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Post by subject2 on Jan 24, 2007 19:57:26 GMT -5
Most people on these threads love the commentary duo of heenan and monsoon & claim them to be the best commentary team of all time (im one of them) but after watching a few old colliseum video early 90's PPV'S im act torn.
Monsson and ventura made EVERY match seem like it was special and important...even the rougeau bros/bushwhackers match was made exiting thrgh their commentary....
jesse was the JBL of his time..he knew move names...had favorites and even thgh he was a heel commentator who rooted for heels whenever he did it.. it sounded believeable.
I just enjoyed that duo so much i actually think it was better than the monsoon / heenan combo..monsoon and heenan were great for comedy but no team could create drama and exitiement into any match quite like jesse and monsoon.
Thoughts??
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Post by WinOwensWin on Jan 24, 2007 20:07:23 GMT -5
I lost a lot of respect for Ventura after he refused to allow the WWE to use his commentary on their DVD's without getting paid....Either way, Monsoon/Heenan are the greatest color team ever....Though Ventura did a great job with Monsoon.
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Post by Shockmaster's Son on Jan 24, 2007 20:55:54 GMT -5
Tommy, check your facts there buddy. Jesse sued then-WWF in the early 90's when he discovered he wasn't getting royalties that he was due to receive and won the case. It was then, 15 or so years ago that it was ruled WWF could not use his likeness without paying him accordingly. Sounds quite fair to me as Vince tried to pull a fast one on "The Body", the very reason I believe he left for WCW in the first place.
Oh, and the Monsoon/Heenan duo is UNTOUCHABLE.
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Post by MGH on Jan 24, 2007 20:56:36 GMT -5
Always enjoyed the Ventura commentary more.
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Post by bshadye413 on Jan 24, 2007 21:18:00 GMT -5
Jesse was great, but Heenan will never be topped...never!
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jan 24, 2007 21:23:39 GMT -5
I liked Jesse and Gorilla better. The comedy from Bobby and Gorilla was great, but I liked the serious and important tone that Gorilla and the Body used to have.
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Post by Error on Jan 24, 2007 21:25:55 GMT -5
I think Ventura was overrated. Heenan was just better.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 24, 2007 21:49:13 GMT -5
Both were incredible teams, but I had to go with Monsoon/Heenan. I guess in the end, Gorilla's threats to get Heenan kicked out the arena tipped the scales.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Jan 24, 2007 21:53:34 GMT -5
Heenan all day.
WILL YOU STOP?!
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Post by brotherernest on Jan 24, 2007 22:01:15 GMT -5
none better than Heenan and Gorilla. Usually flip through most of the matches on WWE 24/7's Prime Time Wrestling repeats just to watch those two verbally jab back and forth
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Post by Garee on Jan 24, 2007 22:05:27 GMT -5
I thought they both were great. But Heenan was just so much funnier than Ventura
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 24, 2007 22:10:13 GMT -5
Ventura and Monsoon.
Great bickering and an emphasis on in-ring action.
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Post by Jeff on Jan 24, 2007 22:14:57 GMT -5
Monsoon Heenan by far
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jan 24, 2007 22:17:04 GMT -5
i always think of mania with jesse and ventura since that is what i grew up watching much like i think of mania with jr and king now, heenan was good don't get me wrong but being that i grew up in the era of monsoon and ventura they get my vote.
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Post by Garcia Vega on Jan 24, 2007 22:28:52 GMT -5
I think Ventura was overrated. Heenan was just better. On the other hand, I think Heenan is one of the most overrated people in the wrestling business, alongside Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette. Ventura was so believable when he defended the heels that he could almost make you understand why the used the tactics that they did. He would make the faces out the be legit threats even though he was pulling for the heels. Heenan told jokes that only got himself over and verbally masturbated Ric Flair. As a manager, Heenan was tops. As an announcing duo, no one has touched Monsoon and Ventura in the booth. It may be the way I choose to remember wrestling from my childhood more fondly than any other period, but I don't see anyone ever being a better combo than Monsoon/Ventura, ever.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 24, 2007 23:44:26 GMT -5
The best example of how great Ventura and Monsoon were was at the 1989 Royal Rumble during the posedown between Warrior and Rude. Ventura was completely honest and his arguments were legit IMO. At the end when the crowd were cheering the Warrior and booing Rude, even though Rude had the better more defined physique, even Gorilla had to admit that the fans were being unfair.
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Post by Maxnificent on Jan 25, 2007 0:17:45 GMT -5
Monsoon and Heenan were the better pairing of these two choices, but I prefer McMahon/Ventura over all.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 25, 2007 0:19:11 GMT -5
Schiavone and Ventura were pretty good too at SummerSlam 90 and the 1990 Royal Rumble.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 25, 2007 0:47:47 GMT -5
I think Ventura was overrated. Heenan was just better. On the other hand, I think Heenan is one of the most overrated people in the wrestling business, alongside Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette. Ventura was so believable when he defended the heels that he could almost make you understand why the used the tactics that they did. He would make the faces out the be legit threats even though he was pulling for the heels. Heenan told jokes that only got himself over and verbally masturbated Ric Flair. I completely agree - I didn't think there were many others who didn't get Heenan on commentary at all. Listening to him was like going to open mike night at a crappy comedy club, tired shtick, over and over again. He was occasionally funny, but he didn't add anything at all the matches himself.
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Post by The OP on Jan 25, 2007 0:53:06 GMT -5
Heenan was best as a manager. He was good at color commentary, but not as good as Ventura. The Gorilla/Heenan duo always had a vibe to it that it was more for kids, which isn't totally a bad thing, but I preferred the more serious nature of Gorilla/Jesse, where they would actually get into the heated arguments and Gorilla couldn't just threaten Jesse and shut him up like he could Heenan.
The main reason the Gorilla/Ventura team was better is that they made the matches seem more important than the Gorilla/Heenan team.
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