Maria= Angry and not dumb anymore?

[Brain Of F'n J]

godz said:

lackingintaste said:

now that's just not true. there are about 101 uses for maria i can think of.

Mainly firing her and freeing up more time for Vickie and Mickie.

They haven't gotten a Playboy layout from her yet. Once they squeeze that particular blood from the stone, SEE YA!

Jed Shaffer
~See ya NAKED, that is. ;D

[MGH]

godz said:

mygreatesthour said:

SHHHHHH, we're trying to let this fad DIE ;D

My fault....thats what happens when you book me, IM NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BOOKED.



.....oh bugger I did it again didnt I?

Damn you Godz, you politicing SOB. You wouldn't put over that chicken, but you keep putting over these old timers like Stamp and Lugar. Have you no love for this business?!?

I know this is true, rajah.com said so!

[BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED!]

Maria was one of the best parts on Raw last night. Her wrestling gear was Backlund approved too

[mysterydriver]

godz said:

lackingintaste said:

now that's just not true. there are about 101 uses for maria i can think of.

Mainly firing her and freeing up more time for Vickie and Mickie.

Right...

Vickie and Mickie cannot carry the Woman's Division by their selves. Mainly because they are overrated. Somewhat because they are overrated.

Having a semi-decent match means nothing when neither one can talk without looking stupid.

The backstage segment between Maria and Melina was lightyears better than any segment with Mickie and Victoria. Don't bring up the Trish Strauts/Mickie feud. Mickie had a good female wrestler to work with instead of a "fair" one.

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mysterydriver said:

godz said:

Mainly firing her and freeing up more time for Vickie and Mickie.

Right...

Vickie and Mickie cannot carry the Woman's Division by their selves. Mainly because they are overrated. Somewhat because they are overrated.

Having a semi-decent match means nothing when neither one can talk without looking stupid.

The backstage segment between Maria and Melina was lightyears better than any segment with Mickie and Victoria. Don't bring up the Trish Strauts/Mickie feud. Mickie had a good female wrestler to work with instead of a "fair" one.

That doesn't really determine ability. Why is it when we have matches like Mickie/Melina, Mickie/Victoria, etc, the match ends up being at least halfway decent? But when you have matches like Victoria vs Maria or Melina vs Maria, the match comes off as awkward at best? The combination of workers. When one is decent, and the other is decent, the match WILL be good. Trish and Mickie were both quite good. But pairing an insufficient worker with a decent one WILL bring the quality down.

[seanwalsh]

barneybhb said:

Maria is useless.

lackingintaste said:

now that's just not true. there are about 101 uses for maria i can think of.

And CM Punk can confirm every single one of them.

And more.

Lucky b*stard.

[mysterydriver]

mightykretzler said:

mysterydriver said:

Right...

Vickie and Mickie cannot carry the Woman's Division by their selves. Mainly because they are overrated. Somewhat because they are overrated.

Having a semi-decent match means nothing when neither one can talk without looking stupid.

The backstage segment between Maria and Melina was lightyears better than any segment with Mickie and Victoria. Don't bring up the Trish Strauts/Mickie feud. Mickie had a good female wrestler to work with instead of a "fair" one.

That doesn't really determine ability. Why is it when we have matches like Mickie/Melina, Mickie/Victoria, etc, the match ends up being at least halfway decent? But when you have matches like Victoria vs Maria or Melina vs Maria, the match comes off as awkward at best? The combination of workers. When one is decent, and the other is decent, the match WILL be good. Trish and Mickie were both quite good. But pairing an insufficient worker with a decent one WILL bring the quality down.

I am not questioning wrestling ability. Victoria is obviously a better wrestler than Maria.

I am saying that Victoria and Mickie are not good in segments. Victoria sounded lost last night. A few weeks back, Mickie tired hard, but sounded dumb "Some call me psycho, but that ----- is crazy!" She might as well said "Finlay, you say you like to fight, well I say...you're a bastard."

The Maria/Melina backstage segment was good and led in to the match which wasn't. Although they did try and had some good parts of the match. They just screwed up the pin. Melina should have adlibbed a quick move for a pin, but the match was just there to give Victoria a reason to talk about "Why" she was snapping and to set up the Lillian attack.

Victoria SUCKED at explaining her reasoning. Complaining about being at Wrestlemania, but not wrestling at Wrestlemania? Okay, I guess Val Venis should snap and start attacking other mid-carders?

The Lillian twist was good though.

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mysterydriver said:

mightykretzler said:

That doesn't really determine ability. Why is it when we have matches like Mickie/Melina, Mickie/Victoria, etc, the match ends up being at least halfway decent? But when you have matches like Victoria vs Maria or Melina vs Maria, the match comes off as awkward at best? The combination of workers. When one is decent, and the other is decent, the match WILL be good. Trish and Mickie were both quite good. But pairing an insufficient worker with a decent one WILL bring the quality down.

I am not questioning wrestling ability. Victoria is obviously a better wrestler than Maria.

I am saying that Victoria and Mickie are not good in segments. Victoria sounded lost last night. A few weeks back, Mickie tired hard, but sounded dumb "Some call me psycho, but that ----- is crazy!" She might as well said "Finlay, you say you like to fight, well I say...you're a bastard."

The Maria/Melina backstage segment was good and led in to the match which wasn't. Although they did try and had some good parts of the match. They just screwed up the pin. Melina should have adlibbed a quick move for a pin, but the match was just there to give Victoria a reason to talk about "Why" she was snapping and to set up the Lillian attack.

Victoria SUCKED at explaining her reasoning. Complaining about being at Wrestlemania, but not wrestling at Wrestlemania? Okay, I guess Val Venis should snap and start attacking other mid-carders?

The Lillian twist was good though.

I see what you mean. The way the it was executed WAS clumsy. I thought you were also referring to match quality, as well.

[samachine]

mysterydriver said:

godz said:

Mainly firing her and freeing up more time for Vickie and Mickie.

Right...

Vickie and Mickie cannot carry the Woman's Division by their selves. Mainly because they are overrated. Somewhat because they are overrated.

Having a semi-decent match means nothing when neither one can talk without looking stupid.

The backstage segment between Maria and Melina was lightyears better than any segment with Mickie and Victoria. Don't bring up the Trish Strauts/Mickie feud. Mickie had a good female wrestler to work with instead of a "fair" one.

You.. you think Mickie and Victoria are more overrated than Maria? I mean, don't get me wrong, I find Victoria someone who should be fired considering all the injuries she's caused, but I don't think she's worse than Maria. I mean, you want to talk about overrated, just because guys think she's cute she's somehow decent in the ring. No she's not, I'll put it this way, ASHLEY is better than her, that's right, the tranny is better in the ring than Maria, Maria ist just awful and makes no oppurtunity to improve. Hell even Candice is getting better, not only that but Maria's 'interview' skills are so bland and overdone, wow, I can make deer in headlight features too, can I get a job Vince?

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

I will say that i think Victoria and Mickie are the two best women wrestlers on Raw right now, but I will never say that either one is perfect. NOBODY is perfect. Victoria was never all that great on the mic, and she was always like the diva who did her talking in the ring. I think that Mickie is great on the mic (with the exception of the "Victoria's a bi-otch" comment which admittedly was pretty bad. If I had to put money on it though, I'd say that the WWE writers scripted that line for her since they have basically all but killed the character that Mickie used to have that so many people fell in love with)

[Hulkshi Tanahashi]

mysterydriver said:

mightykretzler said:

That doesn't really determine ability. Why is it when we have matches like Mickie/Melina, Mickie/Victoria, etc, the match ends up being at least halfway decent? But when you have matches like Victoria vs Maria or Melina vs Maria, the match comes off as awkward at best? The combination of workers. When one is decent, and the other is decent, the match WILL be good. Trish and Mickie were both quite good. But pairing an insufficient worker with a decent one WILL bring the quality down.

I am not questioning wrestling ability. Victoria is obviously a better wrestler than Maria.

I am saying that Victoria and Mickie are not good in segments. Victoria sounded lost last night. A few weeks back, Mickie tired hard, but sounded dumb "Some call me psycho, but that ----- is crazy!" She might as well said "Finlay, you say you like to fight, well I say...you're a bastard."

The Maria/Melina backstage segment was good and led in to the match which wasn't. Although they did try and had some good parts of the match. They just screwed up the pin. Melina should have adlibbed a quick move for a pin, but the match was just there to give Victoria a reason to talk about "Why" she was snapping and to set up the Lillian attack.

Victoria SUCKED at explaining her reasoning. Complaining about being at Wrestlemania, but not wrestling at Wrestlemania? Okay, I guess Val Venis should snap and start attacking other mid-carders?

The Lillian twist was good though.

I would mark out if Val Venis snapped and started attacking mid-carders.

Plus, I think Victoria's reasons for snapping are logical. I mean, she didn't wrestle at WrestleMania, but Candice and Torrie did, in horrible match that was advertised as a pillow fight but didn't have any pillows used in it.

[samachine]

hulk6785 said:

mysterydriver said:

I am not questioning wrestling ability. Victoria is obviously a better wrestler than Maria.

I am saying that Victoria and Mickie are not good in segments. Victoria sounded lost last night. A few weeks back, Mickie tired hard, but sounded dumb "Some call me psycho, but that ----- is crazy!" She might as well said "Finlay, you say you like to fight, well I say...you're a bastard."

The Maria/Melina backstage segment was good and led in to the match which wasn't. Although they did try and had some good parts of the match. They just screwed up the pin. Melina should have adlibbed a quick move for a pin, but the match was just there to give Victoria a reason to talk about "Why" she was snapping and to set up the Lillian attack.

Victoria SUCKED at explaining her reasoning. Complaining about being at Wrestlemania, but not wrestling at Wrestlemania? Okay, I guess Val Venis should snap and start attacking other mid-carders?

The Lillian twist was good though.

I would mark out if Val Venis snapped and started attacking mid-carders.

Plus, I think Victoria's reasons for snapping are logical. I mean, she didn't wrestle at WrestleMania, but Candice and Torrie did, in horrible match that was advertised as a pillow fight but didn't have any pillows used in it.

I don't think Victoria can whine about that when MNM didnt get to

[Hulkshi Tanahashi]

samachine said:

hulk6785 said:

I would mark out if Val Venis snapped and started attacking mid-carders.

Plus, I think Victoria's reasons for snapping are logical. I mean, she didn't wrestle at WrestleMania, but Candice and Torrie did, in horrible match that was advertised as a pillow fight but didn't have any pillows used in it.

I don't think Victoria can whine about that when MNM didnt get to

Well, they did wrestle at WM 22. Though it was that battle royal filmed for the DVD, but still they were there wrestling.

[Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D.]

Her best role was during tha trail of easy e, that was some funny crap when they thought she be stupid and then gave the big speech

[mysterydriver]

samachine said:

mysterydriver said:

Right...

Vickie and Mickie cannot carry the Woman's Division by their selves. Mainly because they are overrated. Somewhat because they are overrated.

Having a semi-decent match means nothing when neither one can talk without looking stupid.

The backstage segment between Maria and Melina was lightyears better than any segment with Mickie and Victoria. Don't bring up the Trish Strauts/Mickie feud. Mickie had a good female wrestler to work with instead of a "fair" one.

You.. you think Mickie and Victoria are more overrated than Maria? I mean, don't get me wrong, I find Victoria someone who should be fired considering all the injuries she's caused, but I don't think she's worse than Maria. I mean, you want to talk about overrated, just because guys think she's cute she's somehow decent in the ring. No she's not, I'll put it this way, ASHLEY is better than her, that's right, the tranny is better in the ring than Maria, Maria ist just awful and makes no oppurtunity to improve. Hell even Candice is getting better, not only that but Maria's 'interview' skills are so bland and overdone, wow, I can make deer in headlight features too, can I get a job Vince?

Mickie and Victoria are overrated in the fact that some people feel that they are the saviors of the Woman's Division and great workers. They are good, but Victoria is getting sloppy and Mickie is nothing like she was before the WWE. Also, it is hard to carry a division if you can't speak coherently for a minute or two.

Now, for a comparision to Maria. What is expected of her? Interviews with slight comic relief, along with decent to dreadful matches. She normally meets expectations and occasionally can excel a little past them. She may not be great, but she isn't overrated.

Also...why does everyone call Ashley a trannie? Is that the "hip" thing? I could never keep up with fads...