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Post by Palatial Regalia on Jan 7, 2007 12:11:42 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why people make polls like this. You could put "Hogan 1987 vs. Shelton Benjamin 2004" and Benjamin would win in a landslide. This is a smark message board. Seriously, how difficult is it to understand that people here don't like Hogan, Warrior, Cena, Goldberg, Andre, or anything else that was popular and drew money at a certain period of time? More polls results: Bobby Heenan will win every single poll here. Royal Rumble 1992 will win every poll here. Hogan and Cena will lose every poll here. You can buy mint condition Donruss.....factory set. Got it? Who are you to speak for the board? You definately dont speak for me
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 7, 2007 12:47:39 GMT -5
Hogan was great but Trips was easily at his pinnacle in 2000 which was maybe the highest level of heelism anyone has ever been at. I'll go with Trips here in a close one.
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 7, 2007 12:49:16 GMT -5
Oh puh-lease. Hulk Hogan in ANY year would whip HHH's ass, but 1987? The year when he headlined the BIGGEST wrestling PPV of all time, set indoor attendance records, TV ratings records....I mean come on. Hogan is the standard of wrestling and 1987 was his peak year. HHH is some mug who just happened to be there during an up turn. Lord knows his pathetic little juvenile pranks with DX in the years before 2000 hardly set the wresting world on fire. Austin and Rock were the one's who exploded WWE back up to the top, HHH was just...there. No way can the two be compared. But he was the champion during the hottest period in ages for the E, that counts for something. Without a heal the level of Trips, people wouldnt have cared as much about Austin, Rock or Foley.
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Post by normcoleman on Jan 7, 2007 12:51:42 GMT -5
Da Game
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Post by romafan87 on Jan 7, 2007 13:35:22 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why people make polls like this. You could put "Hogan 1987 vs. Shelton Benjamin 2004" and Benjamin would win in a landslide. This is a smark message board. Seriously, how difficult is it to understand that people here don't like Hogan, Warrior, Cena, Goldberg, Andre, or anything else that was popular and drew money at a certain period of time? More polls results: Bobby Heenan will win every single poll here. Royal Rumble 1992 will win every poll here. Hogan and Cena will lose every poll here. You can buy mint condition Donruss.....factory set. Got it? You forgot these ones: - After a few flames, HBK always edges out Bret Hart - HBK/Bret Hart and HBK/Taker are the GREATEST MATCHES EVER, except when Royal Rumble '92 are involved. - Wrestling was terrible before 1992 because there was no workrate, even though Muta, Liger, Dynamite Kid, Tiger Mask and a laundry list of others existed and were putting on matches great, even by today's standards, then. - Also, anything involving Bruno Sammartino was TERRIBLE because the matches were 40 minutes long and boring, even though the feuds lasted for months, were built as well, if not better, than most feuds today, and incorporated more storytelling, even by today's standards, then than today. - The Invasion failed because the WWE brought in no-names instead of the big names, even though the big names are what sunk WCW in the first place. Also interesting to note that there was always criticism on WCW for not introducing its younger talent; WWE tries to do this and the WWE FANS absolutely SHIT on them (See: Palumbo and O'Haire). - Joe is the undeniable ruler of the universe. - Sid crapped his pants. Any others that I missed?
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Post by romafan87 on Jan 7, 2007 13:39:27 GMT -5
Oh puh-lease. Hulk Hogan in ANY year would whip HHH's ass, but 1987? The year when he headlined the BIGGEST wrestling PPV of all time, set indoor attendance records, TV ratings records....I mean come on. Hogan is the standard of wrestling and 1987 was his peak year. HHH is some mug who just happened to be there during an up turn. Lord knows his pathetic little juvenile pranks with DX in the years before 2000 hardly set the wresting world on fire. Austin and Rock were the one's who exploded WWE back up to the top, HHH was just...there. No way can the two be compared. But he was the champion during the hottest period in ages for the E, that counts for something. Without a heal the level of Trips, people wouldnt have cared as much about Austin, Rock or Foley. Triple H wasn't even in the main event picture until the summer of 1999. What jump-started the WWE was Austin and what elevated it was the Rock. Their foil? Not Triple H, it was eachother and Mr. McMahon. What did Triple H do that really set fire to the wrestling world in that period or any other time period? In no way did he bring in fans from the mainstream; if non wrestling fans know him now, it is probably for the man-law commercials and not because he was "the best heel of 2000", which even if true, he would have been NOTHING without the Rock. To end, think about this. How bad of a performer do you have to be to botch a feud with Stone Cold? -Ian
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 7, 2007 13:47:59 GMT -5
^ Ian, your a moron if you think Trips is a bad performer. Yes Hogan was great, but Trips was THE champion during the E's biggest boom in years. That speaks for something. What Trips did was harder as well because he was being featured on tv MUCH more then Hogan due to having two weekly(at least) shows compared to Hogan being on tv a Handfull of times in 1987. I didnt even get into ppvs.
Trips staying fresh and carrying the E, along with the Rock and Foley in 2000 while Austin was out says something for him. And Trips being the only heal out of the three makes him worthy of being more valuable at that time then Hogan was at his time.I truly believe Piper could have done Hogans job in 87 as well as Hogan did.
- The correct response
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Post by romafan87 on Jan 7, 2007 14:32:34 GMT -5
^ Ian, your a moron if you think Trips is a bad performer. Yes Hogan was great, but Trips was THE champion during the E's biggest boom in years. That speaks for something. What Trips did was harder as well because he was being featured on tv MUCH more then Hogan due to having two weekly(at least) shows compared to Hogan being on tv a Handfull of times in 1987. I didnt even get into ppvs. Trips staying fresh and carrying the E, along with the Rock and Foley in 2000 while Austin was out says something for him. And Trips being the only heal out of the three makes him worthy of being more valuable at that time then Hogan was at his time.I truly believe Piper could have done Hogans job in 87 as well as Hogan did. - The correct response Excuse me? Moron? Listen, buddy. I didn't attack you; you can keep your petty attacks out of this. To your TV arguments, Hogan was selling out two shows a day, a matinee and an evening show in two different cities at least twice a week, three times a week on weeks where there were holidays. That takes more than keeping ratings up, which Hogan STILL did. The 15.2 is a record for wrestling that will never, EVER be broken, even if they took all of the cable stations away and relied soley on network broadcasts. Hogan could sell on syndication just by giving a two minute interview on why he was considering fighting the Macho Man; I'd like to see Triple H do this. Plus, Hogan's opponents that he sold out arenas with generally were stiff oddities that Vince thought would draw money. While we know now that King Kong Bundy has a tremendous peronsality, especially after appearances post WWE on Married, With Children, his draw while in the WWF was that he was a big dude who could dismantle someone. An even better example, Hogan sold out arena after arena in 1986 feuding with HERCULES HERNANDEZ. I ask anyone in the world to try and duplicate this feat. Triple H could not have sold out ANY arena on his and Hercules' best day. There is a reason that after WWE had "conquered" WCW in the ratings wars, by the end of 1999, WWE had no chance of losing, they began losing viewers. I'm not saying it was entirely Triple H's fault that people became disinterested as wrestling as a fad, but it speaks volumes to the fact that millions, yes MILLIONS, of viewers left by the time his time at the top in 2000 had run its course and WCW was officially dead. -Ian
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Jan 7, 2007 14:39:08 GMT -5
To me:
They both sucked.
They both still suck.
But Hogan became an Icon and a household name, Hunter never was as charismatic and the number of World Titles he held is BY FAR too high. With him and Steph in power wrestling will never ever be as popular as it was. However, to me that is a good thing since today's WWE just does not deserve any mainstream fame.
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Post by MetalGearDizzle on Jan 7, 2007 15:34:48 GMT -5
^ Ian, your a moron if you think Trips is a bad performer. Yes Hogan was great, but Trips was THE champion during the E's biggest boom in years. That speaks for something. What Trips did was harder as well because he was being featured on tv MUCH more then Hogan due to having two weekly(at least) shows compared to Hogan being on tv a Handfull of times in 1987. I didnt even get into ppvs. Trips staying fresh and carrying the E, along with the Rock and Foley in 2000 while Austin was out says something for him. And Trips being the only heal out of the three makes him worthy of being more valuable at that time then Hogan was at his time.I truly believe Piper could have done Hogans job in 87 as well as Hogan did. - The correct response Excuse me? Moron? Listen, buddy. I didn't attack you; you can keep your petty attacks out of this. To your TV arguments, Hogan was selling out two shows a day, a matinee and an evening show in two different cities at least twice a week, three times a week on weeks where there were holidays. That takes more than keeping ratings up, which Hogan STILL did. The 15.2 is a record for wrestling that will never, EVER be broken, even if they took all of the cable stations away and relied soley on network broadcasts. Hogan could sell on syndication just by giving a two minute interview on why he was considering fighting the Macho Man; I'd like to see Triple H do this. Plus, Hogan's opponents that he sold out arenas with generally were stiff oddities that Vince thought would draw money. While we know now that King Kong Bundy has a tremendous peronsality, especially after appearances post WWE on Married, With Children, his draw while in the WWF was that he was a big dude who could dismantle someone. An even better example, Hogan sold out arena after arena in 1986 feuding with HERCULES HERNANDEZ. I ask anyone in the world to try and duplicate this feat. Triple H could not have sold out ANY arena on his and Hercules' best day. There is a reason that after WWE had "conquered" WCW in the ratings wars, by the end of 1999, WWE had no chance of losing, they began losing viewers. I'm not saying it was entirely Triple H's fault that people became disinterested as wrestling as a fad, but it speaks volumes to the fact that millions, yes MILLIONS, of viewers left by the time his time at the top in 2000 had run its course and WCW was officially dead. -Ian Yeah basically what Ian said. Hogan circa 1987 was the f***ing man and the reason people still to this day love Hulk Hogan.
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Post by The Boss on Jan 7, 2007 15:49:18 GMT -5
HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN all the way. HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN dominated the sport of pro wrestling like no one before or since. And he didn't have to date/marry his boss' daughter to get his push like Hunter Hearst Helmsley did.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jan 7, 2007 15:50:05 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan cut the better promos and headlined Wrestlemania III. HHH circa 2000 promos (or anytime, really) >>>> "WELL Y'KNOW MEAN GENE, BLAH BLAH BLAH, TRUMP TOWERS, ETC ETC ETC, SAYIN THE VITAMINS AND TAKIN THE PRAYERS, DADADADADA, THANK GOD DONALD TRUMP IS A HULKAMANIAC!"
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Post by The Boss on Jan 7, 2007 15:53:56 GMT -5
Trips. He can put on a good match, at least. Every Hogan match is boring. I must disagree with you there. Everytime HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN wrestles the excitement felt in the arena is immessurable. The aura of HULKAMANIA is something that noone has been able to re-create, or explain for that matter. But it exists. With so much excitement it is immpossible to call his matches boring.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Jan 7, 2007 16:01:16 GMT -5
I must disagree with you there. Everytime HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN wrestles the excitement felt in the arena is immessurable. The aura of HULKAMANIA is something that noone has been able to re-create, or explain for that matter. But it exists. With so much excitement it is immpossible to call his matches boring. QFT I didnt even like Hogan back in 1987, but he's still the greatest thing to happen in the history of sports entertainment (note that I did not say wrestling)
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Post by RoloSolo IV on Jan 7, 2007 16:07:17 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan cut the better promos and headlined Wrestlemania III. HHH circa 2000 promos (or anytime, really) >>>> "WELL Y'KNOW MEAN GENE, BLAH BLAH BLAH, TRUMP TOWERS, ETC ETC ETC, SAYIN THE VITAMINS AND TAKIN THE PRAYERS, DADADADADA, THANK GOD DONALD TRUMP IS A HULKAMANIAC!" Typical Triple H 2000 Promo : IM THE GAME. ROCK 2 WEEKS FROM NOW AT BACKLASH YOUR GONNA FEEL THE WRATH .............. (15 Minutes later) ................ ME AND STEPHANIE MCMAHON WILL RULE THE WWF.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jan 7, 2007 16:09:27 GMT -5
And yet it's still leaps and bounds ahead.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 7, 2007 16:32:16 GMT -5
^ Ian, your a moron if you think Trips is a bad performer. Yes Hogan was great, but Trips was THE champion during the E's biggest boom in years. That speaks for something. What Trips did was harder as well because he was being featured on tv MUCH more then Hogan due to having two weekly(at least) shows compared to Hogan being on tv a Handfull of times in 1987. I didnt even get into ppvs. I'm sorry, you're saying Triple H had a harder situation? In 2000, the WWF had FIVE hours of original TV every week (Raw, SD, Heat). They had 12 PPV's a year. They had dramatically more modern technology (internet, PPV's, more marketing capabilities, etc). In 1987, how many hours of TV did the WWF have per week? 1? 2? A SNME once every 2-3 months? Not to mention back then they weren't selling PPV's, they were selling house shows, usually multiple shows per day. They also didn't have anywhere near the marketing ability to market their product and merchandise as they did in 2000. Hogan had it easier? Are you kidding? Hogan MADE all those things happen. Where would the PPV market be without Hogan's name headlining the shows in the late-80's? Where would Raw be without SNME breaking ratings records when Hogan was the featured performer? Where would the merchandise machine be without Hogan's face being plastered on every merchandise idea Vince McMahon had? Hogan was there in the BEGINNING of wrestling's pop culture acceptance. He started the damn thing. Everything that came after him had it MUCH easier, because wrestling had a bigger platform to work with after Hogan's prime. I realize some of you probably weren't even fetus' in 1987, much less wrestling fans, but you have to take historical context into account here.
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Post by King Fox -1017 Bricksquad on Jan 7, 2007 16:33:26 GMT -5
Hogan. Way to easy. Trips in 2000 was F-ing horrible IMO. The McMahon-Helmsly era? Give me a break. I mean c'mon are you serious?! Hogan in 1987?! This guy can sell out Wrestlmania on his name alone in '87. I dont think Wrestlemania 2000 sold out because they knew HHH would be there.
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Post by romafan87 on Jan 7, 2007 19:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 7, 2007 19:30:08 GMT -5
^ Ian, your a moron if you think Trips is a bad performer. Yes Hogan was great, but Trips was THE champion during the E's biggest boom in years. That speaks for something. What Trips did was harder as well because he was being featured on tv MUCH more then Hogan due to having two weekly(at least) shows compared to Hogan being on tv a Handfull of times in 1987. I didnt even get into ppvs. I'm sorry, you're saying Triple H had a harder situation? In 2000, the WWF had FIVE hours of original TV every week (Raw, SD, Heat). They had 12 PPV's a year. They had dramatically more modern technology (internet, PPV's, more marketing capabilities, etc). In 1987, how many hours of TV did the WWF have per week? 1? 2? A SNME once every 2-3 months? Not to mention back then they weren't selling PPV's, they were selling house shows, usually multiple shows per day. They also didn't have anywhere near the marketing ability to market their product and merchandise as they did in 2000. Hogan had it easier? Are you kidding? Hogan MADE all those things happen. Where would the PPV market be without Hogan's name headlining the shows in the late-80's? Where would Raw be without SNME breaking ratings records when Hogan was the featured performer? Where would the merchandise machine be without Hogan's face being plastered on every merchandise idea Vince McMahon had? Hogan was there in the BEGINNING of wrestling's pop culture acceptance. He started the damn thing. Everything that came after him had it MUCH easier, because wrestling had a bigger platform to work with after Hogan's prime. I realize some of you probably weren't even fetus' in 1987, much less wrestling fans, but you have to take historical context into account here. You make my argument. Trips had it much tougher to stay fresh due to all his tv and ppv appearances. And without him as the main heal, The Rock would have never been able to excel during 2000 because he prolly would have had to be the heel in facing Foley since Austin was out. Hogan Was rarely on tv and, yes his house show stuff was impressive but he never had to go thru the overexposed period that Trips did. The 15.2 ratings was out of what? Like 6 channels? Give me a break
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