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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Feb 1, 2007 16:03:58 GMT -5
If some of these names were not allowed to wrestle outside of TNA, all we would see from them is three minute Crash TV style matches. Wouldn't that be hurtful to the men involved?
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 1, 2007 16:07:30 GMT -5
They said this last year. It didn't happen.
EDIT: Also, there's no proof that TNA pulled Joe for the express purpose of "We want you fully committed to TNA."
By the sound of it, Joe leaving ROH was due to a combination of factors.
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Post by Michael Coello on Feb 1, 2007 16:07:32 GMT -5
If some of these names were not allowed to wrestle outside of TNA, all we would see from them is three minute Crash TV style matches. Wouldn't that be hurtful to the men involved? Depends. If TNA does get more time, it will probably mean longer matches due to filling in the rest of the time with something, and it can't be used for storylines, since they're ok on time there. Also, if they do pull people like Homicide and Aries and Daniels out of the indies & ROH, especially out of ROH, god help us all. |
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Post by MGH on Feb 1, 2007 16:08:22 GMT -5
They said this last year. It didn't happen. Yes but ... they hadn't already pulled Joe then either  |
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Post by Jeff on Feb 1, 2007 16:09:05 GMT -5
This is obvious, and is not really news at all. you dont see WWE guys on indy shows...
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Post by Michael Coello on Feb 1, 2007 16:10:25 GMT -5
This is obvious, and is not really news at all. you dont see WWE guys on indy shows... Yep, unless they're approved or related to the company in some way(Booker T's school and Jerry Lawler's fed in Memphis) |
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 1, 2007 16:11:27 GMT -5
They said this last year. It didn't happen. Yes but ... they hadn't already pulled Joe then either I repeat, there's nothing yet that indicates that it was TNA that told Joe "you're done with ROH". Again, it was likely a factor of Joe not being able to wrestle as full a schedule as they were asking from him (TNA tapings and PPVs, ROH shows, and TNA-assigned indy shows/house shows) with his bum knee and various other nagging injuries. That's not the same as "We don't want you appearing for Indy Company X, Y, or Z." |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Feb 1, 2007 16:17:03 GMT -5
This could really hurt the wrestlers, because a lot them are trying to build names for themselves as good performers.
If Joe hadn't been allowed to compete in ROH and didn't have his 20-something month title reign or his famous series with Punk, or if Alex Shelly was just some goofball with a camera, or Austin Aries a suspiciously flamboyant guy called 'Austin Starr', or Homicide an angry guy that wore a bandana and made machine gun noises, or Jay Lethal a bland flip-floppy X-Division no-namer, or Low Ki a guy called 'Senshi' who kicks guys ... who would they be, ultimately? Someone worth tuning in to see?
The thing is, I WOULDN'T be able to get behind all of these guys if all I saw of them was their TNA stuff.
And I watch TNA because these guys, who have competed in ROH and other promotions, have shown me that they're GREAT wrestlers and I can see them on television. I know they're entirely different animals in TNA, but they were given the opportunity in ROH to show me that they were so much more.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Feb 1, 2007 17:17:13 GMT -5
Perfectly Said.
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Post by maxx420 on Feb 1, 2007 17:28:00 GMT -5
This is obvious, and is not really news at all. you dont see WWE guys on indy shows... Yep, unless they're approved or related to the company in some way(Booker T's school and Jerry Lawler's fed in Memphis) Didn't Tommy Dreamer make a few RoH apperances in the early days despite being under WWE contract? |
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Post by KingPopper on Feb 1, 2007 17:38:17 GMT -5
good, pull them all from ROH. ROH was better during the TNA ban anyways. Plus I enjoy 3 different rosters, I hate seeing guys in both TNA and ROH, it just breaks the kayfabe wall. Like back in the day Raven and CM Punk were killing each other in ROH, and in TNA they were apart of the same stable.
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Post by maxx420 on Feb 1, 2007 17:42:52 GMT -5
good, pull them all from ROH. ROH was better during the TNA ban anyways. Plus I enjoy 3 different rosters, I hate seeing guys in both TNA and ROH, it just breaks the kayfabe wall. Like back in the day Raven and CM Punk were killing each other in ROH, and in TNA they were apart of the same stable. TNA tried to crack down on that sort of stuff around the time of the last ban. No indie bookings are allowed to contravene TNA bookings. Meaning that, let's say, a local indie show wants to book Jerry Lynn & Chris Sabin as a tag-team; well, they can't do that because it contradicts what we see on TV on Impact. |
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Post by cenas4dahkids on Feb 1, 2007 17:44:36 GMT -5
If some of these names were not allowed to wrestle outside of TNA, all we would see from them is three minute Crash TV style matches. Wouldn't that be hurtful to the men involved? No... |
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Post by MGH on Feb 1, 2007 17:47:10 GMT -5
If some of these names were not allowed to wrestle outside of TNA, all we would see from them is three minute Crash TV style matches. Wouldn't that be hurtful to the men involved? To some fans of only TNA and WWE it could mean they'll never like them as much as they could if they knew what they are really capable of. Someone on another board made this point, and it really struck me how true it was with me and probably others as well. "We always talk up TNA's roster and how much talent they have and their awesome workrate etc. But outside of a couple of TNA specific matches, I don't like these people because of TNA. I like them from their work elsewhere. It just carries over." |
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Feb 1, 2007 17:51:37 GMT -5
This could really hurt the wrestlers, because a lot them are trying to build names for themselves as good performers. If Joe hadn't been allowed to compete in ROH and didn't have his 20-something month title reign or his famous series with Punk, or if Alex Shelly was just some goofball with a camera, or Austin Aries a suspiciously flamboyant guy called 'Austin Starr', or Homicide an angry guy that wore a bandana and made machine gun noises, or Jay Lethal a bland flip-floppy X-Division no-namer, or Low Ki a guy called 'Senshi' who kicks guys ... who would they be, ultimately? Someone worth tuning in to see? The thing is, I WOULDN'T be able to get behind all of these guys if all I saw of them was their TNA stuff. And I watch TNA because these guys, who have competed in ROH and other promotions, have shown me that they're GREAT wrestlers and I can see them on television. I know they're entirely different animals in TNA, but they were given the opportunity in ROH to show me that they were so much more. Joe's nearly two-year ROH World Title run ended in December 2004. I believe he was first brought into TNA in the Spring or Summer of 2005. Joe made his name in ROH and TNA brought him in. What's your point? TNA is looking to grow and expand, this is just another step for them and their talent. |
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Post by maxx420 on Feb 1, 2007 17:54:32 GMT -5
"We always talk up TNA's roster and how much talent they have and their awesome workrate etc. But outside of a couple of TNA specific matches, I don't like these people because of TNA. I like them from their work elsewhere. It just carries over." Same sort of thing Armando said before: The thing is, I WOULDN'T be able to get behind all of these guys if all I saw of them was their TNA stuff. I never thought about it like that before. Alot of the TNA guys who also make RoH appearances have had excellent matches in TNA, but very few of those matches. It only now occurs to me that it's what I've seen of Alex Shelley, Christopher Daniels, Austin Aries/ Starr, Low-Ki/ Senshi, etc. in other promotions that I know just how good they are. |
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Post by Arturo Classico on Feb 1, 2007 18:21:02 GMT -5
See people slam for saying that TNA talent should focus on TNA! Also the same people for ROH not keeping talent they made! See ROH could be less cult following if they had those people and had at least a syndicated tv show they would be much better now. Look what they would have if they kept they're talent Joe, Punk, Gibson, and Low-Ki. Also I see them losing Aires, Daniels, Shelley, Homicide. This will happen when TNA gets a 2 hour show and ROH will have what?
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Post by The Line on Feb 1, 2007 19:02:57 GMT -5
I know for a fact that at least Homicide and Aries will pick ROH over TNA. Aries has done it in the past, and Homicide is the Crowned Jewel of the company(being there since Day 1). I'd be willing to bet my life savings on that.
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Post by Godhand on Feb 1, 2007 19:03:43 GMT -5
I find it funny that tna stealing talent form roh has been worse then wwe stealing talent from roh.
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Post by The Line on Feb 1, 2007 19:04:43 GMT -5
I find it funny that tna stealing talent form roh has been worse then wwe stealing talent from roh. well, this is a bit different, but I do see your point. |
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