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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2007 16:16:30 GMT -5
Until I hear it from DubyaDubyaE, I won't believe it. But still. RVD would be AWESOME any place else. Plus with the state that the X-Division is going, he'd be perfect for TNA. Yup, I never believe this stuff until it's made official. I don't know what to make of it, part of me doesn't want RVD to leave because we still haven't seen RVD vs Michaels, which is a match I'm dying for. But on the other hand it could be refreshing to see what he does in TNA, Jerry Lynn vs RVD is a no brainer.
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Post by leemir on Feb 3, 2007 16:18:29 GMT -5
But on the other hand it could be refreshing to see what he does in TNA, Jerry Lynn vs RVD is a no brainer. I need to see RVD Vs. Lynn one more time!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 3, 2007 16:20:01 GMT -5
I've never cared for RVD.
The only time he was interesting is when he's smoking weed while driving.
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Post by floundertime on Feb 3, 2007 16:21:29 GMT -5
No matter what happens with his contract status, RVD was given the ball after much hesitation and less then 1 month into his reign, he gets pulled over and has drugs on him. No one in my opinion has dropped the ball as much as he did. Some people didn't draw as much as him, but that could of been because of bad booking or just a down period in the biz.
But RVD is different, he dropped it for stuff he did outside of the ring. So should the WWE invest more money and time in someone that they will never give the belt to again? Isn't it better for them to invest there money and develop a new guy who could be given the belt some time down the road.
And the thing is, RVD knows this. He knows he won't be given a push like that again and so why sit around and hate where you work. If he can go somewhere else, maybe not make as much cash, but be happy, then who can blame him. At the end of the day it comes down to him being happy and only he can determine that
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 3, 2007 16:22:07 GMT -5
Not getting caught driving with illegal drugs is usually a bonus too. I can't believe people are still clinging to this as a reason to crap on Van Dam. He screwed up 6 months ago, and payed for it. He's the most over guy on the waxing brand, let it go already. They didn't have to give him the title back, but clean jobbing to Test, Holly, and Lashley for no apparent reason? Plus it makes me laugh that people act like this is the worst thing some wrestler has ever done. Getting caught with pot. You have to look the wider context: he'd spent years complain and/or rude femaleing about how politics were holding him back, blaming HHH and others. Then, he gets his chance and waxs up entirely by himself. Getting himself and WWE tons of bad press. Then he goes on his website and jokes about it (sure, rob you learned your lesson) . If he hadn't been world champion, it's something that could have been easily forgotten. But he was and. as such, should've known better.
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Post by Garcia Vega on Feb 3, 2007 16:22:25 GMT -5
Yeah, way to put words in someone's mouth. I never said he was held back. I said underutilized and watered down. Let's break this down. 1) Underutilized: Despite being one of the most over wrestlers on the roster, RVD spent the better parts of 2003 and 2004 shuffling around in the midcard and in makeshift tag teams, never getting into any fueds that someone could care about. His only money fued would have been Kane, but they squashed him out of it so that Shane McMahon could steal the fued with Kane from him. Spending two straight years doing nothing in the midcard and being a transitional Intercontinental champion to job to Randy Orton, to me, says underutilized. And when he finally did get the chance he'd been waiting for he completely blew it by getting caught with drugs. Maybe Vince was right to be hesitant to put the title on him. It's a different company with different ways of doing things. He was frequnetly hurting people in 2001 (Kurt Angle got the worst of it) it was causing such a fuss with guys in the back, something had to be done. And his style was toned down. <3
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 3, 2007 16:23:11 GMT -5
Really? outside of internet messageboards and wrestling news sites i never heard anyone mention it at all.
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Post by leemir on Feb 3, 2007 16:24:03 GMT -5
RVD 420, it wasn't just a gimmick. It actually makes me like him more, lol.
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 3, 2007 16:24:27 GMT -5
I'm not a dirt-sheet believer, but if this is true, you can hardly blame him. He's the chief crap-magnet on ECW and that's so far away from the ECW he remembers that I can't imagine him being happy with it.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 3, 2007 16:25:13 GMT -5
Really? outside of internet messageboards and wrestling news sites i never heard anyone mention it at all. Come on. It made several news sites and a few mainstream publications.
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Post by MGH on Feb 3, 2007 16:26:08 GMT -5
Really? outside of internet messageboards and wrestling news sites i never heard anyone mention it at all. Come on. It made several news sites and a few mainstream publications. How about you go poll a full arena at a Raw show or a Smackdown/ECW taping and ask "So what do you think of RVD getting pulled over with weed 6 months ago?". Then show me the 90% that go "huh?" Seems the only people still making a big deal out of this are the people who don't care for Van Dam.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 3, 2007 16:27:33 GMT -5
Really? outside of internet messageboards and wrestling news sites i never heard anyone mention it at all. Come on. It made several news sites and a few mainstream publications. I didn't pay massive attention to it at all like but i really never read it or heard about it being mentioned anywhere other than wrestling news site, it certainly didn't seem like tons of bad publicity either. Most peoples attitudes toward it were either "haha dude, thats insane" or "haha good i hope they give the title to someone who can do more than TEH FLIPPY KICK OMFG" type stuff. It's not like the PTA tried to have the WWE burned inside a giant wicker effigy or something, it seemed like a tiny blip on the radar really.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 3, 2007 16:29:57 GMT -5
Come on. It made several news sites and a few mainstream publications. How about you go poll a full arena at a Raw show or a Smackdown/ECW taping and ask "So what do you think of RVD getting pulled over with weed 6 months ago?". Then show me the 90% that go "huh?" Seems the only people still making a big deal out of this are the people who don't care for Van Dam. He was world champion and he got caught with drugs. At a time when WWE were implementing a well publicised drug policy. How do you think that made WWE look to people? "oh, yeah, they say they're trying get guys clean but their world champion, the guy who represents the company, can't help but smoke a joint." I'm not an RVD hater, but he f***ed up. And it's hard to feel sorry for him right now.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 3, 2007 16:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 3, 2007 16:34:15 GMT -5
Most people don't give a crap outside of wrestling internet sites!! seriously, if the company was going through a boom period and he'd gotten caught with drugs while they were trying to haul merchandise to 8 year olds then i'd understand the anger toward RVD's screw up, but like homeboy up there said, ask most people outside of wrestling if they've even heard of Rob Van Dam and they'll all go "whuh??" rather than "ahh the druggie who gave the WWE a black eye it's barely recivered from, FOR SHAME!!". Not even the fans at the shows give a crap, RVD still gets huge cheers. The Ironton Ohio tribune? guess they better stay out of that place then for house shows in fear of witch hunts.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 3, 2007 16:37:41 GMT -5
I went to search major news sites for the RVD story. CNN still has the story of Jesse Ventura running for Governor on their website, but nothing on Rob Van Dam. Fox News. Well I found Rob van Dam on Fox. Problems though, it is a different one...with a PhD: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204044,00.html So although I disapprove of what RVD did and have no problem with his punishment, saying that major news companies covered it isn't much a big deal. It would still be up if it were.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Feb 3, 2007 16:38:42 GMT -5
How about you go poll a full arena at a Raw show or a Smackdown/ECW taping and ask "So what do you think of RVD getting pulled over with weed 6 months ago?". Then show me the 90% that go "huh?" Seems the only people still making a big deal out of this are the people who don't care for Van Dam. He was world champion and he got caught with drugs. At a time when WWE were implementing a well publicised drug policy. How do you think that made WWE look to people? "oh, yeah, they say they're trying get guys clean but their world champion, the guy who represents the company, can't help but smoke a joint." I'm not an RVD hater, but he waxed up. And it's hard to feel sorry for him right now. I have the same understanding. And I'm a huge fan for the guy. Any faults he has right now are by his own hand.
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Post by Garcia Vega on Feb 3, 2007 16:42:32 GMT -5
So because wrestling doesn't get paid much attention to, it was completely fine for RVD to be busted with ILLEGAL drugs as the WWE champion?
This goes back to the whole thing about being a hypocrite. If Randy Orton had bee busted with weed by the police, everyone would be calling for his head. Since RVD is an internet favorite, he gets a pass.
Nope. He's a loser. You can tell by the way he acts that he is like a child in a grown man's body (yes, I'm recycling my quote.) He's not professional in the least and doesn't deserve to be a major face for any publically traded company.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 3, 2007 16:44:46 GMT -5
Following Eddie's death, there was a huge amount of publcity and a ton of pressure on wwe to do something about wrestling high body count. And not just from hardcore wrestling fans. Other people have noticed the suspiciously high figure for deaths in wrestling (if you recall the HBO documentry in 2003) So it doesn't matter because the fans havn't proclamied their moral indignation? The same guys that cheer Jake the snake and Steve 'wife beater' Austin? In addition the story was picked up by at least three other news outlets ( the alternative press, the L.A times and the chigago sun)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 3, 2007 16:45:11 GMT -5
How about you go poll a full arena at a Raw show or a Smackdown/ECW taping and ask "So what do you think of RVD getting pulled over with weed 6 months ago?". Then show me the 90% that go "huh?" Seems the only people still making a big deal out of this are the people who don't care for Van Dam. He was world champion and he got caught with drugs. At a time when WWE were implementing a well publicised drug policy. How do you think that made WWE look to people? "oh, yeah, they say they're trying get guys clean but their world champion, the guy who represents the company, can't help but smoke a joint." I'm not an RVD hater, but he waxed up. And it's hard to feel sorry for him right now. Im a big Van Dam fan too, but I understand the wwe side of this. The guy gets the chance hes been pissing and moaning about for god knows how long and he turns around and blows it. He failed to make a real effort to sincerely apologize for it (joking about it on your website is probably not a hot idea). Yes, he was punished, but he's also acted like a child the entire time.
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