Legitimately Strongest Wrestler Ever?

['Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada]

ultimochocula said:

Does the name Andre The Giant ring a bell?

I never figured he was strong so much as really, really big, with the strength that would go with that size.

[Mr. Zombie]

This is an ongoing debate. I remember having this conversation with Quake multiple times. There are different types of strong in the ring. Theres power strong, like Big Show picking up mysterio with one hand. There's Dan Severn, who a lot of people say was strong as on ox, but he really didn't show a lot of power. Then there's someone like Meng, who is just tough.

I would say Cena is a strong man, but his finisher doesn't require a super feat of strength, especially since he has a lot of help from the large guys, and since he's using his back and legs, two of the strongest muscle groups in your body, and all he really does is stand there. He can slightly fall to the side for the heavier guys and get them off of his shoulders. Its impressive, but its not this huge feat of strength. I don't think he belongs anywhere near this debate.

Goldberg's Jackhammer is in the same league. He got a lot of help. But, what was impressive was the fact that he would stand there with someone like the Giant, who weighed about 350-400 lbs at the time. Then again, Ric Flair and Arn Anderson could do the standing suplex and have guys up in the air for a good amount of time.

I'm not sure who the strongest wrestler ever is, but I would say that the strongest one I've seen in my 15-20 years of watching would have to be Brock Lesnar. That man threw around the Hardys like they were rag dolls. He powerbombed Al Snow multiple times as if he were nothing. He threw the Big Show around with no problem at all. No problem whatsoever. Some of the reversals he did were insane. The one that sticks out in my mind was his reversal of the tombstone. He actually had the Undertaker off the ground, and then heaved him up into the air onto his shoulders for an F5. Thats power, to be able to heave a 300 pound man into the air and onto your shoulders as if he were nothing. He also did the same thing to Mark Henry. He actually gave him airtime on his F5, like he was nothing. He just threw him up into the air. Sometimes Lesnar didnt get an assist on his moves. He would just toss guys around because he could. For my money, Lesnar appeared to be the strongest wrestler and had some of the most amazing feats of strength in the ring.

[Ultimo Chocula]

vanvader said:

ultimochocula said:

Does the name Andre The Giant ring a bell?

I never figured he was strong so much as really, really big, with the strength that would go with that size.

He was so strong that he was afraid he might really hurt someone so he was super careful in the ring. The story is that the night of WrestleMania III Hulk was nervous and kept asking "Andre's going to let me do the slam, right?" because if Andre really wanted to he could have changed the outcome of that match easy.

['Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada]

How could I forget Brock Lesner? You're absolutely right, Zombie. He was a beast.

[H-Fist]

Something that hampers the debate is the historical trend of giving billed weights that vary greatly from actual weight. I remember an interview with the Rock where he talked about how he was billed as 275, but actually under 250 most of the time. Any good gym that has a "gym's records" board has a "most weight" and a "most weight %age body mass" category. So for body mass, think about the Jack Evanses. Eg, Amazing Red (maybe legit 5'3", 130 lbs) F-5'ed a near-200lb Maximo brother at an early ROH show. That's a lot of strength, and much more impressive then Lesnar F-5-ing someone in the 300lb area. Mark Henry for trained muscle group strength, sure. I mean, I hope I can someday squat 600, which would be akin to Henry's 1000lbs.

[TRUTH TELLER]

rhzombie18 said:

I'm not sure who the strongest wrestler ever is, but I would say that the strongest one I've seen in my 15-20 years of watching would have to be Brock Lesnar. That man threw around the Hardys like they were rag dolls. He powerbombed Al Snow multiple times as if he were nothing. He threw the Big Show around with no problem at all. No problem whatsoever. Some of the reversals he did were insane. The one that sticks out in my mind was his reversal of the tombstone. He actually had the Undertaker off the ground, and then heaved him up into the air onto his shoulders for an F5. Thats power, to be able to heave a 300 pound man into the air and onto your shoulders as if he were nothing. He also did the same thing to Mark Henry. He actually gave him airtime on his F5, like he was nothing. He just threw him up into the air. Sometimes Lesnar didnt get an assist on his moves. He would just toss guys around because he could. For my money, Lesnar appeared to be the strongest wrestler and had some of the most amazing feats of strength in the ring.

Testify. I have never seen anyone as strong as Lesnar ever in my life. Not only did he F-5 Show while he himself had legit broken ribs at Survivor Series 2002, but he once gave Show a running powerbomb out of the corner (think D-Lo Brown) at Vengeance 2003. As strong as Cena is, when he deadlifts these huge guys they look like a load. But when Lesnar did it, it looked effortless. (I remember him literally running in circles with Albert before giving him an F-5.)

[thesunbeast]

vanvader said:

p93 said:

errrrr.... Mark Henry?

I've yet to see Mark Henry perform a really impressive feat of strength. He generally seems to wrestle much smaller guys.

Mark Henry, at one time, was considered the strongest man who ever lived. I can't really pin point a wrestler that I could honestly say is more powerful than Mark Henry inside the ring. Mabe he's sloppy, but the guy dosen't know his own strength.


The guys on my list with the reputation of being incredibly strong os the most powerfull wrestlers are:

-Andre the Giant
-Ken Patera
-Mark Henry
-Tony Atlas
-Big Show
-Brock Lesnar
-Goldberg
-Superstar Billy Grahm

As far as Functional strength, I'd give it to Andre or Big Show. As far as muscular strength, I'd give it to Tony Atlas, Superstar Billy Grahm or Scott Steiner. As far as over all power is concerned, I'd say either ken Patera or Mark Henry.

If we're talking about just who's the most powerful in the gym and can lift the most weight for a 1 rep max, then I'd say Patera or Henry.

[canary]

It's a toss up between either BG James or Kip James. Pushing Funk and Foley off the edge of the Raw ram was a mighty test of strength!

VKM Hooray!

[thesunbeast]

mikebowski said:

rhzombie18 said:

I'm not sure who the strongest wrestler ever is, but I would say that the strongest one I've seen in my 15-20 years of watching would have to be Brock Lesnar. That man threw around the Hardys like they were rag dolls. He powerbombed Al Snow multiple times as if he were nothing. He threw the Big Show around with no problem at all. No problem whatsoever. Some of the reversals he did were insane. The one that sticks out in my mind was his reversal of the tombstone. He actually had the Undertaker off the ground, and then heaved him up into the air onto his shoulders for an F5. Thats power, to be able to heave a 300 pound man into the air and onto your shoulders as if he were nothing. He also did the same thing to Mark Henry. He actually gave him airtime on his F5, like he was nothing. He just threw him up into the air. Sometimes Lesnar didnt get an assist on his moves. He would just toss guys around because he could. For my money, Lesnar appeared to be the strongest wrestler and had some of the most amazing feats of strength in the ring.

Testify. I have never seen anyone as strong as Lesnar ever in my life. Not only did he F-5 Show while he himself had legit broken ribs at Survivor Series 2002, but he once gave Show a running powerbomb out of the corner (think D-Lo Brown) at Vengeance 2003. As strong as Cena is, when he deadlifts these huge guys they look like a load. But when Lesnar did it, it looked effortless. (I remember him literally running in circles with Albert before giving him an F-5.)

Yes, Lesnar is one powerful guy, but he's no where near as strong as a Mark Henry in his prime. Lesnar also had the "Tough guy" image to go along with is aura. But you can't just look at someone's musculature and determine their power. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are two different things. Mind you, Both Lesnar and Henry were both power based, henry was a professional for years, and I've seen many guys try to deadweight Henry on purpose, and fail. The reason why,in my opinion, that Henry's strength is overlooked, is that their's so much hype about how strong he is, that when he dose something that's a huge feat of strength, it dosen't seem special, like it's expected. The guy heaved and threw Batista like he was a light bag of patatos.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

What about Kane?

in some Royal Rumble He military pressed Big show and walked to the ropes while Big Show was still up,

[BHB]

Brock Lesnar no doubt.

The guy could manhandle the Undertaker and Big Show like no one else.

And for the record, Mark Henry has NEVER been the real world's strongest man. He won the Arnold classic which is a minor strongman contest.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Strongest_Man

This guys is a waxing monster:

www.born2bbig.com/mariusz-pudzianowski.html

[Funkyjumbo]

What about Dino Bravo, they had all those feats of strength he did.
Bench pressing over 700lbs (alright Ventura did help)and doing push ups whilst John Tenta was sitting on him (Quake didn't fully sit on him).
He was one genuine strongman.
Though he did have to carry the Warrior through a lot of matchs

[Dynamic Dude Johnny]

Bill Kazmeier also wrestled after World's Strongest Man competitions.
But he was bad at both.


That is not a fair statement. Kazmeier did suck at wrestling but he was the last American(I believe it was 15 years ago) to win the metrex worlds strongets man competetion. So if he won the Worlds strongest man title he must be good at that kind of competion.

[Scott]

Cena given the size of his frame

[REDUNBECK~!]

I'm going with Mark "I can deadlift half-a-ton" Henry on this one.

[Baixo Astral]

Hulk Hogan bodyslammed the 1250lb Andre the Giant in front of 560,000 people, cracking the world in half and killing Andre twice... now THAT'S strength.

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thegoldenspike said:

Hulk Hogan bodyslammed the 1250lb Andre the Giant in front of 560,000 people, cracking the world in half and killing Andre twice... now THAT'S strength.

Your an idiot.























it was actually infront of 1,000,000 people.

[Bub (BLM)]

I've heard and read in alot of interviews that Ron Simmons in his prime was scary strong.

[Baixo Astral]

p93 said:

thegoldenspike said:

Hulk Hogan bodyslammed the 1250lb Andre the Giant in front of 560,000 people, cracking the world in half and killing Andre twice... now THAT'S strength.

Your an idiot.























it was actually infront of 1,000,000 people.

And also, Andre actually weighed 5.6 metric tonnes.

[cenafan007]

#1 - Mark Henry [squatted 1000 pounds, lifted a jeep from underneath as in doing Bench Press, broke off the thick Steel Chain of the locked cage door on SD!]

#2 - Andre The Giant

#3 - Brock Lesnar

#4 - Big Show

#5 - Bill Goldberg