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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Feb 2, 2007 15:07:45 GMT -5
First of all, I pulled up Lance's commentary on his site, and strangely the title was changed from "RUSSODIMY" to "RussoRiffic". Perhaps the first title was a little extreme. ;D
Anyway as always, I totally agree with Lance. I haven't been able to watch TNA in months, and it all started a few months ago. It got to the point where the show just had so much talking on it, and not enough wrestling. And the wrestling it did have usually involved some screwy finish.
And I am not one of the people who was complaining about TNA before. 2 years ago before TNA got all "sports entertainment" like, it is true that some people used to complain that the wrestlers had no characters or personality. I actually liked it though, because to me, their personality came through in their matches. I became a big fan of Chris Sabin, even before when he hardly spoke a word. His match with Samoa Joe from 2005 was amazing i thought. I always liked TNA because it DIDNT have all the sports entertainment qualities of a WWE or a WCW. It focused on WRESTLING which is what made it different. Nowadays, it is basically a WWE wannabe. And the fact that it is Vince Russo at the books is why people are comparing it to WCW.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 2, 2007 15:09:22 GMT -5
Lance makes some good points, but does he have just a whole buncha free time or what?
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Feb 2, 2007 15:11:47 GMT -5
Lance makes some good points, but does he have just a whole buncha free time or what? Eh, I don't think he has any more free time than any of us. ;D |
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Post by KEJB on Feb 2, 2007 15:13:16 GMT -5
Bound For Glory 2006. I was so hyped and excited for TNA. That show was awesome. The Joe / Angle fued was beginning, LAX were becoming mega-heels, and Sabin defeated Senshi in a fantastic match, to me, signaling he re-birth of the X-Division.
I have to admit that is all out the window now. No longer do I feel Impact is a must watch show. In fact, last night was the first time I watched Impact in a while. I havnt missed anything.
One slight against Lance though. There is even less wrestling on RAW, and even more childish skits, and gimmiks. t seems though that Lance knows they are the biggest show in town, and dosnt want to burn any bridges, so he lets them slide. That ruins some of his credibility to me. Now what he says about TNA is true, but it loses much of its weight, when he pretends its not happening at the hightest level.
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Post by Efren on Feb 2, 2007 15:16:27 GMT -5
But isnt Savin's character that he is a dork? he is not a cocky bad ass, he is a cocky dork or at least thats how ive always pictured him with his alien designs on his trousers and all. makes sence for a dorky jerk to pull that off. Personally I marked for West and Tenay yelling "Depends"
Don: "DEPENDS!"
Mike:"Depends?"
Don"DEEEPEEENDDDDSSS!!!"
Last nigths show sucked no question about that but I think Lance is puting way to much logic into things, Sting since he became the Crow knockoff has a tendency to apear out of the blue, so this time he disapeard... big deal this are not the kayfabe days, its sports entretainment and we all know its fiction, Batman disapears like that in fiction and he is not meant to have magical powers either.
Team 3D wont press charges because thats not the way wrestlers handle their afairs. Asaults on closed people around an oponent or to wrestlers witought a pacted match are the bread and butter of wrestling, it has happened a million times before on all the mayor promotions with all sorts of diferent bookers, Mitchell even brougth the posibility of pressing charges into play with Sting's videoed atack on him but he rather have that settled in the ring, so must T3D.. Only Devon was there because it was Ray's uncle they atacked and we are to asume Ray is tending to that, they will get them when they are both together and LAX is on the premises....
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Post by Ace Diamond on Feb 2, 2007 15:17:30 GMT -5
One slight against Lance though. There is even less wrestling on RAW, and even more childish skits, and gimmiks. t seems though that Lance knows they are the biggest show in town, and dosnt want to burn any bridges, so he lets them slide. That ruins some of his credibility to me. Now what he says about TNA is true, but it loses much of its weight, when he pretends its not happening at the hightest level. That's because the other two shows have plenty of wrestling in them, and ECW actually has a pretty decent balance of wrestling to talking most of the time. SmackDown is almost all wrestling, hell there were 8 matches and very little in the way of longwinded promos last week. Just because RAW doesn't do this it doesn't mean that Lance's arguement flies out the window |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 2, 2007 15:17:34 GMT -5
Touche, but MOST of us aren't in the biz.
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Post by KEJB on Feb 2, 2007 15:20:56 GMT -5
One slight against Lance though. There is even less wrestling on RAW, and even more childish skits, and gimmiks. t seems though that Lance knows they are the biggest show in town, and dosnt want to burn any bridges, so he lets them slide. That ruins some of his credibility to me. Now what he says about TNA is true, but it loses much of its weight, when he pretends its not happening at the hightest level. That's because the other two shows have plenty of wrestling in them, and ECW actually has a pretty decent balance of wrestling to talking most of the time. SmackDown is almost all wrestling, hell there were 8 matches and very little in the way of longwinded promos last week. Just because RAW doesn't do this it doesn't mean that Lance's arguement flies out the window I have no argument with what you said. I didnt say all of WWE shows are as bad as TNA. Just RAW. Smackdown is the only wrestling show, that I try to make time to watch before I go out Friday nights. ECW is rough, but I think that just the talent in the ring. They are at least in the ring, so that works for me. I just dont like how he referenced one match from RAW, like it should be the standard, when RAW has a match like that once every 4 months. BTW, Lance Storm is one of my favorite wrestlers of all times, and I love his commentary. I just think he dosnt go as hard at wwe, for political reasons. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on Feb 2, 2007 15:27:32 GMT -5
Well, he only cited one match, not a bunch. he didn't say the whole show was good, just that match, pointing out that it's better than what passes for a "main event" on an episode of iMPACT. So yeah i think he was just giving an example.
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Post by EZ: Broken Bae on Feb 2, 2007 15:32:43 GMT -5
Touche, but MOST of us aren't in the biz. Apart from training wrestlers (which I'm not sure is evena full-time commitment), neither is he. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 2, 2007 15:33:12 GMT -5
Meh, I'll just retract my statement.
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Post by Candyman's surprise on Feb 2, 2007 15:47:43 GMT -5
I really thought it was bad and I thought I was the only one. Thank god for this forum
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Post by cenas4dahkids on Feb 2, 2007 16:11:54 GMT -5
Russo is not the reason why wcw died...
Gawsh people....
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Feb 2, 2007 16:15:29 GMT -5
Russo is not the reason why wcw died... Gawsh people.... Russo was to WCW what smoking was to my grandmother: maybe not the one thing that caused death, but definitely a large contributing factor. |
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Post by cenas4dahkids on Feb 2, 2007 16:19:03 GMT -5
Russo is not the reason why wcw died... Gawsh people.... Russo was to WCW what smoking was to my grandmother: maybe not the one thing that caused death, but definitely a large contributing factor. No Russo was to wcw what smoking was to sadam. He smoked a lot, but he freaking got hung... |
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Feb 2, 2007 16:56:54 GMT -5
LANCE IS TOTALLY WRONG!!!! iMPACT had 14 minutes of wrestling, not 10. (Yeah, I kept track, look at my sig) Other than that Lance is spot on. Why isn't he booking TNA? Cuz if I were Dixie Carter I'd fire Russo this second and offer Lance whatever amount of money he wants to book TNA.
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Post by Mr. Derp on Feb 2, 2007 17:00:38 GMT -5
Russo is not the reason why wcw died... Gawsh people.... I dont think anyone said he is why wcw died, they just said that he sucks. |
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Post by cenas4dahkids on Feb 2, 2007 17:08:21 GMT -5
LANCE IS TOTALLY WRONG!!!! iMPACT had 14 minutes of wrestling, not 10. (Yeah, I kept track, look at my sig) Other than that Lance is spot on. Why isn't he booking TNA? Cuz if I were Dixie Carter I'd fire Russo this second and offer Lance whatever amount of money he wants to book TNA. tna would be getting 0.1 ratings too.. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 2, 2007 17:08:42 GMT -5
iMPACT to me is the opposite of Smackdown, but the same kind of deal. Smackdown went from just being there one week to being must watch wrestling television soon after. They suddenly exploded in quality when Hayes was added to the team. Now iMPACT went the opposite direction. The stuff with Russo started out good. But slowly stuff started getting worse and worse. Then you end up with that show last night. iMPACT went from awesome fun wrestling TV to a snooze fest. Sadly, I agree. Russo's initial shows were great, and Genesis and Turning Point were pretty strong shows, by and large (with a couple glaring flaws), but ever since Final Resolutions, its like everything's just been shot to hell. It's like Russo steered the ship to a certain point, righted it after a storm or something, and then decided to just lose it out at sea at the first opportunity. Now, more than ever, I'm behind the idea of TNA doing everything they can to net Paul Heyman. I mean, God, NOBODY'S worked out as booker for them in the long run: Russo starts out strong and then just loses it, Jarrett isn't reliable, nor is Dutch Mantell, D'Amore is far, far too streaky (we're talking going from "GREATEST SHOW EVER!" to "UTTER @#$%!" and back and forth again), yadda yadda yadda. Just either give Cornette or Heyman (if you can get him) the book, one or the other, and be done with it. |
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Post by hollywood on Feb 2, 2007 18:29:25 GMT -5
Once again, Storm is spot on. I swear the man's mind is in some kind of synch with mine somties.
TNA falls into the same area ECW does for me now. I get so frustrated watching, because I know I could actually book a better show. Now, don't think I'm being arrogant. I'm not saying I could book a stellar show that people would talk about for years. In fact, I'm sure my show would be mediocre, at best. But it wouldn't be crap.
TNA, expecially with Russo at the helm, excels at doing stupid things that you should just NEVER do. And they almost do it on a weekly basis.
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