PrimeTyme
Dennis Stamp
Be Good. Or Be Good At It
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Post by PrimeTyme on Jan 20, 2007 4:10:56 GMT -5
In honor of those who have left us, i made this collage (ages ago) And this post inspired me to make this tonight
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Post by Austin's Middle Finger on Jan 20, 2007 6:07:11 GMT -5
I think a lot of the wrestlers we grew up with through the 80's and 90's were using various "substances" that are now catching up to them, and as a result, they're not living so long anymore. Its a real bytch too because these were the guys that were built like superheroes, and we looked at them as such. Now that their lifestyles have caught up to them, we're learning just how mortal these men really are. Its sad, really. Very well put. I wasn't watching wrestling when Eddie won the championship, so his death didn't affect me all that much. But when it's someone like Bam Bam, who I've followed since I first started watching in 94', through to his WCW days, it's hard to take.
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Post by therealmamamiller on Jan 20, 2007 10:03:58 GMT -5
Shocked nah never saddened always. These guys live rough lives and they don't help themselves with some of the crap that goes in their bodies. some of the deaths ou can almost predict others do come as a shock upon first hearing them but when you sit and think about it you're not really surprised. I'll tell you one death that bears looking into and that's Curt Hennig's. From everything I've ever heard he may have been a drinker, he may have taken pain killers but never ever did I hear his name in the same sentence as cocaine until his death. I'm not one of those conspiracy theory nuts but I'll always maintain there was something wrong with that death.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 20, 2007 10:07:27 GMT -5
So many wrestlers die young, there's no way you could be 'shocked' by it anymore.
If you woke up tomorrow and saw that Scott Hall or Jake Roberts were dead, is that truly 'shocking'?
Doesn't make it any less sad for me, considering these guys remind me so much of growing up as a wrestling fan.
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kunswwfmark
Hank Scorpio
Nobody beats Mr. Perfect. Nobody!
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Post by kunswwfmark on Jan 20, 2007 11:56:58 GMT -5
In honor of those who have left us, i made this collage (ages ago) And this post inspired me to make this tonight I still can't believe the Bulldog and Big Boss Man are gone. I keep waiting for them to make a surprise return or something.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 20, 2007 12:23:21 GMT -5
That picture of Pillman never fails to break me to pieces.
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"Hollywood" Cactus Matt
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
You couldn't ask for a better custom title!
How do you spell "Goddess"? C-H-R-I-S-T-Y!
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 20, 2007 12:29:14 GMT -5
That picture of Pillman never fails to break me to pieces. Me too, Kar. He just looks so heartbroken.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 20, 2007 12:32:08 GMT -5
I want to say it's amazing acting, but he looks so f-ing lost.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 20, 2007 12:33:10 GMT -5
Wow, those collages are good, but it's a pity that we've lost so many greats. Bossman's hit me especially hard, because he lived in and was buried in my hometown.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 20, 2007 12:36:02 GMT -5
I know I will get a lot of heat for saying this but putting Eddie Guerrero in the same boat with Owen Hart is a disgrace to Hart's name since he didn't die because of a well known history of drug abuse, and instead died from a freak accident to please the fans. I pretty much agree. Not that Eddie's life was less valuable, but he made bad choices and suffered the unfortunate consequences of those choices. Owen should still be alive and it is seriously f***ed up that someone with his talent will mostly be remembered for the fall. He lived his life for his family and it is a shame that he couldn't reap the benefits of all that he worked for. How is Eddie different? The drugs he was hooked on were painkillers and the other end was steroids. Sure they were choices he made, but he made them for the same reason Owen did that stunt - for the business. I'm not knocking anyone. With few exceptions, the ones we've lost have been because of the lack of regulation in wrestling. Be it accident or drug abuse or whatever.
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kunswwfmark
Hank Scorpio
Nobody beats Mr. Perfect. Nobody!
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Post by kunswwfmark on Jan 20, 2007 13:37:08 GMT -5
I pretty much agree. Not that Eddie's life was less valuable, but he made bad choices and suffered the unfortunate consequences of those choices. Owen should still be alive and it is seriously f***ed up that someone with his talent will mostly be remembered for the fall. He lived his life for his family and it is a shame that he couldn't reap the benefits of all that he worked for. How is Eddie different? The drugs he was hooked on were painkillers and the other end was steroids. Sure they were choices he made, but he made them for the same reason Owen did that stunt - for the business. I'm not knocking anyone. With few exceptions, the ones we've lost have been because of the lack of regulation in wrestling. Be it accident or drug abuse or whatever. Eddie was also an alcoholic. He made a lot of destructive decisions in his life, and lived to tell about them until that hard lifestyle caught up with him. Owen made one bad decision and died in front of 20,000 people. At the time, he was essentially stuck between a rock and a hard place when he was asked to do his stunt, because he had turned down a number of character ideas before then. He didn't do it for the business as much as he did it to avoid angering management. Those are the differences I see, anyway.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 20, 2007 13:42:04 GMT -5
I didn't mean to better the business, just to continue within it.
And Eddie had lotsa problems. Some were personal, some were wrestling-related. I still don't think that's any reason to just fluff it off. (Not that you were, but that's always in the argument.) Like a lot of guys who've passed, a good chunk of problems can be attributed to the nature of the business as it stands today.
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Garcia Vega
Bubba Ho-Tep
"Please don't get angry ladies, I only call ya b****es cause I don't know your names individually."
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Post by Garcia Vega on Jan 20, 2007 14:19:03 GMT -5
I pretty much agree. Not that Eddie's life was less valuable, but he made bad choices and suffered the unfortunate consequences of those choices. Owen should still be alive and it is seriously f***ed up that someone with his talent will mostly be remembered for the fall. He lived his life for his family and it is a shame that he couldn't reap the benefits of all that he worked for. How is Eddie different? The drugs he was hooked on were painkillers and the other end was steroids. Sure they were choices he made, but he made them for the same reason Owen did that stunt - for the business. I'm not knocking anyone. With few exceptions, the ones we've lost have been because of the lack of regulation in wrestling. Be it accident or drug abuse or whatever. I'm not condemning him. Eddie was far too young to go, and as I said, his life was no less valuable. But a grown man in Eddie Guerrero made the choices to put those substances in his body over the years and that cost him his life. He was a smart man, he knew the consequences. Owen probably didn't realize he was going to die as a consequence of trying to earn a paycheck for his family. If you can't see the difference between dying because of doing steroids, alcohol, drugs, painkillers, etc or falling to your death doing a stunt you didn't really want to do, but did for the benefit of your family and your job, then that is your problem. Added: I realize it kind of sounds like I'm "choosing sides," but that is so far from the truth. Eddie is/was just as respected for his talent, loved, respected for his contributions, missed, etc, by myself and by others. The pain his children feel is just as real as the Hart family's and I'm taking nothing away from the tragedy that was his death. But sometimes the truth hurts. Eddie, like many others in the wrestling business, is dead because of his own actions. Owen is dead because of his love for the business and willingness to do whatever it took to entertain the fans. Not that Eddie didn't do the same, but partaking in drugs isn't the wrestling businesses fault. It's Eddie Guerrero's.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 20, 2007 14:25:00 GMT -5
R.I.P. An exciting guy to watch, a good wrestler all around and a Jersey boy that made good.
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Nr1Humanoid
Hank Scorpio
Is the #3 humanoid at best.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 20, 2007 14:25:40 GMT -5
Damn, this post made me cry. I just bawled like a baby in front of my sister.
Oh, well.
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mat7h3w
Trap-Jaw
Toothless Agression
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Post by mat7h3w on Jan 20, 2007 14:46:25 GMT -5
This is a sad subject, but it's part of life. I grew up in the 80's and it is very depressing. I see so many greats that entertained me as a child, almost dropping like flies anymore. Sure, some are by accidents, others by old age, and others still from substance abuse, but its still the passing of yet another legend.
Each time I look at wwe.com these days I keep almost doing so in fear of seeing someone like Piper or Flair or Hogan passing. Those events will be something that I Think will be long remembered in the world of wrestling. As a fan that grew up in the 80s, I can honestly admit with no disrespect, that those deaths will hit me 10 times harder than Eddie or Owen passing did.
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Post by chrismacx on Jan 20, 2007 17:29:33 GMT -5
Lets hope todays younger stars learn from the bad choices made by past stars.
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Nekron has risen aka Gamera...
Don Corleone
Yep, The Black Lantern Corps have the Superman of Earth-2 as a member...... We're f*****d!!!!
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Post by Nekron has risen aka Gamera... on Jan 20, 2007 17:41:36 GMT -5
qft......rip bam bam
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Post by skskillz on Jan 20, 2007 17:45:11 GMT -5
Lets hope todays younger stars learn from the bad choices made by past stars. Wrestling hasn't really changed much though. Wrestlers are still working 300 days a year, and are probably still doing painkillers and stuff of that sort (wellness my ass). I don't see much changing, unfortunately. Guys like The Rock are the smart ones. Leave early and don't look back. Unfortunately, most wrestlers don't have that choice.
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