. Everyone needs some help in wrestling (just like life). As for Punk thinking he was already a big star, that really depends on context. In this case the context COULD be the indies. After all, being a big star in the indies is far different than being a big star in WWE or even TNA. For example, Chris Hero could be considered a "big star" in the indies, as would Colt Cabana. I'm certainly not questioning that Raven put Punk over--he clearly did. However, Punk did more than his fair share of work in that feud. It wasn't Raven that carried it by himself (nor was it Punk for that matter), it depended on both wrestlers. Both of them got something out of it: Punk got more over while Raven got a great feud and great matches out of it. If Raven was feuding with someone like Eric Young instead, this result wouldn't have happened. It mattered that he was working with Punk. Snow was using the most mainstream thing that Punk had been apart of to get him over. But Raven alone did not make Punk the star that he is today. That statement completely invalidates all the hard work that Punk has done as well as the OTHER wrestlers that he's worked with that helped him to get over. I could also argue that without the long matches with Samoa Joe, Punk wouldn't be where he is today. I can't prove that (just as your Raven statement can't be proven), but it was certainly one of the biggest parts of his career. The truth (as I see it) is that Punk is where he is today due to many of the matches and feuds he's had, not just one. And that's all I'm going to say regarding this issue. A lot of indy stars can be considered nobodies, simply based on the fact that they aren't very well known. And you even said it. You first heard of Punk through the Raven feud, which proves my point that Raven made him. Same like with the Eliminators and the Dudleys. Same with the Dudleys and the Hardy Boys. Yes, Punk went on to do better things using his own ability, but Raven was the first step. There was a wall in front of CM Punk, and because of Raven, he was able to break through that wall and go on to bigger and better things. Raven was the beginning, and therefore, made Punk, and Punk improved on that, and got bigger as time went on. Also, just because a few people know a wrestler, doesn't make him a somebody. Everybody in wrestling has been made by somebody, and if it wasn't for the wrestler who made that person, then that person may not be where he is today. Would Kurt Angle be where he is today without The Rock? Would The Rock be where is he today without Steve Austin? Would Steve Austin be where he is today without Bret Hart? Would Bret Hart be where he is today without Mr. Perfect? Would Mr. Perfect be where he is today without Nick Bockwinkle? Would Nick Bockwinkle be where he is today without Verne Gagne? And so on, and so on. And there are other examples that could be used. I'm not saying Punk didn't put his fair share in, because he's very talented. But if it wasn't for Raven, I feel he may not be where he is today.
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 28, 2007 1:38:55 GMT -5
ECW: Dying as the time passes.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 28, 2007 6:08:38 GMT -5
RVD is the man, and my favorite wrestler. I think it rocks that RVD is being sarcastic backstage and being awesome, like usual.
Hopefully by July RVD will be having classic matches against Jerry Lynn for the X-Division title.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 28, 2007 6:16:36 GMT -5
Part of me says, "Way to go RVD!"
But the most of me says, "Hey, you screw it up dumbass. It's your fault you're in this situation."
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Post by carter 15 on Jan 28, 2007 7:17:07 GMT -5
Honestly, people... STOP BELIEVING THIS BULLWAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vince isn't the devil, Punks push isn't dead and RVD isn't frign' Bart Simpson. Jesus.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 28, 2007 12:37:05 GMT -5
Honestly, people... STOP BELIEVING THIS BULLWAX!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vince isn't the devil, Punks push isn't dead and RVD isn't frign' Bart Simpson. Jesus. RVD says "Don't have a cow man."
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