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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 17:04:07 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the occasional botch. How many real fights do you see punches perfectly executed? Not many. I know kayfabe is dead and buried, but it looks a lot more realistic if a few moves are off as long as they are explained by the announcers (Monsoon/Ventura were masters at that). With that said, the Divas botch moves and make wrestling look fake live on television. That's the difference. At least give me the illusion that what you're doing it real, even if I know it's not. Watching Trish and Victoria do a gymnastics routine where it looks like they are rehearsing a fight is not very fun to watch. The fact that they botch moves ON TOP OF THAT is unbearable. Put ugly women that can wrestle in there. Hell, Chyna probably did more for women's wrestling than anyone for the last decade and she was more manly than most of the men. She has a bigger penis than most of the men too most likely.
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Post by Powder/The Professor on Jan 28, 2007 17:09:57 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 28, 2007 17:34:11 GMT -5
Ya Garcia botches are the best. She's beautiful and can sing worth a damn, but she sucks as a ring announcer, she's been botching since 1999. If she was a dude, she'd be long gone.
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Post by blackhart on Jan 28, 2007 17:40:56 GMT -5
Women do not belong in pro wrestling
Except as managers
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Post by blackhart on Jan 28, 2007 17:49:45 GMT -5
The biggest botch was that fugly Nidia at the end
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 18:06:27 GMT -5
Women do not belong in pro wrestling Except as managers While they can be useful, a number of them CAN wrestle, despite these shown botches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 18:08:37 GMT -5
Women do not belong in pro wrestling Except as managers In the WWE's case I agree. I'd prefer all the women just be valets like Ariel. (Who wrestles once in a while but not much)
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Post by blackhart on Jan 28, 2007 18:08:42 GMT -5
I've never seen a womans match that looks as visually good as a mans.
Men can't work at a hooters. Same thing as pro wrestling. It just doesn't look right (Not a great example but the best I can think of)
Only match I halfway liked was in ROH with some Mischief girl who did some sick looking moves. ..... But the match was still boring overall
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Post by skskillz on Jan 28, 2007 18:11:49 GMT -5
I gotta agree with blackhart. There are certain instances where women are useful (Liz, Sherri, Chyna), but it's very few and far between.
Right now women don't even have a place as valets. How many women actually HELP the guys they are managing? Melina and Ariel are being pushed over the men they are managing. It's like that with all female valets nowadays.
The WWE has made women completely useless in wrestling. Whether that's a bad thing or a good thing is up to you. I loved Liz and Sherri, but that was decades ago.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jan 28, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -5
I've never seen a womans match that looks as visually good as a mans. It depends on the match. I'd take every single match on the Shimmer Volume 1 DVD over what we usually are subjected to on ECW every week. But I think this video illustrates the problem with women's wrestling in the WWE. You can't take a bunch of models and except them to pull off difficult moves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 18:34:24 GMT -5
About the "women being poor as valets" thing, they DO help the super-fit heels women in the audience would normally love obtain heat from the women(as a result of the "jealousy" factor). And whoever they manage doubles as a reversed role to that, which allows both of them to get effective heel heat.
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Post by Suck it Trebek! on Jan 28, 2007 21:09:41 GMT -5
I've never seen a womans match that looks as visually good as a mans. Men can't work at a hooters. Same thing as pro wrestling. It just doesn't look right (Not a great example but the best I can think of) Only match I halfway liked was in ROH with some Mischief girl who did some sick looking moves. ..... But the match was still boring overall There was a Victoria/Trish match like in '01-02 that was as good as a man's.
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Post by pearljam on Jan 28, 2007 22:34:45 GMT -5
In a way it both entertains me, and really saddens me. Same here.
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Post by spiderlady on Jan 28, 2007 22:49:53 GMT -5
That was a funny video, but the botches were so bad that I had to watch a Megumi Kudo match or two to get the horrible images out of my mind. Some of these women really only do belong on the sidelines. Although women like Ashley and Torrie do very well as eye candy outside of the ring, they really shouldn't try to wrestle with little to no training at all. I noticed that when women try to put on "sexy" matches like stripping each other, pulling hair, and rolling around on the ground, it usually ends up to be a disaster of a match. I guess that some guys like catfighting, but if I was a guy I would like to see a woman who could be a Diva and a wrestler (like Ariel ).
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Post by kkliq on Jan 28, 2007 23:10:09 GMT -5
Wow. Apparently, divas don't know how to do a roll-up.
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Post by Azraith on Jan 28, 2007 23:29:34 GMT -5
In the WWE...yes about 75-80 percent of womens wrestling is worthless, but to write off women's wrestling all-together because of what you see in the WWE is kinda lame. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atc4qjUF_FgAn admittedly old example (95-ish? Not too solid on my Joshi), but I think it at least gives some heft to the argument that outside of the "Diva" mentality, there is some REALLY good womens wrestling out there.
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Post by Yessica on Jan 29, 2007 0:04:52 GMT -5
I thought it was just going to be a repost of THAT Jackie Gayda match. Which I'm still trying to find in it's entirety. I just uploaded the whole match on youtube for the people who wanted to see it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON3fxYOAKjI
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Post by Johnny Q Public on Feb 3, 2007 20:51:22 GMT -5
Damn. Botches everywhere
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2007 21:19:15 GMT -5
"And mercifully...it's over."
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 3, 2007 21:30:27 GMT -5
I just want you to know that when watching that Torrie Wilson-Ashley Massaro match, I really was worried about the fate of the women's division.
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