Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 7, 2007 23:50:41 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that Cena is being molded to be the new Hulk Hogan, even though he has less than a tenth the Hulkster's charisma? And while Hogan was never a Chris Benoit or even a Bob Backlund, but Hogan was still better in the ring than Cena, admit.
But seriously, does anyone remember how in the AWA, Hogan used to be put over two or three guys in handicap matches? Or in the 80's WWF he was put into fueds with monsters like King Kong Bundy or Andre?
Just another example of WWE looking to the past instead of the future. Next, I gaurantee, they will try turning Cena heel.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 7, 2007 23:52:23 GMT -5
Hogan didn't beat guys with roll ups.
And no, Cena is a better wrestler than Hogan.
And yes, they're both pushed as dominant guys. Just like Austin was, and just like a dozen or more other guys have been.
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Post by RoloSolo IV on Jan 7, 2007 23:54:08 GMT -5
funny how the IWC wasnt around in 1980, cause in 1980, they would follow guys like Dave Meltzer and say Bob Backlund was very BORING and had NO TALENT. Cause thats what Meltzer thought of Backlund.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 8, 2007 0:01:50 GMT -5
Hogan didn't beat guys with roll ups. And no, Cena is a better wrestler than Hogan. And yes, they're both pushed as dominant guys. Just like Austin was, and just like a dozen or more other guys have been. I keep saying this, Austin was not made to look all that dominant. He got beat quite often. He spent more time chasing the title than he did holding it. |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 8, 2007 0:01:51 GMT -5
funny how the IWC wasnt around in 1980, cause in 1980, they would follow guys like Dave Meltzer and say Bob Backlund was very BORING and had NO TALENT. Cause thats what Meltzer thought of Backlund. Was that before or after he packed MSG with 29,000 people in his WWF Title Match with Kevin Nash? |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 8, 2007 0:03:08 GMT -5
Hogan didn't beat guys with roll ups. And no, Cena is a better wrestler than Hogan. And yes, they're both pushed as dominant guys. Just like Austin was, and just like a dozen or more other guys have been. I keep saying this, Austin was not made to look all that dominant. He got beat quite often. He spent more time chasing the title than he did holding it. I'm not saying anything about Cena's past ... what, two and a half years? God, it seems like forever. I'm just saying that the match with Umaga was not a typical Cena 'I overcame the odds thanks to the troops' win. I kind of wish I had seen it, because it sounded very out of the ordinary. |
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Post by tna on Jan 8, 2007 0:04:49 GMT -5
I keep saying this, Austin was not made to look all that dominant. He got beat quite often. He spent more time chasing the title than he did holding it. That is a very good point. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 8, 2007 0:06:54 GMT -5
I keep saying this, Austin was not made to look all that dominant. He got beat quite often. He spent more time chasing the title than he did holding it. I'm not saying anything about Cena's past ... what, two and a half years? God, it seems like forever. I'm just saying that the match with Umaga was not a typical Cena 'I overcame the odds thanks to the troops' win. I kind of wish I had seen it, because it sounded very out of the ordinary. I fail to see how your point argues against/in support of my point. Did you mean to quote someone else? |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 8, 2007 0:09:33 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about Cena's past ... what, two and a half years? God, it seems like forever. I'm just saying that the match with Umaga was not a typical Cena 'I overcame the odds thanks to the troops' win. I kind of wish I had seen it, because it sounded very out of the ordinary. I fail to see how your point argues against/in support of my point. Did you mean to quote someone else? Oh, sorry. I was just making a general statement. I can't really argue with your point.  |
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 8, 2007 0:10:52 GMT -5
Hogan more charisma then Cena? I unno, I mean seriously all Hogan did was yell in interviews and then look at the crowd 20 times after doing a big boot before doing the leg drop...
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 8, 2007 0:11:12 GMT -5
Oh...okay.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 8, 2007 0:12:44 GMT -5
Hogan more charisma then Cena? I unno, I mean seriously all Hogan did was yell in interviews and then look at the crowd 20 times after doing a big boot before doing the leg drop... Dude, I loathe Hogan. But he's pretty much the most charismic wrestler ever. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 8, 2007 0:16:17 GMT -5
Hogan more charisma then Cena? I unno, I mean seriously all Hogan did was yell in interviews and then look at the crowd 20 times after doing a big boot before doing the leg drop... Dude, I loathe Hogan. But he's pretty much the most charismic wrestler ever. He is quite the charismatic enigma wrestler. |
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Post by tna on Jan 8, 2007 0:16:21 GMT -5
Hogan more charisma then Cena? I unno, I mean seriously all Hogan did was yell in interviews and then look at the crowd 20 times after doing a big boot before doing the leg drop... Dude, I loathe Hogan. But he's pretty much the most charismic wrestler ever. Seriously, he is. Nobody can top Big Orange in that department. |
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Jan 8, 2007 0:23:26 GMT -5
The only difference is 99% of people marked for Hogan. Even if you absolutly hated him in the 80's, when you see him live you'll mark out. Also the fans believed in Hogan, with Cena it feels so contrived, there is no real emotion behind it.
Cena is also no where near as good an in ring worker as Hogan. From the way Cena sells to his over the top covers, it's wrestling school 101.
Something to note, Hogan's title run till the Andre SNME deal should be what Hogan's merits are based on, not his early 90's crap.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 8, 2007 0:33:22 GMT -5
Cena does more moves and is really powerful, but Hogan could sell better. Yes, he no-sold at the end, but his selling throughout a match served a purpose in drawing fans into every repetitive Hogan match until he made his final comeback. Cena doesn't really have that ability.
And charisma and mic skill aren't the same thing; they just go together often. Hogan had tons of charisma that overshadowed the repetitive nature of his promos; Austin was much the same way. The Rock actually had charisma AND mic skill (which is why Rock did well in Hollywood, but Hogan flopped). Cena is much like the Rock in terms of having both, but he doesn't have nearly as much of either (or the freedom to use what he has).
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 12, 2007 4:44:44 GMT -5
Dude, I loathe Hogan. But he's pretty much the most charismic wrestler ever. Seriously, he is. Nobody can top Big Orange in that department. Yelling during your promos, looking at the crowd for 20 minutes and clapping your hands, and making fish faces...thats pretty much Hogan. Rock, HBK and Cena are deffinatly alot more charismatic... |
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Post by skskillz on Jan 12, 2007 11:19:03 GMT -5
Yelling during your promos, looking at the crowd for 20 minutes and clapping your hands, and making fish faces...thats pretty much Hogan. Rock, HBK and Cena are deffinatly alot more charismatic... Making pie jokes, raising an eyebrow, over-exaggerrating an elbow drop.....that's pretty much The Rock. And he, along with Hogan, is one of the most charismatic wrestlers you will ever see. Charisma is about presence. Hogan had an aura about him which was larger than life. His promos were out there, but they worked. He had intensity. He knew how to make the crowd respond just by a facial expression. That's the type of talent and charisma that only the top stars have or had (Hogan, Rock, Austin, Piper, Savage, etc). Cena is charismatic, but not anywhere near that level. |
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Post by hotrod on Jan 12, 2007 11:27:33 GMT -5
Hogan didn't beat guys with roll ups. And no, Cena is a better wrestler than Hogan. And yes, they're both pushed as dominant guys. Just like Austin was, and just like a dozen or more other guys have been. watch some hogan matches from japan, he is pretty watchable in them |
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Post by lmoney215 on Jan 12, 2007 11:27:38 GMT -5
one other difference between cena and hogan is that hogan had feuds that people still remember to this day.
cena's best feud since his mega push is against edge. with not that many excitiing things on raw, i can see why they are holding it out until they absolutely have to feud them again.
Hogan can wrestle, but didn't need to because he was so over with his 2 moves. On the other hand, the fans gave cena crap about his liack of wrestling holds and moves, so they gave him the STFU. Plus they need to go back to hip hop cena instead of this marine cena.
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