MoleMan
Team Rocket
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Post by MoleMan on Feb 8, 2007 23:14:05 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fYnPVUCKrAThis is proof of how stupid WCW was. They blew what coulda been the biggest match ever and wasted it. No build, nothing. Oh and sorry bout it being in french.
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Post by Person With A Hat on Feb 8, 2007 23:47:23 GMT -5
If it's in french, it's Marc Blondin (face), Michel Letourneau (Heel, and I may be wrong about his first name) and "Thor" (Goldberg mark) doing commentary. "Thor" may not be there.
One of these guys is now announcing for the french tapings of TNA along with Pierre-Carl Ouellet (Otherwise known as Jean-Pierre Lafitte, Quebecer #2, and an extremely bad rapper).
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 8, 2007 23:49:17 GMT -5
Wow Hogan showed some good wrestling in this. I forgot that this ever happened on Nitro. Now stupid was WCW to have this match on free TV and no build. This would been a huge money maker and WCW dropped the ball.
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Post by K7 - WC's Crowd Extra on Feb 8, 2007 23:59:03 GMT -5
Give Bret about 3 minutes with Hogan and he looks more technically sound than ever before.
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MoleMan
Team Rocket
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Post by MoleMan on Feb 9, 2007 0:18:02 GMT -5
Give Bret about 3 minutes with Hogan and he looks more technically sound than ever before. Well Hogan's actually a pretty good technical wrestler. in Japan he had good matches, but for some reason he believes American fans like punching, kicking, and flexing. |
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Feb 9, 2007 2:09:35 GMT -5
Give Bret about 3 minutes with Hogan and he looks more technically sound than ever before. Well Hogan's actually a pretty good technical wrestler. in Japan he had good matches, but for some reason he believes American fans like punching, kicking, and flexing. That's basically true. The "Hulk Hogan" character was never about being a technical wrestler, so I wouldn't say it's too far-fetched to say Hogan actually knew his way aroudn the ring, but that was never what his character was about. Same thing about The Giant/Paul Wight, in WCW he was an amazing specimen, in that he was huge, but he was agile and was very well-versed in actual wrestling. There were numerous reports of him doing moonsaults during training, as well as him being capable of doing planchas.  |
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by STMP on Feb 9, 2007 8:15:56 GMT -5
Give Bret about 3 minutes with Hogan and he looks more technically sound than ever before. Well Hogan's actually a pretty good technical wrestler. in Japan he had good matches, but for some reason he believes American fans like punching, kicking, and flexing. He's not pretty good. He is adequate. He looks like someone who just debuted and still has trouble with some basic holds. Which is surprising since he is a real ring veteran, worked all over the world and was trained by Hiro Matsuda. But his work in Japan is indeed lightyears ahead of what he does in the US. |
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Post by KingPopper on Feb 9, 2007 8:24:52 GMT -5
One thing I always hated about WCW is they would throw ppv matches away on free tv, then their ppvs, outside of Starrcade 97 were unhyped, under promoted and you didnt even know half the matches on the card. Since they would give away ppv matches on free tv, why the hell would you want to send money on a mainevent, that you can see on nitro for free.
Goldberg vs. Hogan
Hart vs. Hogan
I could go one forever. People wanted to PAY to see these matches.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Feb 9, 2007 8:45:01 GMT -5
One thing I always hated about WCW is they would throw ppv matches away on free tv, then their ppvs, outside of Starrcade 97 were unhyped, under promoted and you didnt even know half the matches on the card. Since they would give away ppv matches on free tv, why the hell would you want to send money on a mainevent, that you can see on nitro for free. Goldberg vs. Hogan Hart vs. Hogan I could go one forever. People wanted to PAY to see these matches. Well, you're looking at it from a booker/business stand point. Back then, we didn't get those matches on free TV ever. It was a special treat to get you to go "ohhhhh!! i can't miss next week, what if someone wrestles a big match". Plus, how can anyone say that as a fan you didn't like getting PPV matches for free? |
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Post by KingPopper on Feb 9, 2007 9:06:39 GMT -5
Maybe in 95, but WCW did this till it's end in 01. Nothing about Nitro's mainevents had a special feel to them after a while, if all the maineventers fight each other each week, whats there to get excited for?
Plus, The Michael Buffer intros were longer then the matches and they always ended in a no contest. After a while, I just stopped watching, how many damn times can I hear Tony Schiavone say "THIS IS THE BIGGEST NIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT!" I would rather watch a show, that leaves me wanting more. Not a show that makes me say... That was it?
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 9, 2007 9:24:51 GMT -5
Give Bret about 3 minutes with Hogan and he looks more technically sound than ever before. Not really, he knew those moves before he faced Bret. He can go if he wants to, just that why should Hogan do all that when his regular formula works just fine for him? Smarks may dislike it, but it's made him millions, hell I wish I could do very little and get paid for it. I do agree about the matches being put on TV, but you had to back then, there was a Monday Night War going on, so both sides were doing all they could to get viewers to tune in. WWE put on matches such as Rock/Mankind, Austin/Taker, Rock/Taker, Austin/Kane, all of which have been main events for PPV's at one point or another and were on Raw. |
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 9, 2007 9:35:16 GMT -5
Hell, Raw gives away ppv matches for free as well, same thing. As far as Hogan's abilities-yes he can wrestle but I think the reason he doesn't is a combination of things: 1. How many times have you seen a wrestler come to the WWF and seen their abilities watered down just a bit? and 2. Wrestlers in the 80's had a hellacious schedule and noone had a more hectic schedule than Hogan himself-He was the One. He wrestled, did charities, interviews etc. more than anyone else and sometimes wrestled 2 different cites in 2 different states each night, he doesn't have time to put on a 30 minute clinic
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Post by royboy8 on Feb 9, 2007 10:41:47 GMT -5
Bret Hart= Master of the Chinlock
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 9, 2007 12:02:01 GMT -5
Well the point is. When there to major stars going at it who never once wrestled each other and being a dream match but a lot of fans. It should been on PPV with a build.
All the WWE free PPV match had that. They were not at random. Fans who watch knows. When Taker and Austin wrestled. They were feuding for months. Same with Rock and Mankind.
Hogan and Hart was ok tonight they wrestle for no reason but to have Hart turn on Sting.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 9, 2007 12:11:54 GMT -5
Well the point is. When there to major stars going at it who never once wrestled each other and being a dream match but a lot of fans. It should been on PPV with a build. All the WWE free PPV match had that. They were not at random. Fans who watch knows. When Taker and Austin wrestled. They were feuding for months. Same with Rock and Mankind. Hogan and Hart was ok tonight they wrestle for no reason but to have Hart turn on Sting. Actually, Hogan and Hart did have a build to their TV matchup. They had a tag team match about 3 weeks earlier, where they had dissension amongst themselves against Sting and Luger. Then during the Sting/Goldberg match, Hart comes to the ring with a chair to run Hogan off. Hogan challenged Sting or Hart, Hart jumped at the chance and said how Hogan ducked him in WWF, so there was a ready made feud right there if they decided not to turn Hart on Sting. It doesn't have to be months and months of buildup, a few weeks will suffice. Still both sides were doing it, so it's not that big of a deal, considering what was going on during the Monday Night Wars, it was necessary. |
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Post by valiens on Feb 9, 2007 12:17:27 GMT -5
Wow this is great! I wasn't a huge WCW fan so I never saw this. In fact I thought they never wrestled each other.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Feb 9, 2007 13:01:16 GMT -5
Bret Hart= Master of the Chinlock LOL This sounds interesting... I'll have to check this match out, as I've always wondered what a Hart vs Hogan encounter would've been like. It seemed like Hogan was always trying to dodge a match with Hart. |
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Post by babyfootball on Feb 9, 2007 13:59:05 GMT -5
wait... maybe i'm missing something, but how did sting wind up taking bret's place mid-match? i mean, as a legal combatant in the match... i know this was wcw and all, and i'm sure it's been done before, but that doesn't make a lick of sense.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 9, 2007 14:27:37 GMT -5
wait... maybe i'm missing something, but how did sting wind up taking bret's place mid-match? i mean, as a legal combatant in the match... i know this was wcw and all, and i'm sure it's been done before, but that doesn't make a lick of sense. Earlier in the night, Hogan challenged either Bret or Sting to a match, and assumably since Bret couldn't go anymore, Sting took his place. Things like that have happened many times in wrestling. |
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Post by gabou142 on Feb 9, 2007 15:35:34 GMT -5
If it's in french, it's Marc Blondin (face), Michel Letourneau (Heel, and I may be wrong about his first name) and "Thor" (Goldberg mark) doing commentary. "Thor" may not be there. One of these guys is now announcing for the french tapings of TNA along with Pierre-Carl Ouellet (Otherwise known as Jean-Pierre Lafitte, Quebecer #2, and an extremely bad rapper). Thor was there, and it was Michel Letourneur...damn, I know I suck, but I miss "Les soirées américaine" at RDS!!  |
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