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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 16, 2007 15:28:29 GMT -5
Here's a new angle: With all the legit concerns about national security can even a joking reference to being a "federal investigator" be allowed? I espect the real government to put a stop to that kind of broadcast in a hurry. I agree, And all political Parodies should stop too. All movies with cops and FBI should stop. All strippers with FBI and Police gimmicks should stop.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Jun 16, 2007 19:40:00 GMT -5
Obv. this is the only way to save the angle.
It turns into a Who dun it? and after some Steve Austin hit and run stuff, they find out who. That person comes out and cuts a promo (I did it for da Rock). Everyone gasps, then Vince's music plays. He cuts a promo about how he knew something was up, and left out of the limo on the other side away from the camera and ran off, then laid low for weeks untill he could find out who did it. He then says he admires the effort, and won't call police/fire them etc (it's WWE, so this is a logical enough legal explaination), but he will also make their life Hell for it. Cue Vince/car bomber fued.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2007 19:46:53 GMT -5
Obv. this is the only way to save the angle. It turns into a Who dun it? and after some Steve Austin hit and run stuff, they find out who. That person comes out and cuts a promo (I did it for da Rock). Everyone gasps, then Vince's music plays. He cuts a promo about how he knew something was up, and left out of the limo on the other side away from the camera and ran off, then laid low for weeks untill he could find out who did it. He then says he admires the effort, and won't call police/fire them etc (it's WWE, so this is a logical enough legal explaination), but he will also make their life Hell for it. Cue Vince/car bomber fued. That wouldn't work as the limo exploded as soon as Vince shut the door. In kayfabe, he wouldn't have time to get out the other side.
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Jun 16, 2007 19:55:55 GMT -5
Obv. this is the only way to save the angle. It turns into a Who dun it? and after some Steve Austin hit and run stuff, they find out who. That person comes out and cuts a promo (I did it for da Rock). Everyone gasps, then Vince's music plays. He cuts a promo about how he knew something was up, and left out of the limo on the other side away from the camera and ran off, then laid low for weeks untill he could find out who did it. He then says he admires the effort, and won't call police/fire them etc (it's WWE, so this is a logical enough legal explaination), but he will also make their life Hell for it. Cue Vince/car bomber fued. That wouldn't work as the limo exploded as soon as Vince shut the door. In kayfabe, he wouldn't have time to get out the other side. WWE logic will obv. rewrite that part. Or Vince can come back and pretend nothing ever happened. No sell ftw.
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Post by EmptyEYE DUNNOOOOOOOOO on Jun 16, 2007 22:01:40 GMT -5
Yeah, didn't HHH no-sell death and come back like a week later some time back?
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 16, 2007 23:44:55 GMT -5
I have had 5 people at the bars asked me if Vince was really dead. I told them yes. When Vince eventually reappears, will you go back to the bar and yell "MARKS!!" I dunno why, but I'm watching SD finally, and I'm getting annoyed with the McMahon tributes. Not because of the disrespect to those that have died before, although the case can be made, but because the whole thing is ridiculous. Cole telling stories about McMahon despising broadcast news, the testimonials...they may all be true, but it almost feels like parody now. It's like I'm watching the Onion version of Eddie's memorial shows, for some reason. I also find it funny that most of the people doing the testimonials are heels. Also Masa Chono's Yakuza Kick would kill MVP. Just saying.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Jun 17, 2007 0:55:39 GMT -5
That's the point of the whole thing. No one cares but the heels.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 17, 2007 1:12:39 GMT -5
They're. Not. The. Same. Nobody, not the general public, not even the wrestling viewing public, equates pro wrestling with movies, sitcoms, hospital dramas, or legal thrillers. I mean, we can reason it all we want in our heads, but that's just the reality of the situation, I'm sorry. Actually they are and they do. RAW is a TV show. This is from five years ago... WWE's McMahon Is Clobbered Where It Hurts
30 August 2002 (StudioBriefing)
The board of World Wrestling Entertainment has decided not to pay chairman Vince McMahon his usual $1-million bonus this year.
According to SEC filings reported by today's (Friday) New York Post, the board also rescinded a $750,000 bonus for WWE CEO Linda McMahon, Vince's wife, and a $725,000 bonus for CFO August Liguori.
The Post noted that WWE has suffered a series of financial blows, including tremendous loss of income from pay-per-view telecasts and loss of advertiser income as a result of lower ratings for such TV shows as Smackdown! on UPN and WWE Raw/Raw Zone on TNN.I mean what more do you want? It's a TV show who hires writers with sitcom experience and the job is to get TV ratings. And it's not the same thing? If in the end, the goal of The Real World, CSI, Cops, The Price is Right, RAW, SD etc...is the same thing...to draw good TV ratings, it's the same thing. Stop fooling yourself.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 17, 2007 1:16:37 GMT -5
That's the point of the whole thing. No one cares but the heels. Then why involve the announcers, too? And Teddy Long? Why bring all of the wrestlers out for McMahon's salute? It seems really uneven, and to me, they're making it too obvious that the whole thing is a put-on. The thing that's going to save this, and I think that this will happen, is if on Raw on Monday Cena comes out like he's about to memorialize Vince, and runs him down and calls BS on the whole thing. That could redeem him in the eyes of some people.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 17, 2007 1:34:21 GMT -5
That's the point of the whole thing. No one cares but the heels. ...and to me, they're making it too obvious that the whole thing is a put-on. It's supposed to be obvious it's a put-on. Because it is. Like I said in another post, why do you think the director of the show (TV shows have directors for those people still fooling themselves) makes sure the cameras get nice close shots of the fans booing and laughing? 2 + 2 people...it's not that hard. Anyone who thinks the WWE is trying to pull this off as real is a retard. There I said it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 17, 2007 2:41:51 GMT -5
...and to me, they're making it too obvious that the whole thing is a put-on. It's supposed to be obvious it's a put-on. Because it is. Like I said in another post, why do you think the director of the show (TV shows have directors for those people still fooling themselves) makes sure the cameras get nice close shots of the fans booing and laughing? 2 + 2 people...it's not that hard. Anyone who thinks the WWE is trying to pull this off as real is a retard. There I said it. Yeah, but why shouldn't they try to pull it off as real? Why not put some mystery and drama into it? Some actual suspense. That's what annoys me about the whole thing. It's the same bush league anti-climactic crap that they've been aiming at people for a while now. At least back in the Attitude era, things were fun to watch, and there were more "holy crap, that was pretty cool" moments between ECW, WWF, and WCW than there are today. That's what we're missing today. Even something like the limo blowing up, at one time something that should be making for compelling television, had me laughing for 15 minutes straight. I should have been going "What the hell just happened?!" Instead, I was reacting like I had just seen Eddie Murphy's "Delirious" for the first time again. To quote Lewis Black, That's-Not-RIGHT!! If you like that pablum, hey, good on ya. Honestly, I think you're settling. Me, I'd just once like to see them put some thought into a storyline and have it stick, rather than just going through the motions and coming up with a storyline that has as much weight to it as a reality show twist.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 17, 2007 6:05:21 GMT -5
They're. Not. The. Same. Nobody, not the general public, not even the wrestling viewing public, equates pro wrestling with movies, sitcoms, hospital dramas, or legal thrillers. I mean, we can reason it all we want in our heads, but that's just the reality of the situation, I'm sorry. Actually they are and they do. RAW is a TV show. This is from five years ago... WWE's McMahon Is Clobbered Where It Hurts
30 August 2002 (StudioBriefing)
The board of World Wrestling Entertainment has decided not to pay chairman Vince McMahon his usual $1-million bonus this year.
According to SEC filings reported by today's (Friday) New York Post, the board also rescinded a $750,000 bonus for WWE CEO Linda McMahon, Vince's wife, and a $725,000 bonus for CFO August Liguori.
The Post noted that WWE has suffered a series of financial blows, including tremendous loss of income from pay-per-view telecasts and loss of advertiser income as a result of lower ratings for such TV shows as Smackdown! on UPN and WWE Raw/Raw Zone on TNN.I mean what more do you want? It's a TV show who hires writers with sitcom experience and the job is to get TV ratings. And it's not the same thing? If in the end, the goal of The Real World, CSI, Cops, The Price is Right, RAW, SD etc...is the same thing...to draw good TV ratings, it's the same thing. Stop fooling yourself. I read where that quote came from, and it was about someone dying in a movie, but still being alive in real life. Professional wrestling is completely different from other tv shows. It's still a tv show, but it's still shoot based, and done in front of people. With a television show, it's like a play acted out in front of people. And even in those television shows, if someone unrealistic happens, people will not like it. Take Home Improvement for instance. If Tim Taylor went on Tool Time and started shooting green lasers out of his eyes and killing everyone in the audience, people would be thinking, what the hell is this nonsense. Or even Raven's reference about Gladiator. If the Gladiator went out wearing a rolex, people would think it was stupid because they didn't have rolex's at the time. It's the same with wrestling. If on their television show they have Vince McMahon dead, but on wwe.com they show him doing buisness meetings, or he's shown outside doing that, it takes away from the suspension of disbelief while watching the show. Pro wrestling is shoot based, and is different from other types of television shows. Putting it in the same context with other shows is foolish, because you can't apply everything to every show on television.
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Post by STMP on Jun 17, 2007 7:32:26 GMT -5
I'm already tired of the angle.
First of all, it was badly executed. There are some marks here that love everything with explosions, but come on. Vince's sad expression, the group of wrestlers standing backstage, something was going to happen. The build up to the explosion screamed 'something terrible is going to happen!!!!!' and he got in the limo and it exploded. But with the build up it seems everybody knew, Vince included, that he was going to die.
So with the explosion and the backstage 'goodbye' WWE is saying Vince killed himself (or faked his death) or knew he was going to get killed. And the wrestlers knew it too.
So they smurfed that up.
And now with the tribute on Smackdown, it is really going into the wrong direction. And with Sherri's way too soon, sudden and sad death, this angle is really exposed as in bad taste. Because they are treating it like it is real, instead of keeping kayfabe. All of a sudden we have a ten bell salute with Mark Henry crying. Once again, WWE smurfed up.
This is an angle, so work it like an angle. Have Stephanie and Shane feuding over the WWE. Stone Cold being investigated. Regal and Coachman depressed and trying to find the killer. Funny backstage skits with Patterson and Briscoe who are looking for a new boss to suck up to.
WWE smurfed this up already. They make it look like Vince is really dead and people have compared this with a death in just a tv-show. But WWE has done angles with dead people before and they never acted like it was real. Al Wilson dying was a joke, UT getting killed was over the top, Austin being run over was the start of a new angle. But this time they are breaking kayfabe and that is wrong. In a tv show where a character gets killed, it's part of the story. But when a tv show ends with 'in loving memory...' followed by the actors name and date of birth and death, while he is not dead and just his character. Then it is in bad taste and terribly executed. And that is exactely what WWE is doing.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jun 17, 2007 11:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by avilas on Jun 17, 2007 12:10:26 GMT -5
Points to remember:
(1) WWE realizes that almost everyone knows that wrestling is fake. The percentage of people who do believe that wrestling is real probably also believe that Grey's Anatomy, Passions, and Freddy Krueger are real.
(2) WWE also realizes that almost everyone who watches the show has access to the internet and can easily figure out that the whole thing is a work.
(3) Deaths on TV shows happen all the time. The one redeeming quality is that we all know that the TV show is not real.
(4) It is very easy for anyone to decipher a fake death from a real death. I think everybody can easily figure out that Sherri Martel's death was real and Vince's was fake.
The end.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 17, 2007 12:36:06 GMT -5
Maybe on Aurora Rose's birthday, WWE will send her a mural of Vince's Limo exploding painted by LeRoi Neiman with the words "Enjoy Your Grandfatherless Existence."
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Post by Cactus Jack on Jun 17, 2007 13:34:04 GMT -5
How weird will this angle be to look back on, when Vince actually kicks the bucket?
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Post by ScottHall187 on Jun 17, 2007 13:52:59 GMT -5
Such a sad day for Shane and Steph.......my thoughts and prayers go out to them. ;D
But in all seriousness folks, they better get this to have some sort of entertaining ending. How bout there is a group of people who are obsessed with Vince and that he is dead so they try to resurrect his body. But unfortunately it doesn't go as planned and his spirit ends up going into........wait for it.............EUGENE. Man that would be hilarious. I think I just vomited in my mouth a little after typing that.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 17, 2007 15:12:59 GMT -5
WWE smurfed this up already. They make it look like Vince is really dead and people have compared this with a death in just a tv-show. But WWE has done angles with dead people before and they never acted like it was real. Al Wilson dying was a joke, UT getting killed was over the top, Austin being run over was the start of a new angle. But this time they are breaking kayfabe and that is wrong. In a tv show where a character gets killed, it's part of the story. But when a tv show ends with 'in loving memory...' followed by the actors name and date of birth and death, while he is not dead and just his character. Then it is in bad taste and terribly executed. And that is exactely what WWE is doing. Um... they did have the "real" death card at the start of the show for a week for Al Wilson.....
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Post by Parrish on Jun 17, 2007 15:17:15 GMT -5
all i know is that everyone will be complaining tomorrow night when we have to deal with a whole two hours of the mcmahon family...
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