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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 24, 2007 18:23:39 GMT -5
He who wins the war writes the history.
Anyway, Hulk Hogan was cheered for eliminating Sid Justice from the 92 Rumble...sure he was.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 24, 2007 18:24:07 GMT -5
I hate revisionist history in all its forms. The entire concept is anathema to me. But at the same time, if every single feud was remembered and everybody still held grudges over things (like the aforementioned Trips/Flair thing) then you'd eventually run out of alliances because everybody has feuded with everybody at one point. So then it would be everybody hating everybody else. EDIT: Though the complete disavowing of people's contribution to the business is pretty asinine.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 24, 2007 18:25:00 GMT -5
The disrespect shown towards Savage and Sammartino with their contributions to the company (although in Bruno's case, he's the one making waves).
One thing I don't get: why are Demolition always referred to as Road Warrior ripoffs, but nobody ever says anything about the Rockers being ripoffs of the Rock n' Roll Express?
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Jan 24, 2007 20:00:56 GMT -5
The disrespect shown towards Savage and Sammartino with their contributions to the company (although in Bruno's case, he's the one making waves). One thing I don't get: why are Demolition always referred to as Road Warrior ripoffs, but nobody ever says anything about the Rockers being ripoffs of the Rock n' Roll Express? To be fair, the Rockers were the Rockers before they came to the WWF, so its more of the AWA ripping the RnR Express off. Plus, HBK is like a god to them.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 24, 2007 20:07:35 GMT -5
I hate revisionist history in all its forms. The entire concept is anathema to me. But at the same time, if every single feud was remembered and everybody still held grudges over things (like the aforementioned Trips/Flair thing) then you'd eventually run out of alliances because everybody has feuded with everybody at one point. So then it would be everybody hating everybody else. EDIT: Though the complete disavowing of people's contribution to the business is pretty asinine. Yeah, but the least they could do would be to give SOME kind of nod to the past rivalry between two guys, and give a logical reason why they've worked something out.
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Post by JMA on Jan 24, 2007 20:11:23 GMT -5
I hate revisionist history in all its forms. The entire concept is anathema to me. But at the same time, if every single feud was remembered and everybody still held grudges over things (like the aforementioned Trips/Flair thing) then you'd eventually run out of alliances because everybody has feuded with everybody at one point. So then it would be everybody hating everybody else. I was actually talking about outside of kayfabe. But now that you mention it, kayfabe revisionist history is bad in its own right (though it's more trivial than serious). The key to avoiding the scenario you suggested is to constantly create new stars and to rarely turn wrestlers. This way you have new feud and alliance possibilities and less reason to align former enemies. Continuity is a good thing in wrestling. It makes feuds more meaningful and encourages continual watching.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 24, 2007 20:35:39 GMT -5
For me, it is mainly how WWE claims they gave everyone a fair chance, when some of them didn't have a prayer to begin with. Public Enemiy is an obvious example. All excuses aside, WWE brought them in purely to humiliate them. Same goes for Dusty Rhodes, who's brief run as a flabby guy in polka-dots has been all but forgotten on television. Erich Bischoff, as big of an SOB as the guy may be in reality, was brought onto television to be made a fool of, not to serve any real purpose creatively. Despite what WWE would have us believe, Vince really does have some of that Mr. McMahon in his personality.
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Post by soultsukino on Jan 24, 2007 20:39:31 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels performance in the 1995 royal rumble, making it sound like he pulled a Ric flair when he was out there for half the time (and in a piss poor talent pool filled rumble to boot) and the Bulldog went just as long as he did.
And a little off the topic, but i'm not to fond of the WWE's "revisionist Present" either. Reading about Linda's crap she shovels out to the investors sometimes makes me wonder why they aren't being investigated.
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Post by JMA on Jan 24, 2007 20:43:51 GMT -5
Even though I look down on people that constantly bash the IWC, we have our own revisionist history. Take JBL for instance. There are some people that won't admit to disliking him post-2001, pre heel turn. Another case is Edge. People "conveniently" forget that Edge's main event babyface run was a flop and his early heel run (before the Matt Hardy feud) was mediocre, with Shatner-esque promos from Edge (i.e. "I...was...SCREWWWWED...at...Taboo Tuesday!"). This is, of course, because people like them now, and truth-be-told, they are good in their roles. But that doesn't change the fact that they've had bad runs that should be acknowledged.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 24, 2007 21:04:49 GMT -5
- WWE's view on the Monday Night War which tends to skip over or marginalise WCW's dominance for so long.
- The treatment of Randy Savage
- The sneering attitude towards's ECW as a failed company, rather than one that influenced Vince to switch from Doink The Clown to the Attitude era.
- The double standards shown by insulting internet wrestling fans, but taking every chance to shill WWE.COM
- The overhyping of Cena and the FU.
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Post by Iron Sheik Yerbouti on Jan 24, 2007 21:21:12 GMT -5
I hate revisionist history in all its forms. The entire concept is anathema to me. But at the same time, if every single feud was remembered and everybody still held grudges over things (like the aforementioned Trips/Flair thing) then you'd eventually run out of alliances because everybody has feuded with everybody at one point. So then it would be everybody hating everybody else. EDIT: Though the complete disavowing of people's contribution to the business is pretty asinine. Eh if the announcers were worth a damn, they could at least say for instance "Triple H and Ric Flair have settled their differences and have agreed to team up" or do an angle where HHH has to earn Flair's trust... just forgetting the feud is pointless and if it was onlya year ago, its flat out insulting. Why would you pay money to see a storyline unfold if its just going to be ignored in future storylines?
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jan 24, 2007 22:23:09 GMT -5
how they bury the macho man now, just such bullshit
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Post by joeman on Jan 24, 2007 23:21:19 GMT -5
Kane being impotent yet can impregnant Lita.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 24, 2007 23:24:45 GMT -5
Also, Kane loves Lita, but Lita hates him back, then Lita loses the baby, and Kane injures Matt Hardy. Lita turns heel on Kane and sides with Edge, while he is trying to get the World title. Kane turns Emo, Edge & Lita fall in "love" and Snitsky, the guy who killed Lita's baby, is now a friend of Lita. Somehow, Hardy returns and takes Kane's place by breaking Kayfabe and admitting that the whole Kane/Lita thing was fake, and the truth was Edge f***ed Lita, who was dating Matt, leading ot the Edge/Hardy feud.
WHAT THE f***?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by Stotty on Jan 24, 2007 23:38:52 GMT -5
do you think they do it delberately? like, sitting there an sayin "well, if we say it long enough they'll eventually start to believe it"? or do they genuinely believe some of the stu they're saying. i.e. Vince's take over of AWA being a huge success.
also, i hated the abrupt end to NWO in WWF, they were there, then they were gone, no explanation, just "oh, they're not around anymore"
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 24, 2007 23:43:52 GMT -5
-The LARIAT-OOOOOOOO, which while not a big WWF known move, did once break the neck of the greatest champion in WWF history. That's Japanese reviosionist history. It was actually a botched power move (I forget which one) but they built it as if the LARIATO did it. But it didn't. But here's one I hate. -WWE never acknowledging Antonio Inoki's WWF Title win and subsequent forfeit of the belt because he didn't win the match clean. So they gave it back to Backland and pretended it never happened.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 25, 2007 0:04:05 GMT -5
For me, it is mainly how WWE claims they gave everyone a fair chance, when some of them didn't have a prayer to begin with. Public Enemiy is an obvious example. All excuses aside, WWE brought them in purely to humiliate them. Same goes for Dusty Rhodes, who's brief run as a flabby guy in polka-dots has been all but forgotten on television. Erich Bischoff, as big of an SOB as the guy may be in reality, was brought onto television to be made a fool of, not to serve any real purpose creatively. Despite what WWE would have us believe, Vince really does have some of that Mr. McMahon in his personality. Actually, there's a reason PE didn't get their fair shake, and it wasn't WWE's fault. It was there's. According to Team 3D from their shoot, Paul Heyman wanted the Public Enemy to feud with the Dudley Boys in ECW. The first night of the feud, they had Public Enemy beat up The Dudleys. Nothing too unusual. The problem though was when it was time to return the favor and the Dudleys hit PE with the 3D, they hit their feet almost immeidately and started cutting a promo. The Dudleys Boys did it again, and again, they got up. Apparently according to them, in WWE, they did the same thing. They wanted to do things their way, so Ron Simmons and JBL beat the crap out of them and made an example out of them. The Dudleys went in with Public Enemy's reputation, and got a pretty bad beating from the APA, but the Dudleys gave it back, and they earned each other's respect. Of course that gave rise to a great story from that. Brother Ray didn't know how to work a 2x4 so it wouldn't hurt someone. So Brother Ray tries to ask Ron Simmons to use something else, and Ron cuts him off and says "You do know how to work a 2x4, do you?" They say, yes Mr. Simmons we do, and Bubba then goes to D-Von, "we ain't workin crap" and they just beat the crap out of them legit with a 2x4. An interesting way to earn each other's respect though. Wrestling is a weird buisness. Also, with Eric Bischoff, a lot of the times he would get the upper hand and people would hate him more, so when Eric Bischoff is made to look like a fool, he gets great pops. Showing your ass at its finest.
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Post by Stotty on Jan 25, 2007 0:07:05 GMT -5
Vince Russo was nothing but an idiot
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 25, 2007 0:42:08 GMT -5
how they bury the macho man now, just such bullcrap I'd say more ignore than bury, but does anyone know for sure why? And don't mention That Urban Legend.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 25, 2007 0:45:25 GMT -5
It's like prison.
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