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Post by Big BosskMan on Jan 4, 2007 16:06:18 GMT -5
The term you're referencing (and an OK job of doing it phonetically) is:
je ne sais quoi - meaning something that cannot be adequately described or expressed.
That's the English major in me coming out.
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Post by Brock The Octopus on Jan 4, 2007 16:11:52 GMT -5
yeah just basically went to google and used their spelling, but now i know how to spell it, which is nice.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 4, 2007 16:41:24 GMT -5
I agree with some of you on Jericho, I just don't think he ever had "it". To me, he is the Ben Gordon of professional wrestling. He is great guy to be coming off the proverbial bench as an upper mid carder and a guy who can carry the belt if necessary. I think it was the fact that he could never be taken seriously on the mic because he was always cracking jokes. Now the Rock did that but it always was done with intensity and the Rock was always getting to a certain point with the jokes, not just throwing them in there for the sake of a quick laugh. Don't get me wrong, I think Jericho is great, but I just can't take him seriously for a title holder, and maybe that's because his first run was so bad.
Guys who I think have/had it are Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Foley, Piper, Warrior, Goldberg, Andre, and Sammartino Guys who were close: Guerrero, Cena, HBK, HHH, Steamboat, Savage, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Undertaker, and AA. Guys who had everything but "it": Owen Hart, Jericho, Malenko, Regal, Fit Finlay, Booker T, and many other guys who were good wrestlers and on the mic.
I feel like I need to explain my choice of Warrior having "it". He is a guy who is like the first generation of Goldberg. He was the guy who just destroyed his opponent, got the crowd excited, and had promos that even though no one understood what he was saying, they all loved them. The Undertaker in my opinion doesn't have "it" because no one could identify with his character when he first broke in, as he was a "dead" wrestler. He only gets the reactions now because of his career and the respect for him. He is beloved but if the crowd can't identify with your character, than you don't have "it". He does have the greatest gimmick of all time though.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 4, 2007 17:13:00 GMT -5
"It" is backstage influence these days. Because in the traditional sense, Christian certianly had "it" but yet he was never used to his potential.
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Post by heffer111 on Jan 4, 2007 17:51:02 GMT -5
Meh, I don't think christian had it. I feel so weird just saying "it"
so
WHO BETTA THAN KANYON?
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Post by bigHEADinc on Jan 4, 2007 17:57:18 GMT -5
The Undertaker in my opinion doesn't have "it" because no one could identify with his character when he first broke in, as he was a "dead" wrestler. He only gets the reactions now because of his career and the respect for him. He is beloved but if the crowd can't identify with your character, than you don't have "it". He does have the greatest gimmick of all time though. I agreed with most of what you said, except for this... The Undertaker proved he had "It" during the Pre-Attitude era... Like Kane, Big Show, and Andre (Who all have "It") he has "It" in the sideshow sense. He might not always be in the main event, but you can guarantee that as soon as Taker's (Or Kane or Big Show) music hits, the crowd goes absolutely wild.
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Post by American Nightmare on Jan 4, 2007 19:20:43 GMT -5
i think Christian was the epitome of "it" in the WWE. He put in his work, and developed a character that was his own and himself. The fans loved to hate him. It was kinda like the Rock, who was so cool you wanted to be like him. Christian was exactly like that (though not on the level of the Rock)
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 4, 2007 20:46:45 GMT -5
"It" can be summed up easily:
It's called having a "presence." From Kobashi to Hogan to Benoit to Warrior to Danielson to Flair to Taker to Foley to Rock to Thesz to Cena to Race to Misawa, they all have that ring presence. They look like they belong in a wrestling ring. They look comfortable inside of a wrestling ring.
In short, Khali does not have that "it" factor that I just spelled out.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 4, 2007 20:53:19 GMT -5
I think Rob Conway is a good example of a guy that lacks that 'it' factor we're talking about.
He's really good in the ring, seriously. All of his moves are crisp and impactful. He's good on the microphone and comes across as a legitimately cocky sonofagun, not just a guy playing a role. In fact, he's so full of himself that it's totally over the top in hilarious fashion, right down to wearing sunglasses during a match and coming out to terrible piano music extolling his virtues. I think he's tremendous.
Yet, I can't see him as The Man. As a guy much higher up than where he is, yes, no question. But I realize that he would never have a following like Cena or HHH or any of the other guys on the top of the heap.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 6, 2007 10:17:52 GMT -5
There are also alot of excuses as to why a wrestler dosen't make it as well as does. The one thing that we need to put into consideration is the backstage personality. Do they ask alot of questions, or act like they know enough already? Do they show up for in ring workouts on time, or early? Do they party after the show, or go to the hotel and watch the episode to see what it was like? Do they show initiative, or do they have to be told every time? Do they express ideas, or do they wait? Are their Ideas good or bad?
There is alot that we don't know concerning the "It" factor in pro wrestling.
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Post by careless on Jan 6, 2007 10:23:57 GMT -5
There are also alot of excuses as to why a wrestler dosen't make it as well as does. The one thing that we need to put into consideration is the backstage personality. Do they ask alot of questions, or act like they know enough already? Do they show up for in ring workouts on time, or early? Do they party after the show, or go to the hotel and watch the episode to see what it was like? Do they show initiative, or do they have to be told every time? Do they express ideas, or do they wait? Are their Ideas good or bad? There is alot that we don't know concerning the "It" factor in pro wrestling. I agree. We see what a guy does in the ring and can maybe gleam a little of who they really are out of their character but there's so much we can't see. Who knows what kind of circus these people deal with backstage. It's obvious when someone straight up doesn't have "it". But when two guys sorta have it and one is signed and one fired, why? Or rather, when someone is kept on with less ability than someone that was wished well in their future endeavors, what lead to that? I wish I knew.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 6, 2007 10:34:27 GMT -5
I think THEIR notion of "it" and ours are two different things. We look at guys and judge their overness and success by how they do: do they wrestle well, do they give good promos, are their characters believable from a pro-wrestling standpoint, how crazy does the crowd go. Inside the industry, they have another set of standards. Or rather, one.
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They don't care for a lot of what we have to say because in their eyes, if they're pulling in Hogan-esque numbers in box office and merchandise receipts, they've got IT. Which is part of It, but not all of It, IMO.
I think, f'rinstance, that Chris Jericho TOTALLY had It. Had it in heaping bucketloads. But he never got the chance to really prove that he had It.
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Post by manx21 on Jan 6, 2007 10:53:31 GMT -5
i also totally agree that jericho had "it". he looked like a champion to me
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 6, 2007 10:56:27 GMT -5
"It" can be summed up easily: It's called having a "presence." From Kobashi to Hogan to Benoit to Warrior to Danielson to Flair to Taker to Foley to Rock to Thesz to Cena to Race to Misawa, they all have that ring presence. They look like they belong in a wrestling ring. They look comfortable inside of a wrestling ring. In short, Khali does not have that "it" factor that I just spelled out. That may be your opinion, but my opinion is that The Great Khali does indeed have that "It" factor.
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Post by STMP on Jan 6, 2007 11:12:52 GMT -5
I think THEIR notion of "it" and ours are two different things. We look at guys and judge their overness and success by how they do: do they wrestle well, do they give good promos, are their characters believable from a pro-wrestling standpoint, how crazy does the crowd go. Inside the industry, they have another set of standards. Or rather, one. $$$ They don't care for a lot of what we have to say because in their eyes, if they're pulling in Hogan-esque numbers in box office and merchandise receipts, they've got IT. Which is part of It, but not all of It, IMO. I think, f'rinstance, that Chris Jericho TOTALLY had It. Had it in heaping bucketloads. But he never got the chance to really prove that he had It. But how do you recognize 'it' then before someone makes money? Hogan made a lot of money, but Sterling Golden certainly didn't and neither did Terry Boulder. Yet there came a time when Hogan became Hulk, was pushed, got over, made a lot of money and would have the 'it'-factor based on moneymaking. Every wrestler wants to be that guy who makes money, every promoter wants to book that guy that makes money. But you can't just stick everyone in the main event, hoping to sell. That is why to me the most logical explanation for having 'it' is standing out. Hogan stood out, no doubt about it. It was everything about him. Just imagine Hogan without a mustache or a head full of hair. It just wouldn't be right. Hogan's skullet, the mustache, the ripping of the shirt, the yellow and red colours, the entrance theme, the charisma, the insane promos, saying 'brother', the muscles, the bandana. Every little detail made Hogan into a superstar. Because nobody else had those things. That is why CM Punk can make a big impact. Because he stands out in the WWE. There is nobody that looks like him, so fans will look at him and recognize him the next time. That is important to get a fan following. And I also think it's one of the reasons Lance Cade has never been able to get over. He is just so extremely bland and goes up in the background. When he redebuted with Murdoch, everybody was talking about Murdoch, because he stood out. And that is where it all starts with.
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