McMahon reacts

[hassanchop]

sources: Pro Wrestling Torch, www.f4wonline.com

During the Rosie vs. Trump match on RAW, some fans in attendance were chanting "TNA" and possibly "VKM" as well. According to a fan in attendance, Vince McMahon, who was sitting by Lilian Garcia, acted like he didn't hear the chants. However, there was one fan right behind him that was repeatedly screaming "TNA, TNA, TNA" in his ear. When this happened, Vince McMahon's smile to the match toned down considerably. Furthermore, his body language seemed to go from excited to slouched down & bored while people in the Scottrade Center chanted his competitor's name.

Internally Monday night's edition of RAW was seen as an utter disaster and embarrassment. It was likely due to the Rosie vs. Trump match as it failed to a monumental degree in the building and had the fans loudly chanting "TNA!"

The "Rosie" vs. "Trump" match hasn't gotten as much mainstream publicity as WWE probably hoped for. Thus far, I have only been able to find a single article on TMZ.com on the stunt. I have yet to hear word of the match being mentioned on television. Furthermore, Rosie O'Donnell didn't acknowledge the impersonation on "The View" yesterday.

[amsiraK]

Because it was stupid. We were all waiting for something to happen (I was praying for a run-in to end the pain. Tell me Austin or The Rock couldn't have done a one-off promo and planted both of them) and it just killed the whole show.

[Dynamic Dee]

I didn't even catch that but i'm glad that i didn't. At least he saw for himself that everyone hated it and hopefully will just drop the whole thing.

[Allison Reynolds]

I noticed Mcmahon wasn't his grinning self either. He had his elbow on his knees and hands on his chin. While Lillian Garcia was all trying to cheer him up. Funny actually.

[amsiraK]

I wish he'd have just one person to tell him "Maybe not, huh?" beforehand. But... is Patterson still around? I'm never sure anymore. He was gone then he was back. Vince needs a "no" man. Having promos was one thing, but a full-blown match was just a bad idea from the word "go".

[Dynamic Dee]

karisma888 said:

I wish he'd have just one person to tell him "Maybe not, huh?" beforehand. But... is Patterson still around? I'm never sure anymore. He was gone then he was back. Vince needs a "no" man. Having promos was one thing, but a full-blown match was just a bad idea from the word "go".

Thats the biggest problem. I think he has to many "yes" men. No one tells him when an idea sucks and that he shouldn't go through with it. We end up having to tell him that by totally crapping on it.

[Legion]

THIS WAS NOT VINCE'S IDEA.

Sorry to use caps but not seems to want to hear that it was NBC's idea, they want Trump everywhere in order to get publicity for the new series of the Apprentice. It's them that are trying for a deal to actually get Trump on WWE TV so that they can cross appeal to the demographic they are aiming the Apprentice at.

As much as Vince is stupid for agreeing to this and Raw had generally sucked for the past few months, this one cannot be laid solely at his door.

[amsiraK]

I know. Too many yes-men attached to his behind. And he won't have people around him who DON'T agree with him because he's Vince McMahon Dammit^(tm) and doesn't want to hear that he's wrong.

Guess what, Vince. YOU'RE WRONG. That sucked ass and no one liked it. It should've lasted six seconds and had a run-in so it was at least linked to the product in some fashion. Use it to promote a feud. Use it to start a new one. SOMETHING. SHEESH! They even used stupid K-Fed better than this and he's a complete waste of skin.

[Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture]

legion said:

THIS WAS NOT VINCE'S IDEA.

Sorry to use caps but not seems to want to hear that it was NBC's idea, they want Trump everywhere in order to get publicity for the new series of the Apprentice. It's them that are trying for a deal to actually get Trump on WWE TV so that they can cross appeal to the demographic they are aiming the Apprentice at.

As much as Vince is stupid for agreeing to this and Raw had generally sucked for the past few months, this one cannot be laid solely at his door.

This point is valid.

NBC probably stuck it to Vince by calling a favor, since Saturday Night's Main Event didn't draw what they claimed it would in terms of ratings.

[Legion]

Yeah, i reckon so, i mean sure Vince has a lot to answer for, but this time we cannot blame him

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

karisma888 said:

I wish he'd have just one person to tell him "Maybe not, huh?" beforehand. But... is Patterson still around? I'm never sure anymore. He was gone then he was back. Vince needs a "no" man. Having promos was one thing, but a full-blown match was just a bad idea from the word "go".

This is why I miss Paul Heyman. Heyman was probably the only guy in recent years who would say "no" to Vince and would question his ideas. Of course, Heyman was sent home probably for that very reason.

As for Vince looking all somber and sad while the audience crapped on his product, I have no sympathy whatsoever. He basically spent the entire show making fat jokes and lesbian jokes... when it turned out that he was the butt of the joke in the end.

[Ace Diamond]

Look at it this way, Vince can now go to NBC/Universal and tell them to stay away from his product, so that we'll hopefully get less of these "real world" feuds.

But yeah I'm glad Vince at least figured out for once this idea sucked when he heard the crowd response.

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

legion said:

THIS WAS NOT VINCE'S IDEA.

Sorry to use caps but not seems to want to hear that it was NBC's idea, they want Trump everywhere in order to get publicity for the new series of the Apprentice. It's them that are trying for a deal to actually get Trump on WWE TV so that they can cross appeal to the demographic they are aiming the Apprentice at.

As much as Vince is stupid for agreeing to this and Raw had generally sucked for the past few months, this one cannot be laid solely at his door.

I'm sure that you are correct that NBC probably told Vince to feature Donald Trump as a cross-promotional tie-in. However I believe that everything we saw this past Monday was the creative product of WWE and Vince McMahon. NBC didn't force Vince McMahon to make fun of Rosie O'Donnell. NBC also didn't insist on a wrestling match between Vince and Rosie. To be honest, WWE probably could have had Jerry Lawler and Jim Ross shill the new NBC lineup and mention "The Apprentice" by name, and NBC would have been happy.

In other words, NBC probably requested that Vince feature Donald Trump on their show. WWE's interpretation of that was to feature Rosie and Trump in a wrestling match and make lots of bad jokes.

[SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts]

Because Vince never ever wanted to have celebrities involved in his shows? Just because it might've been NBC's idea, doesn't mean Vince wasn't drooling over the prospects of huge coverage from outside media.

[BRV]

This could be the best thing to happen to WWE. Maybe now Vince will realize that he isn't the only major professional wrestling organization, and he'll turn the show around, so he doesn't lose viewers.

I know WWE still triples TNA's ratings, but maybe Vince can get a little concerned with 1/2 of the Scottrade Center chanting "TNA! TNA! TNA!"

[Legion]

lenny said:

legion said:

THIS WAS NOT VINCE'S IDEA.

Sorry to use caps but not seems to want to hear that it was NBC's idea, they want Trump everywhere in order to get publicity for the new series of the Apprentice. It's them that are trying for a deal to actually get Trump on WWE TV so that they can cross appeal to the demographic they are aiming the Apprentice at.

As much as Vince is stupid for agreeing to this and Raw had generally sucked for the past few months, this one cannot be laid solely at his door.

I'm sure that you are correct that NBC probably told Vince to feature Donald Trump as a cross-promotional tie-in. However I believe that everything we saw this past Monday was the creative product of WWE and Vince McMahon. NBC didn't force Vince McMahon to make fun of Rosie O'Donnell. NBC also didn't insist on a wrestling match between Vince and Rosie. To be honest, WWE probably could have had Jerry Lawler and Jim Ross shill the new NBC lineup and mention "The Apprentice" by name, and NBC would have been happy.

In other words, NBC probably requested that Vince feature Donald Trump on their show. WWE's interpretation of that was to feature Rosie and Trump in a wrestling match and make lots of bad jokes.

Well, that would depend, we don't really know the answer, so we can only hypothesis, but i wouldn't have thought that Rosie was anything from Vince and Co. but more likely from Trump who has his own bones to pick with her and, just as NBC probably made demands of Vince i am sure that Trump would have made demands to allow himself his name to be involved and to make the eventual appearence that was being trumpeted last week.

The only reason i say this and make excuses for this event was that last week when the story broke of the Trump/WWE thing after the Vince/Conway segment was that all the news sites that are generally quoted here were saying that this was ALL coming from NBC and was going to culminate either at the Rumble or possibly at a pre-WM Saturday Nights Main Event.

After this week however i cannot see even Vince trying to push this down audiences throats but i would not be suprised to see him try it one more time in front of a different audience just to see if it wasn't just a 'bad' crowd before he tried to tell NBC anything.

[hardswallowjockass]

Rosie brought up "The Donald" on today's View, but she never mentioned the WWE mockery. Vinnie-Mac fears the media blackout.

[valiens]

Saddly, what he'll probably do in light of this utter failure is write it into next week's script. MsMahon, we will find out, is purposely feeding us bad television because...you know...he hates the fans, or whatever. PLEASE, VINCE, JUST DROP IT LIKE YOU DID THE BALL MONDAY.

[hardswallowjockass]

We'll probably get a fake Jim Cornette and Dixie Carter tag teaming against Vince and Shane next week, for "ruining" his dream match.

[seanwalsh]

legion said:

THIS WAS NOT VINCE'S IDEA.

Sorry to use caps but not seems to want to hear that it was NBC's idea, they want Trump everywhere in order to get publicity for the new series of the Apprentice. It's them that are trying for a deal to actually get Trump on WWE TV so that they can cross appeal to the demographic they are aiming the Apprentice at.

As much as Vince is stupid for agreeing to this and Raw had generally sucked for the past few months, this one cannot be laid solely at his door.

But it can be laid mainly at his door.

Look - there were probably a million different ways to get Trump's name out there.

Sadly, Vince and Co.'s best idea was..............well, what was shown Monday night.