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Post by bigHEADinc on Feb 20, 2007 12:42:47 GMT -5
You hit the nail right on the head right there Hollywood... It's all about the fans...
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Feb 20, 2007 13:17:50 GMT -5
None of those comparisons make sense I don't see the sense in making any since the only real one you could make is Joe and Taz and even then it's a loose comparison. ECW revolutionized pro wrestling. ROH hasn't done so. Will they? Who knows. ECW was the American FMW. I love ECW like crazy, but they're not as revolutionary as people think they are. I don't think Vince knew what FMW was. The Attitude Era saw Vince/Russo/co. take a ton of Heyman's ideas and whatnot. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 20, 2007 16:51:50 GMT -5
And from that, a question arises. Were RoH to have a national TV show, would it hurt them the same way that ECW on TNN hurt the original ECW? It depends. On the one hand, if you go with a big time network (basically anything other than local cable outlets)/station, there's a huge possibility of having your creativity handcuffed by the suits in charge. That's a big factor in what happened to Heyman. On the other hand, go with a smaller-range broadcast, and you don't reach as many homes or get as much advertising revenue. ROH actually had a small-time TV show back in 2002, but it didn't last long. Frankly, neither would likely work for ROH right now. It's just not worked into their business plan. However, ROH could work as episodic TV, especially since they've begun having longer, stronger, and more involved storylines and feuds. That's just not what it's built for at the moment, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2007 16:56:13 GMT -5
You have to take under consideration that Gabe worked for ECW and knows why the company went bankrupt and he is not about to let ROH follow suit. Him and Cary Silken are smart business men and are using the online sales and show gates to draw large sums. Gabe and Cary arent about to throw ROH to the wolves on a poorly syndicated station and let it struggle with mediocrity.
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Post by JMA on Feb 20, 2007 19:31:53 GMT -5
Personally, I think that ROH should run one two hour show every other month on On Demand. Some promotions (ones that are smaller than ROH) do that now.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Feb 21, 2007 4:45:45 GMT -5
ECW was the American FMW. I love ECW like crazy, but they're not as revolutionary as people think they are. I don't think Vince knew what FMW was. The Attitude Era saw Vince/Russo/co. take a ton of Heyman's ideas and whatnot. Vince maybe didn't know what FMW was, but that's not my point. Like I've said, before, ECW was a great promotion, but I don't think it was as innovative as people think it was, mainly because it was an American version of FMW. It's sorta like saying "Quentin Tarantino is innovative" when he's pretty much just "homage-ing" 70s exploitation cinema. |
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Post by algertman on Feb 21, 2007 10:34:05 GMT -5
I hope not, would hate for wrestlers to never get paid the money that they are owed
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Post by algertman on Feb 21, 2007 10:38:54 GMT -5
Don't inflate Gabe's ego more. Too late. He's already made a statement that ROH is more ECWish than WWECW. Yeah, it was pretty tacky. WCW "The Mother Ship" was more ECW than WWECW is |
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Post by antimcmahon on Feb 21, 2007 14:23:19 GMT -5
None of those comparisons make sense I don't see the sense in making any since the only real one you could make is Joe and Taz and even then it's a loose comparison. ECW revolutionized pro wrestling. ROH hasn't done so. Will they? Who knows. ECW was the American FMW. I love ECW like crazy, but they're not as revolutionary as people think they are. I think the point he was getting at... is that ECW gave 90's American fans what they were deprived of for years. Kick a** exciting wrestling. Although it might not have been the most technically sound wrestling it was a hell of a lot better than what WCW and WWE were putting out at the time. FMW wasn't a US company therefore they werent really revolutionizing anything just promoting exciting wrestling like many other foreign companies were. I see ROH as the new ECW. Because it's a place where fans who want to see exciting wrestling can fall back on. The comparison isn't being made between the styles of wrestling. But what the company does for the business as whole. In the 90's if you wanted to watch people like Lance Storm/Jerry Lynn wrestle for longer than 2 minutes, and put on an exciting match regardless of table and chair usage, you'd watch ECW. In the 2000's if you want to watch guys like Spanky/London(who normally get a watered down style 10 minutes at the most matches) wrestle a 30-60 minute exciting classic you'd watch ROH. Basically the best analogy to use is.... Nirvana gets most of the credit for beginning the grunge era. However factually there were tons of grunge bands before them that they were influenced by. However because Nirvana was the first to make it mainstream their considered revolutionary. It's the same for ECW, nobody at the time had seen wrestling potrayed that way even though it was being done all over the world. So ECW is considered revolutionary. In fact being the casual fan that I was at that time if you had asked me what FMW was I would have had no clue. Yet if you asked what ECW was I would have known exactly even though they were basically indies. That's what made them unique. As far as ROH goes. Until I found ROH i was constantly left beating myself over the head because Id be so disapointed time and time again by a watered down WWE matches that could have been better if their were no restraints. Until I found ROH I thought I had no choice but to accept these matches as the best I was gonna get. Now I dont have to worry any more because if WWE holds someone back theirs always a chance that they'll one day leave come to ROH and I'll get to see how good truly are. Basically after ranting and raving the point I'm trying to make is ROH/ECW are the two most known promotions in the states for their time, that catered to wrestling fans and in ring action more than outlandish gimmicks and far fetched story lines. In era's where we given Who/ the Goon or Donald Trump vs Rosey Odonell, I considered these two promotions to be quite revolutionary. |
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Post by bigHEADinc on Feb 21, 2007 15:03:46 GMT -5
Wow, finally somebody truly understood what I was getting at... Thank you sir... You put it all so eloquently...
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Post by hollywood on Feb 21, 2007 15:15:47 GMT -5
Wow, finally somebody truly understood what I was getting at... Thank you sir... You put it all so eloquently... Hey! You said I put it perfectly!? I feel so used! |
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Post by bigHEADinc on Feb 21, 2007 15:24:53 GMT -5
Wow, finally somebody truly understood what I was getting at... Thank you sir... You put it all so eloquently... Hey! You said I put it perfectly!? I feel so used! Listen kid, you need to hear this... You're yesterday's news... Used, washed up... You're done in this town, ya hear me?!.. That, and yes, you both got it right, but he took 5 paragraphs to do it... |
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Post by hollywood on Feb 21, 2007 15:29:04 GMT -5
Hey! You said I put it perfectly!? I feel so used! Listen kid, you need to hear this... You're yesterday's news... Used, washed up... You're done in this town, ya hear me?!.. That, and yes, you both got it right, but he took 5 paragraphs to do it... Oh yea? Well, my paragraphs were shorter! Anyway, I think we're all in agreement that, while ROH is very different from the original ECW, it's come to represent the good things about pro wrestling that ECW did. (I'll save the debate on whether ROH or ECW ever deserved that notion for another thread.  ) |
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Post by bigHEADinc on Feb 21, 2007 17:15:03 GMT -5
Screw it, discuss it in this thread... Do you think either fed deserves the "This is Wrestling" title?
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Post by antimcmahon on Feb 21, 2007 19:37:02 GMT -5
Wow, finally somebody truly understood what I was getting at... Thank you sir... You put it all so eloquently... Thanks, I just had to help you out on that one. Because I posted the same statement on this board 2 years ago and I got shot down like I was the next coming of Hitler. It was because they didn't know what I meant by it. Now that watch ROH even more. As time goes on I wonder why no one could see it that way. So I'm happy to see I'm not the only one. However I do feel bad for Hollywood. I was in no way trying to steal his spot ;D |
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Post by JMA on Feb 21, 2007 20:39:23 GMT -5
One big difference between ECW and ROH is the "hide the negatives" philosophy. ECW had some average and outright bad wrestlers, but Heyman hid their negatives so well that they got over. In ROH, the vast majority of the wrestlers are good--some are even great. Thus, ROH doesn't need to hide much negatives, in-ring wise.
That being said, there are of course negatives to hiring primarily good wrestlers. Sometimes it's useful for a promotion to push a wrestler who isn't good in the ring.
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