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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 11, 2007 7:50:53 GMT -5
The Orton line was tasteless, but it's not enough to make the entire "angle" tasteless. Saying that Ray and Chavo using Eddie's name to get over is null and void because it's not disrespecting Eddie. It's remembering his name. Why can't they dedicate their matches to him? That makes it tasteless? Does that mean all Emmy speeches are tasteless because they "use" people who inspired them to "get over". Grow up. The Eddie thing wasn't that bad. They should have just let him be, but in all honesty it's not as tasteless as Bossman grinding up Al Snow's dog and feeding it to him, or having Ed Ferrara pretend to have Bells Palsy.
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Post by Matt Rogers on Jun 11, 2007 7:53:59 GMT -5
Because it was the cheapest kind of heat ever by using someone the majority of the audience genuinely liked and respected in order to make guys like Orton seem like a bigger heel. His widow turning heel and becoming the baddie by teaming with his nephew is hardly "remembering" him.
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Post by odor31 on Jun 11, 2007 7:54:29 GMT -5
Because it went on too long, ... "enough already"
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jun 11, 2007 7:58:40 GMT -5
You have your opinion and that's fine, but I thought it was really bad.
The dedications got super annoying after the first/second time to me, then Orton destroying Eddie's limo, saying he's in hell, Rey winning the Rumble saying "you got me Eddie" when he drew #1, was so hokey and corny,IMO.
And I'd say the difference with that and the Snow/Pepper/Bossman angle was that Eddie Guerrero was actually dead, it's not like Eddie was in another promotion or something. Just let the guy rest in peace, and it seems they have now finally.
If it were one time, I'd probably not mind so much, but they ran that thing into the ground last year, IMO and glad it's over with as it seemed endless.
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Post by Loki on Jun 11, 2007 8:01:01 GMT -5
Using FAKE deaths and FAKE cruelty in a storyline may be tasteless, but it's still FAKE.
Using an ACTUALLY dead superstar to put over other guys, playing the sympathy card is the lowest of the low.
The fact we loved Eddie shouldn't have played a role in Rey's push as World Champion, in Chavo and Vicki's push, in Orton getting cheap heat with cheap remarks. Eddie Guerrero, THE MAN, had died, and he shouldn't have been part of a scripted storyline.
The line between real and fake has been crossed in that angle and I didn't like that one bit.
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Post by algertman on Jun 11, 2007 8:03:28 GMT -5
if you have to ask.....
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 11, 2007 8:40:14 GMT -5
Like odor31 and Hiroshi said, mainly because it went on way too long. I mean, we wouldn' t have cared if they referred to him during one or two episodes of RAW/SmackDown, but for ONE ENTIRE F***ING YEAR ??
I mean, at the beginning, it seemed to be honest, but when it went on and on, it really looked like a cheap way to raise the ratings in the "good" ol' "controversy makes money" way.
I do believe that Rey, Chavo and Emmy really thought they were paying him tribute, and hell maybe even Vince and the WWE bookers were honest about it but... after a time, it was really sick. Did we really need Orton crashing Eddie' s lowrider ? Did we need to hear him say Eddie was in hell ? Did it need to be one of the main storylines of 2006 ? I don' t think so...
I could have remembered Eddie without all that.
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Post by JMA on Jun 11, 2007 9:04:09 GMT -5
WWE exploited the death of someone who helped the company and was loved by the fans. That's what was wrong with it. Nothing more needs to be said.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jun 11, 2007 9:37:26 GMT -5
If it was a 1 or 2 month angle, then it wouldn't have been that big a deal. It could have been passed off as more of an "angle of circumstance" -- a case where a storyline opportunity based on real life events popped up, and WWE wanted to take advantage and help do a story based on reality. Fine, I can see that. But having it go on for almost a year or however long it was made it move well beyond an angle of circumstance and turned it into exploitation. And that is why so many people -- including the guy who started the entire Wrestlecrap site and inducted it as worst angle of the year -- were offended by it.
On a side note, there's no need to be all confrontational and tell us all to grow up.
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Post by texaswhopper on Jun 11, 2007 10:06:54 GMT -5
Randy Orton: Eddie Guerrero is in hell!
Thats one part that was bad right there.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jun 11, 2007 10:15:48 GMT -5
Because you don't take advantage of a dead man. That's what it was. A tribute show is one thing, but they used the actual death of a man to get people over. And having Chavo and Vickie turn heel? That was beyond the pale.
If you were going to compare it to something, I'd compare it more with the Bossman/Big Show father angle, but even then it wasn't as bad.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jun 11, 2007 10:46:09 GMT -5
Here's another one:
Because WWE is a giant company often written by non-wrestlers. Orton's line probably wasn't something he just said - it was all a stunt staged and scripted by others, and the fact that it happened on WWE TV means there was a corporate acceptance of this exploitation.
In regards to dedicating matches, I don't have a huge problem with that. But again, it's a big company constantly doing it and making a big deal about it. I'd accept 2 wrestlers at an indy show dedicating their match to Eddie more than 2 WWE employees (friends of Eddie or not) doing the same thing.
The giant WWE banner was what made Eddiespoitation WrestleCrap.
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